A number of folks have sent me the Times piece about the Caryl Churchill play on Gaza that the New York Theatre Workshop is thinking of staging, 3 years after it cancelled the Rachel Corrie production and created an uproar. The Royal Court Theater in London is behind the Churchill play too. It has provided a copy of the short play here.
It's called "Seven Jewish Children, a Play for Gaza" and is ten minutes long. The play is in the form of parents talking about what they'll tell their children about various horrors in the last 100 years, from the Holocaust to the Nakba to the '67 War to Gaza. "Tell her her great great great great lots of greats granddad lived there..." a reference to biblical underpinnings for Zionism. And so it describes the arc of the Jewish psyche from victimization to victimizer.
I find it moving. Seems very dramatic, and a wonderful imaginative response to the destruction of 410 children in Gaza--because Israel feels threatened.
Israel's belief that it is threatened by negative world opinion was Benny Morris's explanation for the Gaza slaughter in the pages of the Times at the war's start. Here is that piece: Why Israel Feels Threatened. Israel is feeling delegitimized in the eyes of the world, he says, it feels the door closing. So its response? It goes out and kills hundreds of civilians and destroys most of the schools and industries in Gaza.
And now it's more threatened than ever: Turkey has all but turned on Israel, Europe is outraged, anti-Zionist Jews are getting a toehold in American life, and The New York Theatre Workshop wants to talk about the slaughter as a reflection of the Jewish psyche.
According to the Times blog (and it is interesting that we get more/different information from the blog than we do from the actual Times report on the play possibly coming to town; this is the character of information on the internet), Jeffrey Goldberg is calling the play another iteration of the blood libel. Goldberg always sees classical antisemitism in any criticism of Israel by a gentile. He calls Jimmy Carter a 3rd century Christian and Walt and Mearsheimer Father Coughlin. He feels threatened too.
The Churchill demonstrates Avrum Burg's big point in his recent book on the Holocaust and Israel. Jews forgave the Germans too quickly. (Sarah Silverman says the same thing in her act, Jesus Is Magic; why are you Jews driving those German cars?)
And who became the Nazis? The threatening threatening Arabs. Even under piles of rubble, they threaten. Don't write plays about them. More threatening behavior..
(Phil Weiss)
I recall when I questioned the head of "End the Occupation" organization why they were pressing the Aparthied angle when they knew it was not legitimate. She said, "It's the only thing that's working." She stated that it was okay to lie if it works.
It appears Philip's Phools have taken that lesson to heart while they try to blame Israel for the death of Hamas' human shields.
Only a Zionist would have the chutzpah to blame the Jewish-inflicted deaths of 400 innocent, terrorized children on those making a futlie attempt to defend them.
This is another component of what makes Zionism so dangerous to the world: it is pioneering the rationales and talking points for neo-fascism. "We're not to blame for the fact that so many children were killed in the offensive. [population X] was using them for human shields."
Zionists are old pro's at constructing elaborate lies to defend the indefensible, and their talents are now being employed on behalf of yet another sinister movement with international ambitions.
I have submitted a complaint to Typepad, including the following examples of unmoderated obscene and racist hate speech:
1) Like that nazi ass don't you scumbag. Posted by: Sword of Gideonthe point. | February 18, 2009 at 03:26 PM
(2) Shiksa, are you getting wet dreams about my hebrew salami. Israeli girls are hot. Arab girls are not. Sure there are exceptions but get back to me when SI has a model named Fatima. Posted by: Sword of Gideonthe point. | February 18, 2009 at 03:51 PM
(3) BTW, does miss Karen like it up the ass? Posted by: Sword of Gideonthe point. | February 18, 2009 at 04:17 PM
It may be of interest to some, to note that the psychological presuppositions of these zionist hate merchants are identical to those of the medieval European Inquisition: they consider it to be axiomatically given, that all their opponents are ultimately motivated solely by Satan, and therefore that in principle if not yet in practice, their opponents are already guilty of pedophilia, cannibalism, ritual murder, and all the other sins to which Satan will presumably inspire them sooner or later, if they are not 'stopped'. Thus, no accusation can be too far-fetched, or can ever need to be retracted.
Chris Berel, Suzanne, Sword of Gideon, Thom, et al
are all idiots and only make their constituency look even worse. Zionists are pigs and these clowns really exemplify those pig qualities.
In a way, I think they aren't Zionists at all, but really anti-Apartheid anti-Racism anti-Occupation activists who're posing as Zionists to turn off the moderates who visit this blog.
No one can be that moronic and vile at the same time.
Rowan. Good for you.
Ed. Loved the neo-fascism comment.
All. Powerful play. Powerful. If someone kicks a talent like Caryl Churchill off the US stage, prevents this happening, the NYC theatre dies.
Chris Berel, Suzanne, Sword of Gideon, Thom, et al
are all idiots and only make their constituency look even worse. Zionists are pigs and these clowns really exemplify those pig qualities.
In a way, I think they aren't Zionists at all, but really anti-Apartheid anti-Racism anti-Occupation activists who're posing as Zionists to turn off the moderates who visit this blog.
No one can be that moronic and vile at the same time.
The crudities of the Zionist commenters have simply proven the thesis of The Emotional Violence of Israel Advocacy.
Jewish Zionist censorship never stops: from Nathan Straus to Susan Abulhawa.
Phil's Phools are at it again, trying to defend the Islamic Fascist technique of firing while amongst school children and babies.
The anachronistic Zionist movement, which incorporates many elements of Prussianianism and eugenics, has staggered into the 21st century only by rigidly controlling the dissemination of information through the early 20th century model of centralized broadcasting and printing.
Democratization of comment via the internet (as Phil frequently points out) spells doom for Zionism's Prussian control-mongers.
A movement which feels seriously threatened by a 10-minute skit is in bad, bad trouble. Like the former Communist regimes of eastern Europe, Zionist apartheid ultimately will topple not because of external attack, but because its own adherents laugh at it, or walk away.
As an example of laughing at Zionism, Phil Weiss and others have mocked the elderly, stuffed-shirt Conference of Presidents crowd (who even as we speak are over in Promised Land, sucking up to Netanyahu and Livni) as 'Elders of Zion.'
What once was blood libel is now reduced to comedy.
The emperors have no clothes! LOL! It's ovahhhhhhhh ….
You can't toppe what doesn't exist. But Jimmy gave it a good shot. Let's give the boy a hand!
The stupidity of the Israel first crowd is that if you keep screaming "BLOOD LIBEL!" every time a little ten minute play comes along, the time when an actual BLOOD LIBEL! appears nobody will take any notice.
The tactic is even more stupid since the world has moved on since 1978 – anti Zionists aren't intimidated by such BLOOD LIBEL! tactics any more.
Phil's Phools were never intimidated by any facts or figures. they revolve in their own little antisemitic world, total ignorant of truth and consequences.
how do you define truth, Chris?
Truth to the fish berel is whatever bullshit might make Zionism seem legitimate.
That is so funny. Seems that truth to Phil's Phools, and you are a good example, is whatever bullshit might make zionism seem illegitimate.
Not only is debating you like shooting fish in a barrel, you've painted targets on yourself to make it even easier.
Rowan. Good for you.
Ed. Loved the neo-fascism comment.
All. Powerful play. Powerful. If someone kicks a talent like Caryl Churchill off the US stage, prevents this happening, the NYC theatre dies.
Posted by: MRW. | February 19, 2009 at 03:03 AM>>>>>>>>>>
Ditto.
"Like the former Communist regimes of eastern Europe, Zionist apartheid ultimately will topple not because of external attack, but because its own adherents laugh at it, or walk away."
I met several white South Africans traveling in the United States several years after the end of Apartheid. I realize their opinions comprise a tiny and biased sample. However, my strong impression was that few supported the system as it was, but didn't really know what to do about it. One told me that while they were supposed to be patrolling for ANC he would take his platoon to a quiet spot to smoke weed. I suggest that Apartheid fell because of lack of will and belief among its 'beneficiaries' in addition to the obvious explanation of resistance from black South Africans demanding civil rights.
I think that American support for Israel is wide but thin. Most Americans, myself included until several years ago, know nothing about Israel or Zionism except the few talking points we hear now and then on the news. My experience is that when one gives them the facts, their knee-jerk support becomes cautious. Few people are immediately convinced outright because everyone want to assess things for themselves, but most people can tell that the story they've been fed somehow isn't quite right, and paying attention in the future always leads those with open minds away from the traditional Zionist narrative of 'a land without a people for a people without a land' and 'those evil Arabs are all just bloodthirsty killers who can't be trusted'. The shallow depth of American public support for Zionism and the ongoing changes in the way many Americans get their news bodes well for a future where America ceases to subsidize Israeli ethnic cleansing and colonization.
Why don't you go fishing then, fish berel? All this anti-Semite-slaying, day after day, week after week, it can tire out even the machoest Zionist ubermensch. You really deserve a few days off.
No, really.
I'm sure that little Suzy Ha-ha! can keep all hearts and minds goosestepping to the good, wholesome zio-truth while you're on your break.
I love the German references. Problem is that it was the Arabs that threw in with the Nazi's. It was the Palestinian Jews. ( and before 1948 when you said Palestinians you meant Jews ) Who signed up in droves with the British army.
Rowan, I believe that Sword had also threatened that he was waiting with his Desert Eagle .50 for one of the commenters. Maybe, Ed, but I could be wrong.
According to the Times blog (and it is interesting that we get more/different information from the blog than we do from the actual Times report on the play possibly coming to town; this is the character of information on the internet), Jeffrey Goldberg is calling the play another iteration of the blood libel.
Phil's observation that the comments are more informed than the article itself is the genesis of my interest in the subject of the Palestine/Israel question, and questions of Jewish identity. The give-away Jewish weeklies that I would pick up at the local deli contained more nuanced and candid conversations on these topics than I would ever see in the NYT or other large circulation publications. And ultimately it is insulting to be told that in a democracy that you cannot have an opinion or even be part of the discussion if you are not of a particular ideology or ethnicity. Unfortunately I think any real change is still a way off as a mature dialogue is just opening up.
"Goldberg always sees classical antisemitism in any criticism of Israel by a gentile. He calls Jimmy Carter a 3rd century Christian and Walt and Mearsheimer Father Coughlin. He feels threatened too.
The Churchill demonstrates Avrum Burg's big point in his recent book on the Holocaust and Israel. Jews forgave the Germans too quickly."
Goldberg is the embodiment of the illness that afflicts reactionary American Jews and much of the Israeli Jewish population. This illness will not heal so long as white gentiles–especially Americans–play the role of co-dependent.
it is interesting that we get more/different information from the blog
Blog comments are like reflecting pools. Every comment creates a text ripple that influences every other comment placed in it, which is why appealing to censors to put an end to some comments is counterproductive. The information contained in bigots' or warmongers' comments may not be enlightening, but they do serve as a reminder of the tremendous amount of opposition to humane values that exists.
SOG regularly threatens me, but I'm not going to stoop to demands for censorship, like Rowan. That's way too Soviet for me. Besides, it was censorship of open dialogue on the Zionist problem that put us in the position we're in now. Mark my words: censorship always works on behalf of totalitarianism, which is Zionism’s favorite tool.
If SOG, Berel and Suzanne want to make asses of themselves, let them. They actually provide opportunities to turn a spotlight on the dark recesses and thinking patterns of the Zionist mind and its malign agenda.
I think the only rationale for banning them would be if they continue to deliberately vandalize the site by turning all the comment script to bold or italics, which Berel in particular seems to do regularly.
Not to get all philosophical on the point, but some of the comments to this site are symptomatic of the lack of personal connection many of the TV generation have. George W.S. Trow describes, and I am paraphrasing, the TV babies as 'cold children' and further describes 'cold children' as 'sadists', the primary influence during their formative years being the TV set, not human interaction. Sadists feel no empathy and enjoy causing pain, or attempting to cause pain, simply because they can. No intellectual basis for their behavior at all. Which would explain the nihilistic antics of mucking up the HTML tags and the like.
Re: "I recall when I questioned the head of "End the Occupation" organization why they were pressing the Aparthied angle when they knew it was not legitimate. She said, "It's the only thing that's working." She stated that it was okay to lie if it works.
It appears Philip's Phools have taken that lesson to heart while they try to blame Israel for the death of Hamas' human shields.
Posted by: chris berel"
Where, when, what was the name of the person you questioned? Are you projecting, infant?
We have seen by your comments over the last month or so your firm belief in racist attacks of
messengers to divert onlookers from the messages coming on here in the form of comments. Your
whole approach so revealed by you is to directly or impliedly accuse critics of Israeli-USA policy
as merely the voices of anti-semitism. It's the only thing that's working, you believe. And with good reason. But here you are not talking to people dependent on someone funding their election or keeping them in government office. And, since the messengers are not commenting here so that
their employer can be forced into getting rim of them as "anti-semites." Oh, what to do! You are left
with calling names, with crying Wolf, Boogyman. We all see it every day here since the beginning of the year. Yeah, it's ok to lie if it works, and it has been working in behalf Zionism in the USA for many decades, but–too bad for u, it's not working here on this blog, and not working, slowly but steadily,
in the traditional fourth estate.
I recall when I questioned the head of WZO why they were pressing the anti-semitic angle when they knew it was not legitimate. She said, "It's the only thing that's working." She stated that it was okay to lie if it works, and Zionism has a tradition of that tactic.
It appears hasbara wannabes have taken that lesson to heart while they try to blame objective criticism of Israel's conduct for the calculated, planned death of Palestinian innocents, including 400 babies, lots of women, and old men under the pretense they were Hamas' human shields. An exercise in
showing the world the boss is crazy, and might take down the walls of civilization.
Time to cut Samson's hair. Today, this means, time to cut off USA funding and other robotic support of
the tribal state masking itself as something similar to the USA. Time to live up to the principals of Nuremberg and the international laws against war crimes that derived from that trial.
Let's not let Israel off the hook like we did the USSR at Nuremberg.
Certainly there's much less strategic, moral, economic, and tactical reason to do so.
@mark b.
That is really interesting, and it rings completely true in terms of what's going on in this country today, and the seeming lack of conscience of many Americans.
I believe many Americans today are learning their morals from the Bolshevik public school system, and from largely Jewish Hollywood. I'm not proselytizing, but I believe the federal government needs to be completely taken out at the knees so Christianity can be allowed to organically re-grow and resume its proper role as the moral guide to Western civilization. The way it stands now, the federal government and the Jewish Zionists are jack boots stomping on Christianity's neck to keep it down, and filling the moral vacuum with their own sadistic and destructive beliefs.
Absent any superstition, I believe it can be objectively demonstrated that Christian societies are healthier and more moral than Bolshevik and Jewish dominated ones. And since the Enlightenment, Christian societies have a strong history of separation of church and state.
Jewish and left-liberal Bolshevik-dominated societies just mix morals and government and policy and agenda altogether in one big s**t mix and crap all over everyone. This is why America is increasingly a toilet, and its foreign policy is obscene, too.
"attacks of messengers"
When Phil's Phools pull out their antisemitic messenge, they stop being a messenger and become one with the messenge.
This is the case with Joachim, Ed, Rowan, Martin, Citzen, and, of course, Phil himself.
Are you projecting, infant?
The infantile will to power is probably partly responsible for the popularity of blog comments.
The Third Reich was a Christian society; almost every one in it was baptized and Catechized. The European immigrants who invaded the Western Hemisphere were products of a Christian society. The slave owning American South was a Christian society. Apartheid South Africa was a Christian society. Most of America's well known bigots are products of a Christian society. The Reverends Haggee and Parsley are leaders of American Christian society. They have no knowledge of what a moral healthy society is, and preach against its formation. These types of Christians have turned America into an overflowing toilet. The European Jews who migrated to Palestine were also products of Christian society, which is one reason their strategies and tactics have worked well for them to carve a nation from another's. Christianity will not cure society of its immoralities, even if it helps individuals find their true self.
Secular animism is a better path, but it too could be used as an ideology to inflate man's shadow and commit 'justifiable' crimes, just as all other ideologies have done.
I notice how Tommy pulls out every Bolshevik talking point against Christianity, and completely ignores all the good it's done, and that it's the basis of Western civilization. He also brings up Christian Zionists like John Hagee, who are about as "Christian" as was Judas. Let me guess, Tommy: you’re a product of America’s dysfunctional public school system? Is that where you learned you’re anti-Christian talking points?
Tommy is preceded by Jewish Zionist Berel, who warns of sinister agendas underlying Zionism's critics — as if the contemporary corrupt status quo of Philo-Zionism isn’t the most sinister agenda of all, and the stalking horse for neo-fascism.
But that's find. Let's just get Big Government-enforced Big Zionism out of the way and let the marketplace of ideas decide. I believe Christianity will organically re-grow, and the others — be they Zionism or "secular animism" or any other screwball ideology, will rot on the vine. But we won't know until we try. That's what the Big Government/Big Zionism types are so afraid of, which is why they stomp Christianity every chance they get, and use the federal government to keep its jackboots on Christianity’s neck, and to poison young minds against it via the government schools.
Well, well. I am gone for a few days and in my absence Berel has discovered the literary joys of alliteration. Phils Phools. Hogan's Heroes. She sells seashells by the sea shore. This is progress beyond any reasonable expectation. Now if he could just restrain himself from screwing with the tags, one might mistake him for a human being.
You're right, Colin.
Almost every Nazi was both baptized and Catechized. Christianity did not help Germans avoid sinfulness, whether they were raised Lutheran or Catholic. The rape of slaves by Southern American Christians or the giving of typhoid infested blankets to Native Americans by early American Christian leaders is objectively historical. I said nothing about big government, but did acknowledge even my screwball spirituality capable of becoming an ideology that could justify inhumanity. Inhuman movements have happened to Christianity more than several times, and is what all belief systems have the capacity to become.
The Reverend Haggee is Texas' Mullah Omar.
Or tribe. Like being told you can't comment on the car industry woes because you're not a Teamster, even when taxpayers shell out to keep it alive.
Ed.
Apropos: Ed | February 19, 2009 at 01:30 PM
Somewhere in my Internets travel over a year ago I encountered an essay, sourced and footnoted up the ying yang, about actual early 20th C zionist documents presented at a conference that described how the talking pictures were to be nuanced. The documents I read said that goyim were to be shown as the Everyman, not educated, fiercely patriotic, disdainful of higher learning as a goal, and willing to go to war for ideals. The kind who would jump into any fight to defend America and their mothers; his life be damned. Jews, in these documents, were to be characterized as nerdy (not their word, mine) and a little forgetful because they were the smart ones, the doctors, scientists, and lawyers; non-threatening but the brains who could be trusted to haul anyone out of a jam. Blacks were to be shown as too stupid to handle anything but menial jobs, and dancing. The documents referred to specifically addressed Hollywood movies once talking pictures had come out. The goyim rich were to be shown far above what anyone could attain, and used as the attraction to increase viewership. The documents also indicated that this would be a several-decades-long process of indoctrination.
I wish I could find those documents again. Interesting how the Asian kids never got that message.
Another common trait I see in berel, and Suzanne and the like, is putting forth some piss-poor offering and then nearly wrenching their arms out of the socket as they furiously pat themselves on the back, insisting on just how talented they are.
Where does this come from?
It doesn't come from you.
Sociopathic narcissism.
And yet Berel can't even get HTML. Notice how he's vandalized yet another thread? He's worse than a punk with a can of spray paint.
I doubt you questioned them personally, as I read the same thing over at z-word (as applies to Chris's first comment).
No example is ever going to be precise. Apartheid has similarities but many differences too. Sometimes it's better, sometimes it's worse. Northern Ireland, segregation U.S. and colonialism all pertain to this conflict too but as with South Africa, it isn't an exact model. There will never be exact models.
For someone who prides himself with accuracies, you sure do throw out the Islamo-fascist line quite often. But I doubt you did your own research on the fallacies of juxtaposing those two terms either.
It is the liver.
There is not even a close model to South Afric. In SA, a definite white minority people with no ancestral ties to the land dienfranchised the majority black natives.
This model does not exist anywhere in Israel. The mixed race israelis have a 4000 year ancestral tie to the land. They live in a vibrant democracy where the 1.2 million non Jews enjoy the same democratic rights as the majority.
Only Phil's Phools believe differently.
The more I see of the retard twins, Berel and Suzanne, the more convinced I am that they are neither Jewish nor Zionists, but Aryan Brotherhood. Who has done more to discredit the idea of Jewish exceptionalism or Zionism on this site than those dimwits?
And the Palestinians have no ancestral ties to the land that they were disenfranchised from? The apartheid comparison is an apt description of the situation in Palestine. At least the black natives got to keep their land mostly, unlike many Palestinians who were expelled and driven out of their land and are considered to be "irrational haters" by the Zionists and their fellow travellers for refusing to give up their land. Those 1.2 million Palestinians in Palestine proper, will soon outnumber(a thorn in the eyes of the Judeofascicts and may it make them perish in their rage) along with the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, the Jews. Then we will see how democratic "Israel" is.
Another important point to mention was the close relationship between Israel and the apartheid regime in South Africa at the time. Why weren't the Neocons promoting democracy back then and criticising their false idol, Israel for its' bosom relationship with the apartheid regime?!
marc b., wait until fish berel masters the art of rhyme. then we're really gonna be in for it. but wait, what rhymes with nazi (besides yahtzee)?
As the UN required only a 2 year residency for Palestinian refugee status, it seems the world did not believe the Arabs who ran away had much of an ancestral tie.
Interesting though that on one hand you prove there is no aparthied and on the other hand you insist there is.
…"Northern Ireland, segregation U.S. and colonialism all pertain to this conflict too but as with South Africa, it isn't an exact model …"
I think that there is a common thread that binds these sorry episodes in our history (as well as the contemporary attacks by Israeli militants on its neighbours).
The feature they all have in common is a justifying covenantal ideology or theology.
We, the earthbound partners to the contract inevitably adopt a dualistic outlook towards other people.
I say dualistic because the covenant belief easily crystallizes into saved, not saved, good guys, bad guys notion of humanity.
The technical term is "soteriological dualism".
(See, "The Survivors of Israel" by Mark Adam Elliott)
Dualism has been condemned throughout history.
It has always been a blight on humanity, it seems to be at the root of most outbreaks of supremacism.
It regularly rears its head in Christianity (Calvinism, Puritanism, Reformed, Indulgence theology etc.), Judaism ( Adamic, Noahic, Mosaic, etc.) and probably other faiths as well.
Let me try that again…
…"Northern Ireland, segregation U.S. and colonialism all pertain to this conflict too but as with South Africa, it isn't an exact model …"
I think that there is a common thread that binds these sorry episodes in our history (as well as the contemporary attacks by Israeli militants on its neighbours).
The feature they all have in common is a justifying covenantal ideology or theology.
It regularly rears its head in Christianity (Calvinism, Puritanism, Reformed, Indulgence theology etc.), Judaism ( Adamic, Noahic, Mosaic, etc.) and probably other faiths as well.
dualism is part of our nature
It is a hard wired phenomena, seen in the dominance of one hemisphere of the brain over the other. It is also manifested in our dual sexuality.
Jesus salient thought to love thine enemy, rather than being a rejection of dualism, could be an embrace of it. Acknowledging the unconscious desire to find solutions to conflict rather than just reacting to them as a natural instinct of survival for the individual, tribe, clan, nation or state, was a breakthrough in human social development.