Comments on: New Palestinian poll: Trust in Hamas (and rockets) surpasses Fatah http://mondoweiss.net/2009/02/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 09:59:01 +0000 hourly 1 By: Citizen http://mondoweiss.net/2009/02/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html/comment-page-1#comment-33835 Citizen Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/06/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html#comment-33835 <p>Hard to read the mixed results; near as I can gather, Israel's stated purpose for the nature of their attack on Gaza has come up way short in results. Agree, disagree? Why?</p> Hard to read the mixed results; near as I can gather, Israel's stated purpose for the nature of their attack on Gaza has come up way short in results. Agree, disagree? Why?

]]> By: Hiawatha http://mondoweiss.net/2009/02/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html/comment-page-1#comment-33836 Hiawatha Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/06/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html#comment-33836 <p>You might find <a href="http://triadblog.info/blog" rel="nofollow">triad blog</a> a fresh breeze.</p> You might find triad blog a fresh breeze.

]]> By: Julian http://mondoweiss.net/2009/02/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html/comment-page-1#comment-33837 Julian Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/06/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html#comment-33837 <p>According to Franklin Lamb, Hamas was going to was going to really beat Israel up.<br /> That view was pretty prevalent with the Israel hate groups before the war.<br /> What Israel accomplished was to show that there will be a large price to pay attacking Israel.<br /> http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/on-heightened-%E2%80%9Cfull-red-alert%E2%80%9D-hezbollah-continues-to-ponder-its-islamic-duty-to-the-palestinians-in-gaza/<br /> "The “Varsity Squad” of Hezbollah has so trained the “Junior Varsity Squad” that there is no need to intervene unless Hamas is on the verge of total elimination which given its strong showing during the past 17 days appears very unlikely. As one Hezbollah reservist noted, “If Hamas survives to fire even one rocket into Israel after Israeli forces eventually withdraw from Gaza, the World will declare Hamas the winner.” Israel discovered Hezbollah expertise last weekend when it learned that the capabilities of Hamas are much more than they anticipated including its ability to strike Beer Sheba.</p> <p>Based on conversations with several Hezbollah functionaries, Shia Hezbollah appears to have increasingly deep respect for Sunni Hamas. They share an ideology and a set of strategic goals that transcend their religious difference. Both were created as an alternative to failed Arab nationalist organizations in order to effectively confront the Zionist occupation. Hezbollah has been the primary role model, trainer, and “coach” of a “new” Hamas with apparent dramatic results."</p> <p></p> <p><br /> </p> According to Franklin Lamb, Hamas was going to was going to really beat Israel up.
That view was pretty prevalent with the Israel hate groups before the war.
What Israel accomplished was to show that there will be a large price to pay attacking Israel.
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"The “Varsity Squad” of Hezbollah has so trained the “Junior Varsity Squad” that there is no need to intervene unless Hamas is on the verge of total elimination which given its strong showing during the past 17 days appears very unlikely. As one Hezbollah reservist noted, “If Hamas survives to fire even one rocket into Israel after Israeli forces eventually withdraw from Gaza, the World will declare Hamas the winner.” Israel discovered Hezbollah expertise last weekend when it learned that the capabilities of Hamas are much more than they anticipated including its ability to strike Beer Sheba.

Based on conversations with several Hezbollah functionaries, Shia Hezbollah appears to have increasingly deep respect for Sunni Hamas. They share an ideology and a set of strategic goals that transcend their religious difference. Both were created as an alternative to failed Arab nationalist organizations in order to effectively confront the Zionist occupation. Hezbollah has been the primary role model, trainer, and “coach” of a “new” Hamas with apparent dramatic results."

]]> By: Citizen http://mondoweiss.net/2009/02/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html/comment-page-1#comment-33838 Citizen Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/06/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html#comment-33838 <p>I guess the jews are not the only "stiff-necked" people in this world.</p> I guess the jews are not the only "stiff-necked" people in this world.

]]> By: chris berel http://mondoweiss.net/2009/02/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html/comment-page-1#comment-33839 chris berel Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/06/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html#comment-33839 <p>A very instructive poll. Basically, it states that Israel should have continued to bomb Gaza until every member of Hamas was dead. Further, that Israel should have sent execution squad into Syria to take out the senior leadership of Hamas.</p> <p>This will be taken under advisement.</p> A very instructive poll. Basically, it states that Israel should have continued to bomb Gaza until every member of Hamas was dead. Further, that Israel should have sent execution squad into Syria to take out the senior leadership of Hamas.

This will be taken under advisement.

]]> By: Sam http://mondoweiss.net/2009/02/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html/comment-page-1#comment-33840 Sam Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/06/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html#comment-33840 <p><br /> Chris,<br /> <i><br /> A very instructive poll. Basically, it states that Israel should have continued to bomb Gaza until every member of Hamas was dead. Further, that Israel should have sent execution squad into Syria to take out the senior leadership of Hamas.</i></p> <p>And polls now show Likud in a robust lead with the more fascist yet Lieberman pulling into second or third. Bascially, it states that Palestinians should bomb Israel until every last fascist element was dead. Further, that Palestinians should send execution squads into the US to take out the American funders of these elements.</p> <p><i>This will be taken under advisement.</i></p> <p>Indeed.<br /> </p> Chris,

A very instructive poll. Basically, it states that Israel should have continued to bomb Gaza until every member of Hamas was dead. Further, that Israel should have sent execution squad into Syria to take out the senior leadership of Hamas.

And polls now show Likud in a robust lead with the more fascist yet Lieberman pulling into second or third. Bascially, it states that Palestinians should bomb Israel until every last fascist element was dead. Further, that Palestinians should send execution squads into the US to take out the American funders of these elements.

This will be taken under advisement.

Indeed.

]]> By: Suzanne http://mondoweiss.net/2009/02/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html/comment-page-1#comment-33841 Suzanne Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/06/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html#comment-33841 <p><b>"--53 percent of West Bank respondents say Hamas won the war (only 35 percent of Gazans share that view)"</b></p> <p>ok...don't screech...but this begs the question: should stupid people be breeding??</p> <p>BTW--wasn't the other poll exclusively asked of Gazans? This seems to be responses from the occupied territories at large. Doesn't that dilute things and potentially negate the charge that the other poll was very different and manipulated by Fatah?</p> <p>Is this Jerusalem Media & Communications outfit unbiased, btw? I don't know much about them.</p> "–53 percent of West Bank respondents say Hamas won the war (only 35 percent of Gazans share that view)"

ok…don't screech…but this begs the question: should stupid people be breeding??

BTW–wasn't the other poll exclusively asked of Gazans? This seems to be responses from the occupied territories at large. Doesn't that dilute things and potentially negate the charge that the other poll was very different and manipulated by Fatah?

Is this Jerusalem Media & Communications outfit unbiased, btw? I don't know much about them.

]]> By: Thom http://mondoweiss.net/2009/02/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html/comment-page-1#comment-33842 Thom Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/06/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html#comment-33842 <p>Actually Sam, what it shows is that the Palestinians are idiots. They voted for leadership that lead them straight into a disastrous war with the 4th or 5th strongest military power on the planet. Then they looked at that disaster and said "oooh, sign me up for more of that".</p> <p>Israeli voters OTOH voted for a government that was succeeding at the war with a 50 to 1 ratio of enemy soldiers killed to Israeli soldiers killed (though with regrettable and unavoidable civilian casualties on the other side), then stopped fighting before the job was done.</p> <p>Hamas picked a fight with Israel. Israel demonstrated their military capability. Israel let Hamas live hoping that the demonstration would be enough to get Hamas to stop trying to pick a fight. Since it hasn't been, the Israelis are likely to vote for a government that is going to do more than just demonstrate their ability to destroy Hamas.</p> <p>The problem with Hamas is that they fundamentally don't understand the concept of being merciful to an enemy. If they had the capability to destroy Israel, they would. So they think the fact that Israel hasn't exterminated the Palestinians means that the Israelis are weak.</p> <p>Quite frankly, I have no idea how you deal with someone whose response to losing is "you let me live, therefore I will keep trying to kill you". What do you do when no matter how much damage you inflict on the other side short of extermination, they won't stop trying to kill you?</p> Actually Sam, what it shows is that the Palestinians are idiots. They voted for leadership that lead them straight into a disastrous war with the 4th or 5th strongest military power on the planet. Then they looked at that disaster and said "oooh, sign me up for more of that".

Israeli voters OTOH voted for a government that was succeeding at the war with a 50 to 1 ratio of enemy soldiers killed to Israeli soldiers killed (though with regrettable and unavoidable civilian casualties on the other side), then stopped fighting before the job was done.

Hamas picked a fight with Israel. Israel demonstrated their military capability. Israel let Hamas live hoping that the demonstration would be enough to get Hamas to stop trying to pick a fight. Since it hasn't been, the Israelis are likely to vote for a government that is going to do more than just demonstrate their ability to destroy Hamas.

The problem with Hamas is that they fundamentally don't understand the concept of being merciful to an enemy. If they had the capability to destroy Israel, they would. So they think the fact that Israel hasn't exterminated the Palestinians means that the Israelis are weak.

Quite frankly, I have no idea how you deal with someone whose response to losing is "you let me live, therefore I will keep trying to kill you". What do you do when no matter how much damage you inflict on the other side short of extermination, they won't stop trying to kill you?

]]> By: Mooser http://mondoweiss.net/2009/02/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html/comment-page-1#comment-33843 Mooser Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/06/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html#comment-33843 <p>Thom, which Occupation are you talking about? The one where an inferior power contains a superior power through 40 years of Occupation? <br /> Cause the situation you are talking about exists completely in your own mind, and has no relation to Gaza, except insofar as it reveals the depths to which your mind has sunk. I hope you aren't a Jew, I can't take too much more of this embarrassment.</p> Thom, which Occupation are you talking about? The one where an inferior power contains a superior power through 40 years of Occupation?
Cause the situation you are talking about exists completely in your own mind, and has no relation to Gaza, except insofar as it reveals the depths to which your mind has sunk. I hope you aren't a Jew, I can't take too much more of this embarrassment.

]]> By: Mooser http://mondoweiss.net/2009/02/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html/comment-page-1#comment-33844 Mooser Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/02/06/new-palestinian-poll-trust-in-hamas-and-rockets-surpasses-fatah.html#comment-33844 <p> <i>"They voted for leadership that lead them straight into a disastrous war..."</i></p> <p>I thought the "war" happened in 1967 (the Israelis won, or so they told themselves) and the Palestinian territory has been occupied since then. How can an occupied territory start a "war" with their occupiers? </p> "They voted for leadership that lead them straight into a disastrous war…"

I thought the "war" happened in 1967 (the Israelis won, or so they told themselves) and the Palestinian territory has been occupied since then. How can an occupied territory start a "war" with their occupiers?

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