Mondo Exclusive: Google map of Israeli settlements from leaked database

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The "Spiegel settlement database" is already creating waves in Israel. Israeli NGO Yesh Din has announced they will use the database to help Palestinians sue Israel for reparations and the removal of settlements from privately owned land.

To help get the word out, Mondo reader Jamie Dyer has used the information in the translated excerpts of the database to create this google map. "Making the map helped me to see the strategic placement of these
settlements. The hilltops are being systematically taken in a sort of
inversion of the topography of justice," Dyer writes. Click on the blue donkeytails to get a report on each landgrab:

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The map will continue to get updated as more parts of database are made public.

While the Spiegel database is important, as Yesh Din's work attests to, it is also important to remember that in the end the database is telling us what we already know. Israel separates out the settlements into "legal" and "illegal" categories, and creates their own "legal" processes for zoning and building settlements in the West Bank, but under international law all Israeli settlement in the occupied territories is illegal. Period.

The Spiegel report is interesting in that it demonstrates Israeli government support for activity "illegal" under Israeli law, but this has been known, if not officially acknowledged, for a long time. For a good discussion of this, head over to jews sans frontieres. Money quote:

Hence, what the new leaked database reveals is that, in addition to
taking control of all the public land that belongs to the Palestinian
people and using it for Jews only, in addition to the million of dunums
confiscated "legally" from private Palestinian owners, Israeli
authorities also took some land from a few dozen owners without
attention to legal niceties.

This is like discovering that a bank teller was pickpocketed during a bank robbery.

(Adam Horowitz)

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  1. Rowan
    February 3, 2009, 5:48 am

    I have to agree with Ed, in one respect: the method that our trolls use – that the entire zionist machine uses – is stalinist, or trotskyist, in every detail.

    However: it does not follow from this, Ed, that their goal is 'communism' (whatever that may be). The fact that their method is 'communistic' does not necessarily give us any information about their goal, which I believe is more likely the perpetuation of global capitalist imperialism, with themselves as the head of the snake.

  2. LeaNder
    February 3, 2009, 7:11 am

    I have to agree with Ed, in one respect: the method that our trolls use – that the entire zionist machine uses – is stalinist, or trotskyist, in every detail.

    Only if you consider the history of propaganda as a Stalinist, Trotskyist invention, which blanks out a couple of centuries all the way back to Aristoteles rhetorics.I have to agree with Ed, in one respect: the method that our trolls use – that the entire zionist machine uses – is stalinist, or trotskyist, in every detail.

    Only if you ignore the history of propaganda and reduce it in accordance with Ed's basic scapegoats to a Stalinist, Trotskyist invention; which blanks out a couple of centuries all the way back to Aristoteles rhetorics, or e.g. its institutionalized use by the Catholic Church.

  3. Susie Kneedler
    February 2, 2009, 8:54 am

    Thanks Adam and Phil,

    This sickening {yet salutory) discovery confirms what we already knew:
    that the Israeli government plotted all along to tauntingly dupe the Palestinian people, in a conspiracy that's designed to provoke–as heckling and deception do–the most infinite, burning rage.

    Like Bush's transparent lie, ("I have no war plans on my desk",) Israel shammed innocence, claiming that it was negotiating in the best of faith: that it simply couldn't control the accidental encroachment of radical [often American] Purgists. [I can't use the term "Settlers," because it's obviously contrived to legitimate Conquest, evoking the Anglo-Supremists who sacked all the American lands.]

    Anyone who whines the question with which the American press brainwashed the U.S, public, "Why do they hate us?," should think about the effect of such Israeli-U.S. con-artistry. The cruelty of bullying–insulting, supercilious, brutal–provokes a corrosive sense of injustice in its object. The question we ought to ask is staggeringly opposite of the one above:

    "Why have so many Palestinians NOT loathed the living daylights out of us?"

    The capacity of so many of the Palestinian people for forgiveness, for striving mightily to remain humane and simply care for their families is breathtaking. Can our country say the same, in its lawless pursuit of vengeance under Bush?

    The challenge for Obama, as so many have said, is whether he will negotiate with Hamas more honestly than Clinton and Bush did with the PA, or whether he'll wait till a more radical group, maddened by injustice, overthrows Hamas.

    ******
    Also, Great News, possibly:

    link to timesonline.co.uk

    Prosecutor looks at ways to put Israeli officers on trial for Gaza 'war crimes'

    'When Palestinian groups petitioned the ICC this month, its prosecutor said that it was unable to take the case because it had no jurisdiction over Israel, a nonsignatory to the court. Now, however, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the ICC prosecutor, has told The Times that he is examining the case for Palestinian jurisdiction over alleged crimes committed in Gaza….

    Palestinian groups have submitted arguments asserting that the Palestinian Authority is the de facto state in the territory where the crimes were allegedly committed….

    Part of the Palestinian argument rests on the Israeli insistence that it has no responsibility for Gaza under international law since it withdrew from the territory in 2006…..

    The case has wide-reaching ramifications for the Palestinian case for statehood. If the court rejects the case, it will highlight the legal black hole that Palestinians find themselves in while they remain stateless. However, it also underlines some of Israel's worst fears about a Palestinian state on its borders. A Palestinian state that ratified the Rome treaty would then be able to refer alleged Israeli war crimes to the court without the current legal wrangling. The case could also lead to snowballing international recognition of a Palestinian state by countries eager to see Israel prosecuted….

    One avenue would be for Israel to agree to investigate its commanders and prosecute any crimes discovered. That would remove any case from the orbit of the international court. So far that appears unlikely, given Israel's repeated denials of war crimes in Gaza.'

  4. Susie Kneedler
    February 2, 2009, 9:06 am

    As Rhett Butler said, in a saga about another defeated empire, caught in my own snare. Israeli propaganda insists that it relinquished control of Gaza: how perfect if that provides the justification for a Palestinian state, as well as prosecution of Israelis for War Crimes.

  5. Yisrael Medad
    February 2, 2009, 9:23 am

    Great map. I checked where I live and I commented here: link to myrightword.blogspot.com

  6. Toby Klein Greenwald
    February 2, 2009, 9:35 am

    Unfortunately many of the people behind this effort and similar efforts are blazing hypocrites. Some of them live in homes in Baka that are/were owned by Palestinians living in refugee camps, some of them live in French Hill, some of them live in East Talpiot, etc. According to their philosophy, all of these locations are "illegal". And they rage after people living in areas that were barren and owned by nobody. How sickening.

  7. Eva Smagacz
    February 2, 2009, 10:55 am

    Well Mr Greenwald,

    The Civilizations moved on in the last few hundred of years with regard to due respect to the idea of property ownership.

    Just because the area is barren (hey, maybe some people like it that way – the way nature intended it to be) and is owned by community/group/society/tribe/ does not give you or any other folk right to walk up, take it and exclude all others.

    If you think it is such a good thing to do pick on someone your size and settle in one of the USA military bases – its owned by no individual and is often barren.

    Let me know how you get on.

  8. Toby Klein Greenwald
    February 2, 2009, 11:09 am

    Well Mr. Eva,

    1) You conveniently (like many of your "tribe", to use your own word) chose to not counter my comments about how many people in Israel who claim to want to help Palestinians, are living in Palestinian homes in Baka or on what they consider to be Palestinian land in East Talpiot and French Hill (and elsewhere). And 2) You are assuming Palestinian ownership where there was no ownership. Unless of course you mean to say that all of the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan is by default "Palestinian". But we are used to obfuscation of a certain political/ideological ilk that doesn't wish to be bothered with the facts.

  9. Robert Hume
    February 2, 2009, 11:20 am

    It seems to me that every settler is just as devastating to Palestinians, and just as illegal, as are rockets into Southern Israel.

    No wonder the Palestinians had to respond to years of provocation.

    No wonder the settlements must stop if there is to be peace. Not only stop, but be reversed. You can't reverse a rocket but you can reverse a settlement.

  10. Ed
    February 2, 2009, 11:40 am

    @TKG: "many people in Israel who claim to want to help Palestinians, are living in Palestinian homes"

    Well, then they should redouble their efforts to compensate. Irregardless, they are infinitely superior to those who are currently living in stolen Palestinian homes yet maintain Palestinians have no land claims at all. The former are merely hypocritical; the latter are monstrous.

  11. Toby Klein Greenwald
    February 2, 2009, 11:47 am

    You're right — you can't reverse a rocket.

    Nor can we reverse the massacres perpetrated by the Palestinians in the years before 1948, or before 1967, or after Oslo.

    You're right. You can't reverse murder.

  12. BLG
    February 2, 2009, 12:46 pm

    Did Hamas lauch rockets before the retaliation to the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre?

  13. LD
    February 2, 2009, 12:47 pm

    Right Greenwald, and you can't reverse the ZIonist massacres of Palestinians before 48, and blah blah blah.

    Don't try to counter the earlier poster by talking about Palestinian violence. If we're going to add up all the bullshit then it's always Israel in the lead by a wide margin.

    Zionist pig.

  14. dana
    February 2, 2009, 1:02 pm

    Toby Klein Greenwald:

    More hasbara 101, eh? not a very good try though, unless you really want to do a proper comparison of all massacres, possibly going back to that great leader of old – the incomparable Joshua? what was that exactly about the cleansing of the land from all inhabitants – and ALL their possessions?

    The beauty of your argument is that it leads straight to Samson (another great "judge" – and jury – and executioner ), and the legal underpinning of suicide bombing as a legitimate resistance tactic. By all means, keep going on this trajectory – we're all breathless with anticipation.

    PS Please forward to hasbara overlords:

    Can you please send us someone with better equipment?

  15. Rowan
    February 2, 2009, 1:14 pm

    Attorney Talya Sasson, number seven on the Meretz list for the Knesset, issued a complaint to police Monday stating she received a death threat from an anonymous caller. "On Saturday a phone call was made to my home," Sasson said. "My daughter answered and was asked by an anonymous man to relay a threatening message to me." Sasson refused to detail the content of the message, but stated that it was "Extremely unpleasant." The complaint was made to the Mevasseret Zion police, who launched investigation.

    Sasson assesses the threat was made due to her publicly-known position on the issue on illegal outposts. In 2005 Sasson published a report showing Israel had been conducting construction in illegal outposts that exceeded its agreement with the US, according to which construction would be limited to meeting the needs of the settlements' natural growth. "Threats and means of intimidation will not shut me up," said Sasson.

    Meretz, in response, has called upon authorities to investigate the case "in order to avoid a situation in which various legitimate stands are silenced in this manner." Members of the National Union party slammed Sasson on Sunday saying that the only outpost they are familiar with is Sasson herself within the Justice Ministry. "Sasson prepared the report and exploited her public position to advance herself politically," said National Union chair Ya'akov Katz. (Haaretz)

  16. Yisrael Medad
    February 2, 2009, 1:31 pm

    It's not nice to call a Zionist a "pig". Not only is it not the Jewish thing to do but we all know the Muslims and the Quran lend themselves to antisemitism: "It is really easy to find quotations stating that jihad (holy war) is the sacred duty of every Muslim, that Jews and Christians should be killed, and that this fight should continue until only the Muslim religion is left ([Qur'an 8:39]). Al-Baqara says about the Jews, slay them (the sons of apes and pigs) whenever you catch them. Jews are said to be treacherous and hypocritical and could never be friends with a Muslim.[8]"

    and

    Another hadith says: "A Jew will not be found alone with a Muslim without plotting to kill him."[25] According to another hadith, Muhammad said: "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him'".(Sahih al-Bukhari 4:52:177) This hadith has been quoted countless times, and it has become a part of the charter of Hamas.[38]"

    All this here

  17. Ed
    February 2, 2009, 1:36 pm

    Greenwald cites historical Palestinian resistance to Zionism as "proof" that Zionism can never be reversed or suspended, hence the Zionists should continue digging themselves deeper and deeper.

    This is how organized Jewry has historically gotten itself into deep trouble: It can't admit mistakes, it can't apologize, it can't admit errors in judgment…single mindedness will do that to a group.

    Why don't you try stepping outside the echo-chamber for awhile? It seems when you all get together in a tight-knit claque, you quickly succumb to the siren call of certain insane, obsessive ring-leaders driving you to ever higher levels of insanity, and become your own worst enemy.

    I got news for you: It’s not always the other guys fault, and those who always insist it is are nuts.

    When you're in a hole, stop digging!

  18. Rowan
    February 2, 2009, 2:16 pm

    You'd think Mr Medad could find something less than 1000 years old to complain about.

  19. Carol O
    February 2, 2009, 3:59 pm

    Medad? He forgot the anti-Goyism easily found throughout the Torah and Talmud. You can get a bible in any ten-cent motel drawer, and the Torah is available online–even the unredacted stuff.

  20. Carol O
    February 2, 2009, 4:04 pm

    I mean both the old and new testaments are everywhere, thanks to Guttenberg, and the Talmud is available on line and at Amazon for example–including the unredacted version not cleaned up for they eyes of the goy.

  21. Toby Klein Greenwald
    February 2, 2009, 4:27 pm

    How intriguing that only the posters on this list who advocate for the Palestinian side resort to personal slurs. But that's what one does when one runs out of arguments with substance. I'm signing off, since you don't know how to discuss the issues intelligently.

  22. chris berel
    February 2, 2009, 4:35 pm

    Why? The typical muslim militant has just as much belief in the current application of the hadith as his 1000 year old relatives. And he seeks to fulfill the dictates of that hadith.

    So there is no need to find something less then 1000 years old.

  23. ahmed
    February 2, 2009, 4:44 pm

    Yisrael Medad, why are you misquoting the Quran?
    8:39 doesn't say k!ll all disbelievers until only Muslims remains. After speaking of ARAB disbelievers who had prevented access to the Kaaba, the verses are:
    [8:38] Tell those who disbelieved: if they stop, all their past will be forgiven. But if they return, they will incur the same fate as their previous counterparts.

    [8:39] You shall fight them to ward off oppression, and to practice your religion devoted to GOD alone. If they refrain from aggression, then GOD is fully Seer of everything they do.

    I love how people selectively quote passages and ignore all the ones that refer to Jews as the chosen people, that says to maintain good relations with the People of the Book (jews and christians) and which say that the righteous of all peoples of the book will go to heaven (Baqara 2:62).

  24. Craig
    February 2, 2009, 5:17 pm

    Ahmed, you can't seriously expect Zionists to have the intellectual honesty to accurately and fairly quote from texts!

  25. Eva Smagacz
    February 2, 2009, 6:15 pm

    Well, we are well away from settlements and massacre in Gaza, where people are hungry now, and there is shortage of morphine now (Thanks Israel – it is your decisions today and yesterday that left those people with cancer in pain) and we are throwing about arguments about Quaran, when we all know you can read as much or as little as you choose in this world, depending on your belief.

    I am very encouraged by the inflow of aggressive Zionist onto this blog – it means that Mondoweiss'Net visibility has risen substantially, and we are being seen and we are beginning to be a threat. ( Or Phil and his colleagues are – we can be drowned in hasbara talking points).




  26. chris berel
    February 2, 2009, 6:34 pm

    So far, Eva, all you've done is whine. Seems that is all the supporters of Hamas are capable of doing.

  27. Sam
    February 2, 2009, 8:17 pm

    >> So far, Eva, all you've done is whine. Seems that is all the supporters of Hamas are capable of doing.

    Hey Chris! I thought you said all Hamas and their ilk were capable of doing is kill defenseless Jews. Now you say all they are capable of doing is whining. I am confused. What's it going to be? A) Kill defenseless Jews; or B) Whine. Please advise.

    I really am getting to like you, you know that Chris? Your ability to dodge, to weave, and no doubt to undertake lifelike forms of origami are certainly nothing to be sneezed at.

    Where ya from? If nearby, we should hook up and go kick puppies or something. It'd be a blast. Whatcha say, Big Man?

  28. chris berel
    February 2, 2009, 10:02 pm

    That must have been someone else, Sam. Hamas isn't capable of doing much but murdering Fatah members, whining, and so forth. There supporters. on the other hand, seem limited to whining.

    As for dodging, it appears you've been dodging as much as Joachim. Pair of tag-team idiots the two of you are becoming. Looking for a contract?

  29. Suzanne
    February 2, 2009, 10:08 pm

    Man, do I love the google adwords on this site.

    "Find a Jewish husband"

    "Meet Jewish singles"
    "Meet Arab singles"

    "Support IDF soldiers"

    Some people must be taking anti-stroke medicine every time they visit. haha!

  30. D.
    February 2, 2009, 10:26 pm

    Eva wrote: "I am very encouraged by the inflow of aggressive Zionist onto this blog – it means that Mondoweiss' Net visibility has risen substantially, and we are being seen and we are beginning to be a threat."

    I agree completely. It's particularly gratifying to think of people like Mr. Medad (that scholar of the Quran) logging in every day from Shiloh to see what Phil is up to. Just imagine the blood pressure!

    BTW, Medad describes himself on his blog as "an unofficial spokesperson for the Jewish Communities in Judea & Samaria."

  31. Suzanne
    February 2, 2009, 10:39 pm

    Actually, if you were the kind of threat you fancy yourselves to be, we'd be trying to hide you and lower your rankings, would'nt we?

    The whole point is to get you seen.

    From thereon it's downhill for you.

  32. Dan Kelly
    February 2, 2009, 10:56 pm

    Speaking of Google maps, go to to the PalestineRemembered website and download the Google Earth version of Palestine's Districts Before Nakba-1948.

    Palestine Maps

  33. chris berel
    February 2, 2009, 11:01 pm

    A threat? No, a joke. That's why we're the only ones taking you on. Something serious would have a dozen or so knocking you down.

  34. Suzanne
    February 2, 2009, 11:05 pm

    Chris—omigawd…do a search on Joachim's name. This guy is in his 50s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The whole vibe I get here is earnest college kids–or grad students. But there is some serious arrested adolescence going on.

    And what's his wife deal, ay yi yi!

  35. Richard Witty
    February 2, 2009, 11:11 pm

    Under Netanyahu, the right (as indicated in posts above) will be supported and enthusiastically.

    What is humane will decrease in the weight of policy and tactic consideration enormously.

    These discussions on the extent of the settlement intrusion will only happen on blogs, and NOT also in government chambers.

    Netanyahu and Likud is savvy and very aware of the philosophical dichotomy that the Carter summary describes. They have their strategy to deal with it, while they internally have no qualms as to settlement expansion.

    The strategy will likely be the same as prior Netanyahu administration, which is to abide by the letter of the law, so as to misdirect US criticism, but to continue to incrementally implement settlement expansion and to keep Palestinian self-adminstration far away from Palestinian sovereignty.

    The gradual trend will not be for expanded ranges of self-government, nor for ANY implementation of peer final status. Jerusalem will remain annexed, and more firmly made Jewish.

    The past will be unrecognizable, only past, but very little identifiable link to any present.

    Its unknown if Palestinian status would return to the pre-1987 norms that many Palestinians have recently stated that they prefer (as it was possible to travel relatively freely, work, trade, even internationally).

    Or, if the status would be more suppressive.

  36. chris berel
    February 2, 2009, 11:15 pm

    I noticed he had several loose screws.

  37. D.
    February 2, 2009, 11:26 pm

    "What is humane will decrease … "

    Richard Witty, Mr. Irony.

  38. Sam
    February 2, 2009, 11:26 pm

    >> Hamas isn't capable of doing much but murdering Fatah members, whining, and so forth.

    Huh? You keep calling Hamas terrorists? Is whining tantamount to terrorism now? Man, you are lowering your standards.

    Which begs the question, what will you and your ilk now whine about? I mean, if not for the ooga-booga of homemade firecrackers landing in the south, your raison d'etre in life will be….? The entire existence of that fascist stain called Israel is premised upon some ooga-booga or other. Now, you're going to whine about whiners? Really?

    I am worried for you, Chris. Before, you were a proud man, standing on hilltop, shaking fist at lethal threat. Now, you've reduced yourself to a curled adolescent with fingers plugged in ears. All very worrisome.

  39. Sam
    February 2, 2009, 11:27 pm

    Chris,

    But that doesn't we can't get together, hoist a couple, and then go kick some puppies. In fact, I think it would be good for you and good for Israel. Keep that fighting spirit up! Any time, just holler.

  40. Suzanne
    February 2, 2009, 11:38 pm

    "Its unknown if Palestinian status would return to the pre-1987 norms that many Palestinians have recently stated that they prefer (as it was possible to travel relatively freely, work, trade, even internationally).

    Or, if the status would be more suppressive."

    If your forecast is correct, and I don't doubt it is, that is pretty sad. A window of opportunity lost.

  41. Rowan
    February 2, 2009, 11:59 pm

    Our trolls must have had a meeting. They have dropped the nazi slurs and are concentrating entirely on promoting islamophobia.

  42. Anne Silver
    February 3, 2009, 12:27 am

    Hey Dan Kelly, thanks for the maps posting. Can hardly believe I managed to wade through all this and find it.

  43. MRW.
    February 3, 2009, 2:51 am

    Yisrael Medad.

    You’re quoting Wikipedia! And you want us to take you seriously!

    You wrote this, which you claimed was on Wikipedia.

    "It is really easy to find quotations stating that jihad (holy war) is the sacred duty of every Muslim, that Jews and Christians should be killed, and that this fight should continue until only the Muslim religion is left ([Qur'an 8:39]). Al-Baqara says about the Jews, slay them (the sons of apes and pigs) whenever you catch them. Jews are said to be treacherous and hypocritical and could never be friends with a Muslim.[8]"

    It is. But Wikipedia has a link after [Qur'an 8:39] to the Qur’an passage the Wikipedia editor got it from:
    link to usc.edu

    Here is the text, which is nothing like the phony hasbara-induced wikipedia entry you quote. The three different names below refer to translators. Show me where it says it is the sacred duty of every Muslim to kill Jews and Christians. Show me where it mentions apes and pigs.

    008.039
    YUSUFALI: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
    PICKTHAL: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.
    SHAKIR: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

    You lie.

  44. MRW.
    February 3, 2009, 2:59 am

    The Qur'an 8:39 passage refers to non-believers, not Jews or Christians who are believers in their own God. Jesus is an Islam prophet, and Islam is actually closer to Judaism than Christianity, as the Rabbi wrote on another post on this blog.

  45. MRW.
    February 3, 2009, 3:02 am

    Rowan.

    Our trolls must have had a meeting. They have dropped the nazi slurs and are concentrating entirely on promoting islamophobia.

    The word came down to paint Gaza protestors anyone objecting to Israel’s actions in Gaza as Hamas lovers and therefore terrorists, and to promote hatred and fear of islam. It’s all over the web.

    These new trolls are just doing their jobs as good little ants. God forbid they ever think for themselves.

  46. MRW.
    February 3, 2009, 3:10 am

    ahmed.

    Just goes to show you the value of WIkipedia.

  47. Mac
    February 3, 2009, 4:03 am

    I have hear that Arabs often lament the fact that they are divided while their Jewish opponents are united, in the struggle over Palestine. However, this Jewish unity, manifested in the Zionist movement, appears to come at a heavy price to their humanity. The Israelis' willingness to commit cold blooded murder from the very first days their grandparents came to Palestine, after suffering Pogroms and Holocausts in Europe, indicates a hardened ethno-centric view of the world that denies the humanity of the other.

    In the age of the internet and mobile telephone communications, Zionist crimes cannot be hidden from public view as they were in 1948, 1954, 1967, 1982 and on down to 2002. Their kinsmen in the Diaspora may still struggle to stifle and intentionally cloud the public discourse with convoluted arguments, whose purpose is to confuse rather than clarify the issues, however, the ugly truth comes out again and again and again. The recent slaughter of innocents in Gaza, whose main purpose was to intimidate a half starved population into complete submission, can only succeed in the twisted imagination of brainwashed Jewish Nationalists who cannot conceive of any identity except the exclusivest ideology they have been spoon fed since birth.

    Their equivalent on the Arab side are the Muslim fanatics who have no qualms about knowingly bombing and killing civilians. Both Zionists and Muslim fanatics have created a world in their own minds where their own children's lives are sacred and other people's children are profane. The Zionists have just been much better at covering up their crimes.

    Unfortunately, having an unshakable confidence in one's personal citizenship and/or cultural identity sounds like a great idea, until we are confronted with the trade-off, which is a lack of compassion for those who do not share our identity. Who cares about National or Societal "Unity" if we must pay for it with our Humanity.

  48. Mac
    February 3, 2009, 4:04 am

    I have heard that Arabs often lament the fact that they are divided while their Jewish opponents are united, in the struggle over Palestine. However, this Jewish unity, manifested in the Zionist movement, appears to come at a heavy price to their humanity. The Israelis' willingness to commit cold blooded murder from the very first days their grandparents came to Palestine, after suffering Pogroms and Holocausts in Europe, indicates a hardened ethno-centric view of the world that denies the humanity of the other.

    In the age of the internet and mobile telephone communications, Zionist crimes cannot be hidden from public view as they were in 1948, 1954, 1967, 1982 and on down to 2002. Their kinsmen in the Diaspora may still struggle to stifle and intentionally cloud the public discourse with convoluted arguments, whose purpose is to confuse rather than clarify the issues, however, the ugly truth comes out again and again and again. The recent slaughter of innocents in Gaza, whose main purpose was to intimidate a half starved population into complete submission, can only succeed in the twisted imagination of brainwashed Jewish Nationalists who cannot conceive of any identity except the exclusivest ideology they have been spoon fed since birth.

    Their equivalent on the Arab side are the Muslim fanatics who have no qualms about knowingly bombing and killing civilians. Both Zionists and Muslim fanatics have created a world in their own minds where their own children's lives are sacred and other people's children are profane. The Zionists have just been much better at covering up their crimes.

    Unfortunately, having an unshakable confidence in one's personal citizenship and/or cultural identity sounds like a great idea, until we are confronted with the trade-off, which is a lack of compassion for those who do not share our identity. Who cares about National or Societal "Unity" if we must pay for it with our Humanity.

  49. Rowan
    February 3, 2009, 4:49 am

    the Muslim fanatics who have no qualms about knowingly bombing and killing civilians … a world in their own minds where their own children's lives are sacred and other people's children are profane … "

    phony, cowardly 'balance' on your part, Mac.

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