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		<title>By: Shirazi Sophist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirazi Sophist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s an idea: Israel agrees to let the Arabs hold their festival wherever they went (ignore the fact that violent protests and riots may result when these &quot;festivals&quot; inevitably turn political), and the Arabs agree to allow non-Muslims to hold a festival in Mecca and Medina because, you know, Christians, Jews, pagans, and others did live there at one point before they were banished on account of their &lt;i&gt; kuffar &lt;/i&gt; status. I say that&#039;s a fair trade. Do you think the Arabs would agree?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Question: Up until 1967, were Jews from any part of the world allowed to worship at the Temple Mount or Western Wall, the most holiest site in Judaism?&lt;br /&gt;
Answer: No.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s an idea: Israel agrees to let the Arabs hold their festival wherever they went (ignore the fact that violent protests and riots may result when these &quot;festivals&quot; inevitably turn political), and the Arabs agree to allow non-Muslims to hold a festival in Mecca and Medina because, you know, Christians, Jews, pagans, and others did live there at one point before they were banished on account of their <i> kuffar </i> status. I say that&#39;s a fair trade. Do you think the Arabs would agree?</p>
<p>Question: Up until 1967, were Jews from any part of the world allowed to worship at the Temple Mount or Western Wall, the most holiest site in Judaism?<br />
Answer: No.</p>
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		<title>By: Susie Kneedler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susie Kneedler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, I&#039;m weeping.  Thanks, Ira and Phil, for reporting on this new assault on humanity, culture, and life.  So much for allowing the people of Palestine to exist, let alone celebrate, in peace.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;There were 20 arrests of either organizers or participants.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;The authorities also arrested  two employees of al-Quds University who were distributing T-shirts commemorating the festival.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Shocking--just when I thought the depths of &quot;horror&quot; had been plumbed.  Yes, Phil, you&#039;re right that &quot;In relation to the horrors of the Gaza War and the recent revelations about the conduct of the Israeli army in that war, all this may seem insignificant.&quot;  This smashing by the Israeli government of Palestinians&#039; commemorations is less than the merciless slaughter of a helpless, imprisoned populace.  Buth it is the merciless stomping out of harmless joy for a helpless, imprisoned people  by a vengeful tyranny.  How else can we describe such unreasoning destruction of others&#039; mere public happiness?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#39;m weeping.  Thanks, Ira and Phil, for reporting on this new assault on humanity, culture, and life.  So much for allowing the people of Palestine to exist, let alone celebrate, in peace.  </p>
<p>&quot;There were 20 arrests of either organizers or participants.&quot;</p>
<p>&quot;The authorities also arrested  two employees of al-Quds University who were distributing T-shirts commemorating the festival.&quot;</p>
<p>Shocking&#8211;just when I thought the depths of &quot;horror&quot; had been plumbed.  Yes, Phil, you&#39;re right that &quot;In relation to the horrors of the Gaza War and the recent revelations about the conduct of the Israeli army in that war, all this may seem insignificant.&quot;  This smashing by the Israeli government of Palestinians&#39; commemorations is less than the merciless slaughter of a helpless, imprisoned populace.  Buth it is the merciless stomping out of harmless joy for a helpless, imprisoned people  by a vengeful tyranny.  How else can we describe such unreasoning destruction of others&#39; mere public happiness?</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Attempts to suppress cultural awareness will only increase: the &#039;forbidden fruit&#039; phenomena, plus when it&#039;s forbidden to them by Israelis, Palestinians know they fear it.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attempts to suppress cultural awareness will only increase: the &#39;forbidden fruit&#39; phenomena, plus when it&#39;s forbidden to them by Israelis, Palestinians know they fear it.</p>
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		<title>By: Saleema</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saleema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shirazi Sophist is not an Iranian Jew. Another hasbara troll. I can smell south asians, arabs, Iranians and Muslims even through the virtual world of the world wide web.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nice try. And nice use of the Arabic/Persian words, you did well in your Middle Eastern Studies class. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shirazi Sophist is not an Iranian Jew. Another hasbara troll. I can smell south asians, arabs, Iranians and Muslims even through the virtual world of the world wide web.</p>
<p>Nice try. And nice use of the Arabic/Persian words, you did well in your Middle Eastern Studies class. </p>
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		<title>By: Saleema</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saleema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I once went to a local AIPAC meeting for congressional interns. Before the meeting started there was small chit/chat about good ethnic food among other things. One girl said such and such Israeli restaurant has good food. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I love food. Hate cooking but love eating. I asked her what is Israeli food like. One of the things she mentioned was hummus/tahini/falafel.I blurted &quot;but that&#039;s Arabic food!&quot; I just got a smile but no answer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Israelis have &quot;stolen&quot; Arabic food and made it Israeli. How about calling it Middle Eastern food if you don&#039;t want to give Arabs credit for it? They call the adorning of the Kaffieya as hate clothing. Yet others have gone and mad a &quot;Jewish kaffiyah.&quot; (Incidentally is prettier than the Palestinian Kaffiya with the blue and white colors, but I won&#039;t be buying one anytime soon though. I wrote about it on my blog: http://saleemasinkpot.blogspot.com/2009/02/keffiyeh-just-scarf-or-expression-of.html) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They stole the land and made it Israel. Next thing they will be claiming belly dancing too. Israelis are quite clear with their intentions. They will suppress and annihilate Palestinina culture from &quot;their&quot; land. Anything they won&#039;t be able to suppress and annihilate will become Israeli from culture symbols to food and everything in between the earth and high heaven.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once went to a local AIPAC meeting for congressional interns. Before the meeting started there was small chit/chat about good ethnic food among other things. One girl said such and such Israeli restaurant has good food. </p>
<p>I love food. Hate cooking but love eating. I asked her what is Israeli food like. One of the things she mentioned was hummus/tahini/falafel.I blurted &quot;but that&#39;s Arabic food!&quot; I just got a smile but no answer.</p>
<p>The Israelis have &quot;stolen&quot; Arabic food and made it Israeli. How about calling it Middle Eastern food if you don&#39;t want to give Arabs credit for it? They call the adorning of the Kaffieya as hate clothing. Yet others have gone and mad a &quot;Jewish kaffiyah.&quot; (Incidentally is prettier than the Palestinian Kaffiya with the blue and white colors, but I won&#39;t be buying one anytime soon though. I wrote about it on my blog: <a href="http://saleemasinkpot.blogspot.com/2009/02/keffiyeh-just-scarf-or-expression-of.html)">link to saleemasinkpot.blogspot.com</a> </p>
<p>They stole the land and made it Israel. Next thing they will be claiming belly dancing too. Israelis are quite clear with their intentions. They will suppress and annihilate Palestinina culture from &quot;their&quot; land. Anything they won&#39;t be able to suppress and annihilate will become Israeli from culture symbols to food and everything in between the earth and high heaven.</p>
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		<title>By: MX</title>
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		<dc:creator>MX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Israel&lt;br /&gt;
Arabs&lt;br /&gt;
ignore &lt;br /&gt;
violent protests and riots &lt;br /&gt;
&quot;festivals&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
political&lt;br /&gt;
Arabs&lt;br /&gt;
non-Muslims&lt;br /&gt;
a festival&lt;br /&gt;
Mecca&lt;br /&gt;
Medina&lt;br /&gt;
Christians&lt;br /&gt;
Jews&lt;br /&gt;
pagans&lt;br /&gt;
banished&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;b&gt;kuffar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Arabs&lt;br /&gt;
1967&lt;br /&gt;
Jews&lt;br /&gt;
worship&lt;br /&gt;
Temple Mount&lt;br /&gt;
Western Wall&lt;br /&gt;
the most holiest site in Judaism&lt;br /&gt;
No&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Posted by: Shirazi Sophist&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel<br />
Arabs<br />
ignore <br />
violent protests and riots <br />
&quot;festivals&quot;<br />
political<br />
Arabs<br />
non-Muslims<br />
a festival<br />
Mecca<br />
Medina<br />
Christians<br />
Jews<br />
pagans<br />
banished<br />
<b>kuffar</b><br />
Arabs<br />
1967<br />
Jews<br />
worship<br />
Temple Mount<br />
Western Wall<br />
the most holiest site in Judaism<br />
No</p>
<p>Posted by: Shirazi Sophist</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While Operation Cast Lead was horrific, I don&#039;t feel this is less significant.  This is the type of activity that preceded Kristalnacht.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Operation Cast Lead was horrific, I don&#39;t feel this is less significant.  This is the type of activity that preceded Kristalnacht.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Israel agrees to let the Arabs hold their festival wherever they want, and the Arabs agree to allow non-Muslims to hold a festival in Mecca and Medina... Posted by: Shirazi Sophist &#124; March 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I could be bothered to play the hasbara mirroring game, I could contrive some absurd mirroring exercise whereby the supposed US anti-Semites only allow the US Jews to go to synagogue as and when they (the supposed anti-Semites that is) are allowed to hold Nazi rallies outside. You can generate any sort of mirroring scenario if you apply enough ingenuity. And after a while, you don&#039;t even need ingenuity, obviously, it becomes a routine learned reaction, as we see with this geek, who is a sophist if not a Shirazi one.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Israel agrees to let the Arabs hold their festival wherever they want, and the Arabs agree to allow non-Muslims to hold a festival in Mecca and Medina&#8230; Posted by: Shirazi Sophist | March 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM</i></p>
<p>If I could be bothered to play the hasbara mirroring game, I could contrive some absurd mirroring exercise whereby the supposed US anti-Semites only allow the US Jews to go to synagogue as and when they (the supposed anti-Semites that is) are allowed to hold Nazi rallies outside. You can generate any sort of mirroring scenario if you apply enough ingenuity. And after a while, you don&#39;t even need ingenuity, obviously, it becomes a routine learned reaction, as we see with this geek, who is a sophist if not a Shirazi one.</p>
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		<title>By: MX</title>
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		<dc:creator>MX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mirroring, that&#039;s a good term for it. Israel is like one big two-way mirror. We can see in, but they can&#039;t see out, ha ha.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mirroring, that&#39;s a good term for it. Israel is like one big two-way mirror. We can see in, but they can&#39;t see out, ha ha.</p>
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		<title>By: tree</title>
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		<dc:creator>tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sophist has confused Muslim with Arab and forgotten that many Muslims are not Arab and that many Arabs are not Muslims. He also ignores the fact that Israel is likewise suppressing any Arab cultural activities in Nazareth, a city in Israel with little significance for Jews, but much significance for Christians, and a city with a large Palestinian population.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Also, his answer to this question is INCORRECT:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Question: Up until 1967, were Jews from any part of the world allowed to worship at the Temple Mount or Western Wall, the most holiest site in Judaism?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My great aunt, an American Jew and iterant traveler, visited Jerusalem and the Wailing Wall in the mid 1960&#039;s, when it was under Jordanian control. Since I had a clear memory of her description of her visit when I first heard the hasbara tale that my great aunt could not have possibly done what she clearly did, I looked into the question more fully. Jews from other lands were NOT restricted from Old Jerusalem or the Wailing Wall. Only Israelis were prohibited. And that included ALL Israelis, including Muslims and Christians. I suspect that prohibition was the result of the shaky terms of coexistence that existed between Israel and Jordan at the time. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, my aunt didn&#039;t visit the Temple Mount, but back in those days, there were Rabbinical dictates against ordinary Jews setting foot on what might be the location of the Holy of Holies. Apparently that&#039;s gone by the wayside now, in the interest of sticking it to the Muslims in lieu of observing ancient Jewish religious tradition.... Hmm, I guess you could say that about a lot of what Israel does today.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sophist has confused Muslim with Arab and forgotten that many Muslims are not Arab and that many Arabs are not Muslims. He also ignores the fact that Israel is likewise suppressing any Arab cultural activities in Nazareth, a city in Israel with little significance for Jews, but much significance for Christians, and a city with a large Palestinian population.</p>
<p>
Also, his answer to this question is INCORRECT:</p>
<blockquote><p>Question: Up until 1967, were Jews from any part of the world allowed to worship at the Temple Mount or Western Wall, the most holiest site in Judaism?</p></blockquote>
<p>My great aunt, an American Jew and iterant traveler, visited Jerusalem and the Wailing Wall in the mid 1960&#39;s, when it was under Jordanian control. Since I had a clear memory of her description of her visit when I first heard the hasbara tale that my great aunt could not have possibly done what she clearly did, I looked into the question more fully. Jews from other lands were NOT restricted from Old Jerusalem or the Wailing Wall. Only Israelis were prohibited. And that included ALL Israelis, including Muslims and Christians. I suspect that prohibition was the result of the shaky terms of coexistence that existed between Israel and Jordan at the time. </p>
<p>Of course, my aunt didn&#39;t visit the Temple Mount, but back in those days, there were Rabbinical dictates against ordinary Jews setting foot on what might be the location of the Holy of Holies. Apparently that&#39;s gone by the wayside now, in the interest of sticking it to the Muslims in lieu of observing ancient Jewish religious tradition&#8230;. Hmm, I guess you could say that about a lot of what Israel does today.</p>
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