Comments on: Blankfort agrees, you can’t reform the lobby from inside the Jewish community http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 08:29:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: Rowan http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html/comment-page-1#comment-22996 Rowan Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/25/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html#comment-22996 <p>Why you apologise for JStreet all the time I don't know, Phil. Your fair weather friends, including MJ Rosenberg, will desert you when it gets down to the final question - is the US going to fight Israel or not?</p> Why you apologise for JStreet all the time I don't know, Phil. Your fair weather friends, including MJ Rosenberg, will desert you when it gets down to the final question – is the US going to fight Israel or not?

]]> By: Dan Kelly http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html/comment-page-1#comment-22997 Dan Kelly Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/25/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html#comment-22997 <p>J Street is AIPAC-lite. </p> <p>I posted their disappointing email the other day, the one in which they only seem to care about "moderate Palestinians", and then only because "we need them". </p> <p>I wrote to them requesting that they clarify their intent. </p> <p>They never got back to me.</p> J Street is AIPAC-lite.

I posted their disappointing email the other day, the one in which they only seem to care about "moderate Palestinians", and then only because "we need them".

I wrote to them requesting that they clarify their intent.

They never got back to me.

]]> By: Shirazi http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html/comment-page-1#comment-22998 Shirazi Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/25/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html#comment-22998 <p><i> Hamas rockets didn't kill many civilians </i></p> <p>And whose fault is that?</p> Hamas rockets didn't kill many civilians

And whose fault is that?

]]> By: Rowan http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html/comment-page-1#comment-22999 Rowan Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/25/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html#comment-22999 <p><i>is the US going to fight Israel or not? Posted by: Rowan | March 25, 2009 at 01:49 AM</i></p> <p>I use the term 'fight' because Israel isn't gonna just roll over the comparatively passive way south Africa did. Comparatively -- and it took a decade and a half or so... </p> is the US going to fight Israel or not? Posted by: Rowan | March 25, 2009 at 01:49 AM

I use the term 'fight' because Israel isn't gonna just roll over the comparatively passive way south Africa did. Comparatively — and it took a decade and a half or so…

]]> By: bar_kochba132 http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html/comment-page-1#comment-23000 bar_kochba132 Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/25/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html#comment-23000 <p>Why are you always harping on American Jewish attitudes to Israel? The large majority of staunch supporters of Israel in the US are non-Jews. The US has been pro-Zionist since the 1840's (YES, the 19th century), long before Jews were a significant part of the population.<br /> So even if Israel-bashing "J-Street" DID represent the "mainstream" opinion of American Jews (which it doesn't) strong support would come from outside that deceitful organization.</p> Why are you always harping on American Jewish attitudes to Israel? The large majority of staunch supporters of Israel in the US are non-Jews. The US has been pro-Zionist since the 1840's (YES, the 19th century), long before Jews were a significant part of the population.
So even if Israel-bashing "J-Street" DID represent the "mainstream" opinion of American Jews (which it doesn't) strong support would come from outside that deceitful organization.

]]> By: morris http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html/comment-page-1#comment-23001 morris Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/25/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html#comment-23001 <p>If Jewish people cannot reform the Lobby. Then it is clear Jewish people cannot reform any other aspects of organized Jewry. </p> <p>It is hierarchical, and the activities often concentrated on questing for hegemony. And identifying as Jewish means being of service to the pyramid.</p> If Jewish people cannot reform the Lobby. Then it is clear Jewish people cannot reform any other aspects of organized Jewry.

It is hierarchical, and the activities often concentrated on questing for hegemony. And identifying as Jewish means being of service to the pyramid.

]]> By: Colin Murray http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html/comment-page-1#comment-23002 Colin Murray Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/25/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html#comment-23002 <p><i>The US has been pro-Zionist since the 1840's (YES, the 19th century), long before Jews were a significant part of the population.</i></p> <p>Wasn't the term 'Zionist' first used in 1891, and the Zionist movement started in 1897? How likely is it that with only three years left in the century, many 19th century Americans would have time to hear about, much less become, Zionist? Please explain.</p> The US has been pro-Zionist since the 1840's (YES, the 19th century), long before Jews were a significant part of the population.

Wasn't the term 'Zionist' first used in 1891, and the Zionist movement started in 1897? How likely is it that with only three years left in the century, many 19th century Americans would have time to hear about, much less become, Zionist? Please explain.

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html/comment-page-1#comment-23003 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/25/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html#comment-23003 <p>Hamas rockets were attempted murder. To pander to that thinking is of VERY questionable moral merit.</p> <p>The reform of the Lobby that is needed is to shift from unconditional animosity to a conditional approach.</p> <p>How can you tell the players? Difficult. Some Israelis that describe their thinking and policy as conditional, in fact harbor expansionist objectives. Some dissenters that describe their thinking and proposal (if they get that far) as conditional, in fact harbor a willingness to ethnically cleanse Jews from the region.</p> <p><br /> What is the goal? Cosmopolitan society? (Haifa in Israel, Haifa in Lebanon, Haifa in Syria, Haifa in Ramallah). Multi-cultural society? (Judaic Jerusalem in West Jerusalem, Islamic Jerusalem in East Jerusalem)</p> <p>What is the goal?</p> Hamas rockets were attempted murder. To pander to that thinking is of VERY questionable moral merit.

The reform of the Lobby that is needed is to shift from unconditional animosity to a conditional approach.

How can you tell the players? Difficult. Some Israelis that describe their thinking and policy as conditional, in fact harbor expansionist objectives. Some dissenters that describe their thinking and proposal (if they get that far) as conditional, in fact harbor a willingness to ethnically cleanse Jews from the region.

What is the goal? Cosmopolitan society? (Haifa in Israel, Haifa in Lebanon, Haifa in Syria, Haifa in Ramallah). Multi-cultural society? (Judaic Jerusalem in West Jerusalem, Islamic Jerusalem in East Jerusalem)

What is the goal?

]]> By: morris http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html/comment-page-1#comment-23004 morris Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/25/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html#comment-23004 <p>Carrying on from my previous comment: it is impossible to reform organised Jewry;</p> <p>How many commenters here with their intellects at work, actually realize the sheer skulduggery of actions required of Israelis and Jews to maintain the empire.</p> <p>Drafted by myth and deception into going against the human spirit, left with a smile as their exploits are rewarded.</p> Carrying on from my previous comment: it is impossible to reform organised Jewry;

How many commenters here with their intellects at work, actually realize the sheer skulduggery of actions required of Israelis and Jews to maintain the empire.

Drafted by myth and deception into going against the human spirit, left with a smile as their exploits are rewarded.

]]> By: Rowan http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html/comment-page-1#comment-23005 Rowan Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/25/blankfort-agrees-you-cant-reform-the-lobby-from-inside-the-jewish-community.html#comment-23005 <p>Richard, wtf are you waffling about?</p> Richard, wtf are you waffling about?

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