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	<title>Comments on: Daniel Pipes claims victory in the Freeman fight, but the battle for US foreign policy is just beginning</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe it was just the right.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Can you take the time remind people that not all organizations and people that are included in the vague description &quot;Israel Lobby&quot; participated in the character assassination described.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just so that the pendulum doesn&#039;t swing to silence a wider swath than necessary.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it was just the right.</p>
<p>Can you take the time remind people that not all organizations and people that are included in the vague description &quot;Israel Lobby&quot; participated in the character assassination described.</p>
<p>Just so that the pendulum doesn&#39;t swing to silence a wider swath than necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I congratulate Steve and am proud of this early achievement by the Forum&#039;s newly created Washington Project.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Great work.  &lt;br /&gt;
I got a kick out of Joe Klein&#039;s statement: &lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Barack Obama should take note. The thugs have taken out Chas Freeman. They will not rest. Their real target is you, Mr. President.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
What a moron.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I congratulate Steve and am proud of this early achievement by the Forum&#39;s newly created Washington Project.&quot;</p>
<p>Great work.  <br />
I got a kick out of Joe Klein&#39;s statement: <br />
&quot;Barack Obama should take note. The thugs have taken out Chas Freeman. They will not rest. Their real target is you, Mr. President.&quot;<br />
What a moron.  </p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kelly</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/daniel-pipes-takes-credit-for-freeman-takedown.html/comment-page-1#comment-26232</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Steve Rosen is the epitome of the power of the Lobby and Israel advocates generally. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here is a man indicted for espionage and he has a powerful platform to expound his ideas. If the shoe were on the other foot, and he were not in the Lobby camp and was making criticisms of Israel, he would be vilified to no end due to his indictment (yes, I know, innocent until proven guilty, but the fact is that the normal course for public figures who are indicted on such serious charges is to lay low and wait - certainly not to have such a prominent voice as evidently Rosen does). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, if the shoe were on the other foot, Rosen wouldn&#039;t be in his position in the first place, because the only thing that keeps such a man in the position of influence he wields now is his loyalty to Israel. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is no better example of the immense power of the Lobby in all its various forms, of the incredible shield being an advocate for Israel grants someone from the usual repercussions due to unethical behavior, alleged or proven.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Rosen is the epitome of the power of the Lobby and Israel advocates generally. </p>
<p>Here is a man indicted for espionage and he has a powerful platform to expound his ideas. If the shoe were on the other foot, and he were not in the Lobby camp and was making criticisms of Israel, he would be vilified to no end due to his indictment (yes, I know, innocent until proven guilty, but the fact is that the normal course for public figures who are indicted on such serious charges is to lay low and wait &#8211; certainly not to have such a prominent voice as evidently Rosen does). </p>
<p>Of course, if the shoe were on the other foot, Rosen wouldn&#39;t be in his position in the first place, because the only thing that keeps such a man in the position of influence he wields now is his loyalty to Israel. </p>
<p>There is no better example of the immense power of the Lobby in all its various forms, of the incredible shield being an advocate for Israel grants someone from the usual repercussions due to unethical behavior, alleged or proven.</p>
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		<title>By: stevieb</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevieb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unbelievable that the media would ignore the fact that Steve Rosen is as we know awaiting trial for passing classified documents to the Israeli government.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Btw Richard, one needn&#039;t participate directly to partake in the character assassination described.  And it is unfortunately necessary that the pendulum swing very wide indeed if you want the nation to have any hope of survival. &lt;br /&gt;
.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable that the media would ignore the fact that Steve Rosen is as we know awaiting trial for passing classified documents to the Israeli government.</p>
<p>Btw Richard, one needn&#39;t participate directly to partake in the character assassination described.  And it is unfortunately necessary that the pendulum swing very wide indeed if you want the nation to have any hope of survival. <br />
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		<title>By: doppler</title>
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		<dc:creator>doppler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chas Freeman describes what is needed as &quot;a constituency for peace.&quot;  How about a constituency against the Neocon Lobby.  Their lies, conniving, influencing, are enabling the slaughter of children.  Yet they continue to get their vile opinions stovepiped to the nation&#039;s op-ed pages, with their true nature, or even plain-as-day opposition statements concerning their true nature, studiously ignored and suppressed.  What they did to Chas Freeman appears to be a high profile Washington version of what they do to every newspaper person who would report the news, every book editor, every university president and faculty senate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not just the Democratic party that are a bunch of wimps, but the whole intellectual establishment.  And they will be until they stop enabling this bullying.  And that means starting to recognize that only those who draw fire from these bullies are pursuing truth, and the rest are just pretending.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas Freeman describes what is needed as &quot;a constituency for peace.&quot;  How about a constituency against the Neocon Lobby.  Their lies, conniving, influencing, are enabling the slaughter of children.  Yet they continue to get their vile opinions stovepiped to the nation&#39;s op-ed pages, with their true nature, or even plain-as-day opposition statements concerning their true nature, studiously ignored and suppressed.  What they did to Chas Freeman appears to be a high profile Washington version of what they do to every newspaper person who would report the news, every book editor, every university president and faculty senate.</p>
<p>It&#39;s not just the Democratic party that are a bunch of wimps, but the whole intellectual establishment.  And they will be until they stop enabling this bullying.  And that means starting to recognize that only those who draw fire from these bullies are pursuing truth, and the rest are just pretending.</p>
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		<title>By: jim byers</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim byers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A Wapo editorial today call for the dismisal of Rosen and Weissman in the AIPAC espionage trial. There are some fascinating exchanges in the debate. One point is that since all aid to Israel is not audited that probably it is used to bolster campaigns here in the US to uphold Israel&#039;s influence. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/10/AR2009031003026_pf.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Wapo editorial today call for the dismisal of Rosen and Weissman in the AIPAC espionage trial. There are some fascinating exchanges in the debate. One point is that since all aid to Israel is not audited that probably it is used to bolster campaigns here in the US to uphold Israel&#39;s influence. </p>
<p>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/10/AR2009031003026_pf.html</p>
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		<title>By: passerby</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/daniel-pipes-takes-credit-for-freeman-takedown.html/comment-page-1#comment-26236</link>
		<dc:creator>passerby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;stevieb, witty is more concerned that Israel survive than the USA survive. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stevieb, witty is more concerned that Israel survive than the USA survive. </p>
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		<title>By: Amalek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amalek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another fascinating commentary on the AIPAC &quot;trial&quot;, if you haven&#039;t seen it:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/030509/opedAIPACtwo.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another fascinating commentary on the AIPAC &quot;trial&quot;, if you haven&#39;t seen it:</p>
<p>http://www.njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/030509/opedAIPACtwo.html</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I LOVE Daniel Pipes! &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m glad this nasty fight between Islamist sympathizers and pro-Western forces is out on the table.  It was  long coming.   Let&#039;s settle it once and for all.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE Daniel Pipes! </p>
<p>I&#39;m glad this nasty fight between Islamist sympathizers and pro-Western forces is out on the table.  It was  long coming.   Let&#39;s settle it once and for all.</p>
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		<title>By: Sin Nombre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sin Nombre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RIchard Witty wrote:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Can you take the time remind people that not all organizations and people that are included in the vague description &quot;Israel Lobby&quot; participated in the character assassination described.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think this is spot on. This went beyond mere the &quot;mere&quot; lobbying and etc. that &quot;the lobby&quot; ordinarily engages in. It was in essence nothing less than an operation of a smaller cabal, who see themselves as soldiers essentially willing to engage in war-like tactics against even the most obvious American patriots and interests. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And people should recognize this; because they do see themselves as soldiers they didn&#039;t really care about their weapon, which is why they mostly tried to smear Freeman with allegations not connected to Israel, like his supposed fealty to the Saudis or the Chinese. They had a mission, and arguments or facts or whatever were totally irrelevant to them, like arguments and facts are to bullets. And every American, no matter how patriotic, ought to now know that they are threatened too. Indeed, making that threat as manifest as possible was no doubt another intended goal of the mission. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIchard Witty wrote:</p>
<p>&quot;Can you take the time remind people that not all organizations and people that are included in the vague description &quot;Israel Lobby&quot; participated in the character assassination described.&quot;</p>
<p>I think this is spot on. This went beyond mere the &quot;mere&quot; lobbying and etc. that &quot;the lobby&quot; ordinarily engages in. It was in essence nothing less than an operation of a smaller cabal, who see themselves as soldiers essentially willing to engage in war-like tactics against even the most obvious American patriots and interests. </p>
<p>And people should recognize this; because they do see themselves as soldiers they didn&#39;t really care about their weapon, which is why they mostly tried to smear Freeman with allegations not connected to Israel, like his supposed fealty to the Saudis or the Chinese. They had a mission, and arguments or facts or whatever were totally irrelevant to them, like arguments and facts are to bullets. And every American, no matter how patriotic, ought to now know that they are threatened too. Indeed, making that threat as manifest as possible was no doubt another intended goal of the mission. </p></p>
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