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		<title>By: Dan Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stephens is completely wrong about the left and Congo. Leftist peace sites have much information on the Congo. There has always been much more attention paid to every other atrocity in the world on leftist peace sites, EXCEPT for Israel&#039;s brutal, illegal occupation of Palestine. It&#039;s only very recently that the issue has begun to see light in the &quot;peace&quot; camp.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is standard operating procedure for Zionists and Israel apologists. They make it seem like Israel is always singled out, when in fact the exact opposite is true: Israel gets the best treatment in the world (I am talking about in mainstream news sources, of course). &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephens is completely wrong about the left and Congo. Leftist peace sites have much information on the Congo. There has always been much more attention paid to every other atrocity in the world on leftist peace sites, EXCEPT for Israel&#39;s brutal, illegal occupation of Palestine. It&#39;s only very recently that the issue has begun to see light in the &quot;peace&quot; camp.</p>
<p>This is standard operating procedure for Zionists and Israel apologists. They make it seem like Israel is always singled out, when in fact the exact opposite is true: Israel gets the best treatment in the world (I am talking about in mainstream news sources, of course). </p>
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		<title>By: Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(1) Lebanon was &lt;b&gt;part of Syria&lt;/b&gt; until it was carved off byt he French to create a puppet Christian enclave;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(2) I thought &quot;Stockholm syndrome&quot; referred to a condition in which hostages fall in love with, or otherwise emotionally identify with, their kidnappers. If I am right, then what the hell is the comparison saying? That &#039;the West&#039; has been shanghaied by oil sheikhs? Give us a break already.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(3)0 Stertorous breathing, red face, etc.; i wonder if Foxman&#039;s an alcoholic.  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) Lebanon was <b>part of Syria</b> until it was carved off byt he French to create a puppet Christian enclave;</p>
<p>(2) I thought &quot;Stockholm syndrome&quot; referred to a condition in which hostages fall in love with, or otherwise emotionally identify with, their kidnappers. If I am right, then what the hell is the comparison saying? That &#39;the West&#39; has been shanghaied by oil sheikhs? Give us a break already.</p>
<p>(3)0 Stertorous breathing, red face, etc.; i wonder if Foxman&#39;s an alcoholic.  </p>
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		<title>By: Shirazi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to agree with Stephens in that we Jews have become our own worst enemy, as its been for centuries (best example would be the sectarian infighting just prior to and during the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 71-73 AD).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The fact that Phil and others can even make a claim for supporting the Palestinian position is more a direct result of leftists/liberals/dissenters/whatever-you-want-to-call-them in Israel than of Israel&#039;s conduct. Of course, you all will disagree. Fine. But it is these &quot;Ha&#039;aretz Jews&quot; who have given your cause a voice, and without them, Phil wouldn&#039;t have all those Jews to cite in support of his views, and you all wouldn&#039;t have Phil to cite for yours.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s hard to find another &quot;people,&quot; a segment of which is so committed to their own destruction. God&#039;s will, I suppose....&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Stephens in that we Jews have become our own worst enemy, as its been for centuries (best example would be the sectarian infighting just prior to and during the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 71-73 AD).</p>
<p>The fact that Phil and others can even make a claim for supporting the Palestinian position is more a direct result of leftists/liberals/dissenters/whatever-you-want-to-call-them in Israel than of Israel&#39;s conduct. Of course, you all will disagree. Fine. But it is these &quot;Ha&#39;aretz Jews&quot; who have given your cause a voice, and without them, Phil wouldn&#39;t have all those Jews to cite in support of his views, and you all wouldn&#39;t have Phil to cite for yours.</p>
<p>It&#39;s hard to find another &quot;people,&quot; a segment of which is so committed to their own destruction. God&#39;s will, I suppose&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirazi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t see what Foxman&#039;s physical appearance has anything to do with his message. Kind of a shallow cheap shot, if you ask me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;@Dan Kelly: Perhaps both are true -- Israel gets favorable treatment and, at the same time and perhaps as a result, is always singled out.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t see what Foxman&#39;s physical appearance has anything to do with his message. Kind of a shallow cheap shot, if you ask me.</p>
<p>@Dan Kelly: Perhaps both are true &#8212; Israel gets favorable treatment and, at the same time and perhaps as a result, is always singled out.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt; Foxman and Stephens should follow the injunction:&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;Do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God&quot;{Micah 6:8}.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is simple, they must stop supporting those stealing the properety of their neighbour.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;John&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Foxman and Stephens should follow the injunction:<br />
&#39;Do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God&quot;{Micah 6:8}.</p>
<p>It is simple, they must stop supporting those stealing the properety of their neighbour.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: MRW.</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRW.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I don&#039;t see what Foxman&#039;s physical appearance has anything to do with his message. Kind of a shallow cheap shot, if you ask me.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do you read books? Writing teachers force students to use physical details to create character and amplify what they say. Physical appearance is paramount.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I remember Foxman from my NYC days. Judging from what I just read about him above, he&#039;s got to fight fast and furious everyday to keep the threat alive or he wont get the donations that justify &lt;i&gt;his&lt;/i&gt; occupation of the ADL.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don&#39;t see what Foxman&#39;s physical appearance has anything to do with his message. Kind of a shallow cheap shot, if you ask me.</i></p>
<p>Do you read books? Writing teachers force students to use physical details to create character and amplify what they say. Physical appearance is paramount.</p>
<p>I remember Foxman from my NYC days. Judging from what I just read about him above, he&#39;s got to fight fast and furious everyday to keep the threat alive or he wont get the donations that justify <i>his</i> occupation of the ADL.</p>
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		<title>By: bar_kochba132</title>
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		<dc:creator>bar_kochba132</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Phil has Rudavsky saying:&lt;br /&gt;
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I am going to dispense with Rudavsky right at the start because he was very good and restrained, for instance, saying that everyone loved Israel after &#039;67 and now everyone despises it &lt;br /&gt;
--------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, Phil, you know that it isn&#039;t true that &quot;everyone despises it&quot;. Who is &quot;everyone&quot;? Are you using the old Marxist notion that &quot;the masses&quot; that you talk about are really &quot;the people whose opinion counts...i.e. those who agree with us&quot;?  Recent polls taken AFTER the Gaza war say that something like 70% of Americans support Israel 17% support the Palestinians. So who is &quot;everybody&quot;? &quot;Everybody&quot; it turns out is Phil, the 10 members of his fan club who regularly post comments here agreeing with him, some other &quot;progressives&quot; like Tony Karon, MJ Rosenberg and Richard Silverstein, and people of Arab or Muslim origin whom I don&#039;t expect to love Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil has Rudavsky saying:<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
I am going to dispense with Rudavsky right at the start because he was very good and restrained, for instance, saying that everyone loved Israel after &#39;67 and now everyone despises it <br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>Now, Phil, you know that it isn&#39;t true that &quot;everyone despises it&quot;. Who is &quot;everyone&quot;? Are you using the old Marxist notion that &quot;the masses&quot; that you talk about are really &quot;the people whose opinion counts&#8230;i.e. those who agree with us&quot;?  Recent polls taken AFTER the Gaza war say that something like 70% of Americans support Israel 17% support the Palestinians. So who is &quot;everybody&quot;? &quot;Everybody&quot; it turns out is Phil, the 10 members of his fan club who regularly post comments here agreeing with him, some other &quot;progressives&quot; like Tony Karon, MJ Rosenberg and Richard Silverstein, and people of Arab or Muslim origin whom I don&#39;t expect to love Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: David F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would like to ask Foxman, that if Judaism is Zionism, Zionism is Israeli Nationalism, and Jews are therefore by definition Israeli Nationalists, does he think that it is impossible for a Jew to be a loyal American?  Should these Israeli Nationalists (all non-self-hating Jews) be legally encouraged to return to their &quot;homeland&quot;?  Should they be forced to register as foreign agents?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I recall that the Nazis did not supress Zionist publications and advocates, in part because Goebbels found it so useful to quote them.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to ask Foxman, that if Judaism is Zionism, Zionism is Israeli Nationalism, and Jews are therefore by definition Israeli Nationalists, does he think that it is impossible for a Jew to be a loyal American?  Should these Israeli Nationalists (all non-self-hating Jews) be legally encouraged to return to their &quot;homeland&quot;?  Should they be forced to register as foreign agents?</p>
<p>I recall that the Nazis did not supress Zionist publications and advocates, in part because Goebbels found it so useful to quote them.</p>
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		<title>By: David F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David F.</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Give Foxman some credit for finally admitting that Zionism, like other nationalist movements, is &quot;racist&quot; (at least according to the typical left-wing usage of this nebulous term).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now I expect him to quit pestering Vdare, American Renaissance, FAIR, and Kevin MacDonald.  We&#039;re nationalists, okay?  Just like you!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give Foxman some credit for finally admitting that Zionism, like other nationalist movements, is &quot;racist&quot; (at least according to the typical left-wing usage of this nebulous term).</p>
<p>Now I expect him to quit pestering Vdare, American Renaissance, FAIR, and Kevin MacDonald.  We&#39;re nationalists, okay?  Just like you!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I actually almost agree with Foxman about nationalism. What the Zionists have done over the last sixty years (actually more than that, if we count the earlier work of the Stern Gang and others) really isn&#039;t that different from what white Europeans did in America and Australia. It&#039;s people arriving in a foreign land and saying to its pre-existing population, &quot;This is our land now. You get lost.&quot; There is usually a mythology about it too; just as Mafiosi (according to the movies, at least) prefer to think of themselves as &quot;businessmen&quot; rather than gangsters, conquerors have their myths of divine right, manifest destiny, or what have you -- in Israel&#039;s case, the notion that God gave this land to the Jews forever, so it doesn&#039;t matter how long it&#039;s been or how long these Arabs have been living here, the land is still ours and we&#039;re taking it back, every last bit of it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What the Israelis are doing isn&#039;t any different from what conquering peoples have done to conquered peoples throughout history; it&#039;s just that the world has (for the most part) decided that that&#039;s no longer acceptable. We now have ideas of universal human rights and international law, we have the United Nations, and so on. This leaves Israel and its supporters with a time problem; the world has passed their ideas by and they can&#039;t recognize or accept that. Just as Israel wants to pretend that pre-Diaspora Jewish possession of Palestine is still relevant, Foxman wants to pretend that the pre-20th-century moral perspective that supported imperialism and colonialism is still applicable.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually almost agree with Foxman about nationalism. What the Zionists have done over the last sixty years (actually more than that, if we count the earlier work of the Stern Gang and others) really isn&#39;t that different from what white Europeans did in America and Australia. It&#39;s people arriving in a foreign land and saying to its pre-existing population, &quot;This is our land now. You get lost.&quot; There is usually a mythology about it too; just as Mafiosi (according to the movies, at least) prefer to think of themselves as &quot;businessmen&quot; rather than gangsters, conquerors have their myths of divine right, manifest destiny, or what have you &#8212; in Israel&#39;s case, the notion that God gave this land to the Jews forever, so it doesn&#39;t matter how long it&#39;s been or how long these Arabs have been living here, the land is still ours and we&#39;re taking it back, every last bit of it.</p>
<p>What the Israelis are doing isn&#39;t any different from what conquering peoples have done to conquered peoples throughout history; it&#39;s just that the world has (for the most part) decided that that&#39;s no longer acceptable. We now have ideas of universal human rights and international law, we have the United Nations, and so on. This leaves Israel and its supporters with a time problem; the world has passed their ideas by and they can&#39;t recognize or accept that. Just as Israel wants to pretend that pre-Diaspora Jewish possession of Palestine is still relevant, Foxman wants to pretend that the pre-20th-century moral perspective that supported imperialism and colonialism is still applicable.</p>
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