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		<title>By: syvanen</title>
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		<dc:creator>syvanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Uri Avnery in today&#039;s counterpunch.org has a good analysis of and prediction for the new Netanyahoo govt.  Basically it is being set up to perpetuate a big lie. The question, will the Obama adminstration find it easier to let itself be deceived or not. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uri Avnery in today&#39;s counterpunch.org has a good analysis of and prediction for the new Netanyahoo govt.  Basically it is being set up to perpetuate a big lie. The question, will the Obama adminstration find it easier to let itself be deceived or not. </p>
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		<title>By: Conscientious Objector</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conscientious Objector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We often believe we are more &quot;high-information&quot; than even our elected officials on this topic.  Obama and his team has everything they need to know about Netanyahu and his cabinet.  The question is not whether Obama will be deceived, but will he continue to be passively complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The judgment of history has been unkind to America for not getting involved in World War II sooner to save Jewish lives from the Nazis.  Is history repeating itself two generations later?  And will Obama permit his legacy to be defined as the American president who had the last clear chance of preventing a people from being annihilated with US-taxpayer funded weapons, and did nothing?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Deceit has nothing to do with it -- Obama has eyes-open clarity of the war crimes committed by the previous administration which was under the spell of the &quot;Clean Break&quot; neo-con cabal.  He was elected in large part because of his repudiation of the sins of the neo-con infiltrated Republican party.  After caving on the Freeman issue, the coming weeks will be the litmus test to see whether Obama is mere rhetoric, or an agent of change.   &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We often believe we are more &quot;high-information&quot; than even our elected officials on this topic.  Obama and his team has everything they need to know about Netanyahu and his cabinet.  The question is not whether Obama will be deceived, but will he continue to be passively complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.  </p>
<p>The judgment of history has been unkind to America for not getting involved in World War II sooner to save Jewish lives from the Nazis.  Is history repeating itself two generations later?  And will Obama permit his legacy to be defined as the American president who had the last clear chance of preventing a people from being annihilated with US-taxpayer funded weapons, and did nothing?</p>
<p>Deceit has nothing to do with it &#8212; Obama has eyes-open clarity of the war crimes committed by the previous administration which was under the spell of the &quot;Clean Break&quot; neo-con cabal.  He was elected in large part because of his repudiation of the sins of the neo-con infiltrated Republican party.  After caving on the Freeman issue, the coming weeks will be the litmus test to see whether Obama is mere rhetoric, or an agent of change.   </p>
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		<title>By: Crimson Ghost</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crimson Ghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here is another issue that will put Obama and Congress to the test.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Title &quot;Israeli Nuclear Arsenal Prohibits US Foreign Aid Under Symington&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;WASHINGTON, March 31 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The American &lt;br /&gt;
Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and Zionist Organization of America &lt;br /&gt;
(ZOA) are heavily lobbying Congress for $2.775 billion in military aid to Israel. &lt;br /&gt;
However credible reports from the US Army and a former president confirm &lt;br /&gt;
the existence of an Israeli nuclear weapons arsenal. This could prohibit US &lt;br /&gt;
taxpayer funded fiscal year 2010 foreign aid.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The declassified US Army report titled &quot;The Joint Operating Environment 2008&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
identifies Israel as a nuclear weapons power. Specifically the US Army highlights &lt;br /&gt;
&quot;a growing arc of nuclear powers running from Israel in the west through an &lt;br /&gt;
emerging Iran to Pakistan, India, and on to China, North Korea, and Russia &lt;br /&gt;
in the east.&quot; Jimmy Carter became the first former President to confirm in 2008 &lt;br /&gt;
that Israel has secretly financed, developed and deployed an undeclared &lt;br /&gt;
arsenal of nuclear weapons.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 as amended by the Symington Amendment &lt;br /&gt;
of 1976 and the Glenn Amendment of 1977 prohibit US military assistance to &lt;br /&gt;
countries that acquire or transfer nuclear reprocessing technology outside of &lt;br /&gt;
international nonproliferation regimes. Israel, unlike Iran, is not a signatory to &lt;br /&gt;
the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. If Congress wishes to provide US taxpayer &lt;br /&gt;
funded foreign aid to Israel in compliance with US law, it may do so only under &lt;br /&gt;
a special waiver from the office of the President as in the case for Pakistan.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Upholding the Symington Amendment could be an early litmus test as Congress &lt;br /&gt;
and Executive branch strive to restore public confidence in the aftermath of the &lt;br /&gt;
US invasion of Iraq and global financial crisis. According to IRmep director of &lt;br /&gt;
research Grant F. Smith, &quot;Governance depends on rule of law-- it is imperiled &lt;br /&gt;
if government openly flouts important laws. It is no longer acceptable for &lt;br /&gt;
Congress or the President to invoke &#039;strategic ambiguity,&#039; a practice whereby &lt;br /&gt;
US government officials publicly pretend to the American people that Israel &lt;br /&gt;
possesses no nuclear weapons.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Links to the US army report on nuclear proliferation may be found at the Israel &lt;br /&gt;
Lobby Archive: http://IRmep.org/ila/. The Archive is a unit of the Institute for Research: &lt;br /&gt;
Middle Eastern Policy in Washington. The Archive digitizes declassified &lt;br /&gt;
documents obtained through Freedom of Information Act filings with law &lt;br /&gt;
enforcement, intelligence, and trade agencies. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://tinyurl.com/WSJ-Nukes&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is another issue that will put Obama and Congress to the test.</p>
<p>
Title &quot;Israeli Nuclear Arsenal Prohibits US Foreign Aid Under Symington&quot;</p>
<p>WASHINGTON, March 31 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ &#8212; The American <br />
Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and Zionist Organization of America <br />
(ZOA) are heavily lobbying Congress for $2.775 billion in military aid to Israel. <br />
However credible reports from the US Army and a former president confirm <br />
the existence of an Israeli nuclear weapons arsenal. This could prohibit US <br />
taxpayer funded fiscal year 2010 foreign aid.</p>
<p>The declassified US Army report titled &quot;The Joint Operating Environment 2008&quot; <br />
identifies Israel as a nuclear weapons power. Specifically the US Army highlights <br />
&quot;a growing arc of nuclear powers running from Israel in the west through an <br />
emerging Iran to Pakistan, India, and on to China, North Korea, and Russia <br />
in the east.&quot; Jimmy Carter became the first former President to confirm in 2008 <br />
that Israel has secretly financed, developed and deployed an undeclared <br />
arsenal of nuclear weapons.</p>
<p>The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 as amended by the Symington Amendment <br />
of 1976 and the Glenn Amendment of 1977 prohibit US military assistance to <br />
countries that acquire or transfer nuclear reprocessing technology outside of <br />
international nonproliferation regimes. Israel, unlike Iran, is not a signatory to <br />
the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. If Congress wishes to provide US taxpayer <br />
funded foreign aid to Israel in compliance with US law, it may do so only under <br />
a special waiver from the office of the President as in the case for Pakistan.</p>
<p>Upholding the Symington Amendment could be an early litmus test as Congress <br />
and Executive branch strive to restore public confidence in the aftermath of the <br />
US invasion of Iraq and global financial crisis. According to IRmep director of <br />
research Grant F. Smith, &quot;Governance depends on rule of law&#8211; it is imperiled <br />
if government openly flouts important laws. It is no longer acceptable for <br />
Congress or the President to invoke &#39;strategic ambiguity,&#39; a practice whereby <br />
US government officials publicly pretend to the American people that Israel <br />
possesses no nuclear weapons.&quot;</p>
<p>Links to the US army report on nuclear proliferation may be found at the Israel <br />
Lobby Archive: <a href="http://IRmep.org/ila/.">link to IRmep.org</a><br /> The Archive is a unit of the Institute for Research: <br />
Middle Eastern Policy in Washington. The Archive digitizes declassified <br />
documents obtained through Freedom of Information Act filings with law <br />
enforcement, intelligence, and trade agencies. </p>
<p>http://tinyurl.com/WSJ-Nukes</p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: &quot;Israeli Nuclear Arsenal Prohibits US Foreign Aid Under Symington&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;MY CONTRIBUTION -  Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis elaborated in Olmstead v. United States (1928): &quot;In a government of law, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &quot;Israeli Nuclear Arsenal Prohibits US Foreign Aid Under Symington&quot;</p>
<p>MY CONTRIBUTION &#8211;  Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis elaborated in Olmstead v. United States (1928): &quot;In a government of law, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.&quot; </p>
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		<title>By: syvanen</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/netanyahu-comes-in-talking-iran.html/comment-page-1#comment-21573</link>
		<dc:creator>syvanen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Conscientious Objector I guess Avnery was too subtle for you. I will point out what he was saying. The new government in Israel will come on with a big lie. If Obama wants to fight them he will have to take that on. If not, he allow himself to be &quot;deceived&quot;. This will give him political cover. See. Get it. We all know that they all understand. The game is to deceive the public so they believe &quot;there is no one to talk to&quot;, &#039;it is just too complicated to deal with&#039;. or whatever bs line they create.  The point of all this is that there is going to be a major propaganda line coming soon from Israel as to how they really want peace. They will be bending over backwards. The hasbara will be out in force claiming how this proves Israel seeks peace. Then it will all fall apart and the argument will become &quot;now whose fault was that&quot;. In the meantime another 1000 Palestinian homes will be bulldozed and another 1000 homes built in the colonies.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That is what is coming up.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conscientious Objector I guess Avnery was too subtle for you. I will point out what he was saying. The new government in Israel will come on with a big lie. If Obama wants to fight them he will have to take that on. If not, he allow himself to be &quot;deceived&quot;. This will give him political cover. See. Get it. We all know that they all understand. The game is to deceive the public so they believe &quot;there is no one to talk to&quot;, &#39;it is just too complicated to deal with&#39;. or whatever bs line they create.  The point of all this is that there is going to be a major propaganda line coming soon from Israel as to how they really want peace. They will be bending over backwards. The hasbara will be out in force claiming how this proves Israel seeks peace. Then it will all fall apart and the argument will become &quot;now whose fault was that&quot;. In the meantime another 1000 Palestinian homes will be bulldozed and another 1000 homes built in the colonies.</p>
<p>That is what is coming up.</p>
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		<title>By: ...</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, actually as of today there currently is a nuclear power in the world with a composite leadership with &quot;elements of wide-eyed fanaticism,&quot; and Mr. Netanyahu heads it. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;yes... try conveying that to a zionist and see where it gets you...&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, actually as of today there currently is a nuclear power in the world with a composite leadership with &quot;elements of wide-eyed fanaticism,&quot; and Mr. Netanyahu heads it. </p>
<p>yes&#8230; try conveying that to a zionist and see where it gets you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sin Nombre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sin Nombre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Conscientious Objector wrote:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;The judgment of history has been unkind to America for not getting involved in World War II sooner to save Jewish lives from the Nazis.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Um, firstly I don&#039;t think anyone believes that even when America did get involved in World War II it was to save jewish lives from the Nazis. It got involved because Hitler essentially declared war on the U.S. simultaneously with Japan&#039;s attack on Pearl Harbor. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Secondly, lots of the industrialized killing of jews by the Nazis didn&#039;t start until later in the war. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thirdly, even after it had started the scope of that killing wasn&#039;t even known for sure. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Fourthly, and not to put too fine a point on it for one who purports to speak for &quot;the judgment of history,&quot; but there&#039;s lots of people whose view of things is that even if those killings had started earlier and had been fully known, the U.S. still should not have gone to war trying to stop same. And that&#039;s true not only because it probably could not even have accomplished same under those circumstances, but because U.S. citizens had no duty to go get themselves killed on that account. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And of course while one can say that they did have that duty, then one also has to say that they had that same duty to go to war with the Soviet Union who was killing tens of millions, and, later, China under Mao which killed more, and perhaps on and on fighting all other kinds of endless wars against foreign monsters.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conscientious Objector wrote:</p>
<p>&quot;The judgment of history has been unkind to America for not getting involved in World War II sooner to save Jewish lives from the Nazis.&quot;</p>
<p>Um, firstly I don&#39;t think anyone believes that even when America did get involved in World War II it was to save jewish lives from the Nazis. It got involved because Hitler essentially declared war on the U.S. simultaneously with Japan&#39;s attack on Pearl Harbor. </p>
<p>Secondly, lots of the industrialized killing of jews by the Nazis didn&#39;t start until later in the war. </p>
<p>Thirdly, even after it had started the scope of that killing wasn&#39;t even known for sure. </p>
<p>Fourthly, and not to put too fine a point on it for one who purports to speak for &quot;the judgment of history,&quot; but there&#39;s lots of people whose view of things is that even if those killings had started earlier and had been fully known, the U.S. still should not have gone to war trying to stop same. And that&#39;s true not only because it probably could not even have accomplished same under those circumstances, but because U.S. citizens had no duty to go get themselves killed on that account. </p>
<p>And of course while one can say that they did have that duty, then one also has to say that they had that same duty to go to war with the Soviet Union who was killing tens of millions, and, later, China under Mao which killed more, and perhaps on and on fighting all other kinds of endless wars against foreign monsters.</p>
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		<title>By: tommy</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All nuclear powers and would-be nuclear powers have elements of wild-eyed fanaticism within their leaderships. Israel, in particular, is a nation/state whose leaders explicitly justify its existence on religious identification, going as far to rationalize its geographical location on territory their god promised to their &#039;ancestors&#039; thousands of years ago. Israel&#039;s religion is also messianic. Israel is no less wild-eyed than Iran, and probably more nationally fanatic about expanding its boundaries and using military force. Iran has not exhibited any of the aggression ascribed to it, but its combined opposition to US and Saudi Arabian hegemony and Israeli military aggression has made it a frequent target of continuous market saturated lies. If Israel should strike Iran it would demonstrate which of the two nations is most prone to acting out its dark phantasies. The US, unfortunately, does it all the time.   &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All nuclear powers and would-be nuclear powers have elements of wild-eyed fanaticism within their leaderships. Israel, in particular, is a nation/state whose leaders explicitly justify its existence on religious identification, going as far to rationalize its geographical location on territory their god promised to their &#39;ancestors&#39; thousands of years ago. Israel&#39;s religion is also messianic. Israel is no less wild-eyed than Iran, and probably more nationally fanatic about expanding its boundaries and using military force. Iran has not exhibited any of the aggression ascribed to it, but its combined opposition to US and Saudi Arabian hegemony and Israeli military aggression has made it a frequent target of continuous market saturated lies. If Israel should strike Iran it would demonstrate which of the two nations is most prone to acting out its dark phantasies. The US, unfortunately, does it all the time.   </p>
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		<title>By: Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Um, firstly I don&#039;t think anyone believes that even when America did get involved in World War II it was to save jewish lives from the Nazis. It got involved because Hitler essentially declared war on the U.S. simultaneously with Japan&#039;s attack on Pearl Harbor... Posted by: Sin Nombre &#124; March 31, 2009 at 09:33 PM&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I think it is clear that the USA deliberately forced Japan to declare war on it, by blockading its oil supplies. The logical inference is that the US, Britain, and Russia had reached a secret understanding to re-divide the colonial empires, as they eventually did at Yalta, and that the US entered the war on the basis of this secret understanding. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Um, firstly I don&#39;t think anyone believes that even when America did get involved in World War II it was to save jewish lives from the Nazis. It got involved because Hitler essentially declared war on the U.S. simultaneously with Japan&#39;s attack on Pearl Harbor&#8230; Posted by: Sin Nombre | March 31, 2009 at 09:33 PM</i><br />
I think it is clear that the USA deliberately forced Japan to declare war on it, by blockading its oil supplies. The logical inference is that the US, Britain, and Russia had reached a secret understanding to re-divide the colonial empires, as they eventually did at Yalta, and that the US entered the war on the basis of this secret understanding. </p>
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		<title>By: Sin Nombre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sin Nombre</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rowan:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A.) Nothing you said conflicts with the central point of my post that America did not get involved in WWII to save jewish lives. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;B.) For what it&#039;s worth I don&#039;t think you can prove that &quot;the USA deliberately forced Japan to declare war on it.&quot; (Not least because the whole idea that I can somehow &quot;force&quot; you to declare war on me would seem to have its weaknesses.) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;C.) Nor even accepting your &quot;forced&quot; assertion anyway is it a &quot;logical inference&quot; that he USA forced Japan into war pursuant to an agreement with Britain and whoever else &quot;to re-divide the colonial empires.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A logical *possibility,* yes. No different than the logical possibility that it was caused by little green men from Pluto.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A logically *possible* inference even, yes. As one amongst the cosmos of all possible inferences, such as that it was indeed little green men from Pluto. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But not a &quot;logical inference.&quot; An inference is a belief, not a person or process. A person or process can be logical, but a belief can only be logically *arrived* at or not. Just as a cracker box cannot be said to be &quot;logical.&quot;   &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rowan:</p>
<p>A.) Nothing you said conflicts with the central point of my post that America did not get involved in WWII to save jewish lives. </p>
<p>B.) For what it&#39;s worth I don&#39;t think you can prove that &quot;the USA deliberately forced Japan to declare war on it.&quot; (Not least because the whole idea that I can somehow &quot;force&quot; you to declare war on me would seem to have its weaknesses.) </p>
<p>C.) Nor even accepting your &quot;forced&quot; assertion anyway is it a &quot;logical inference&quot; that he USA forced Japan into war pursuant to an agreement with Britain and whoever else &quot;to re-divide the colonial empires.&quot; </p>
<p>A logical *possibility,* yes. No different than the logical possibility that it was caused by little green men from Pluto.</p>
<p>A logically *possible* inference even, yes. As one amongst the cosmos of all possible inferences, such as that it was indeed little green men from Pluto. </p>
<p>But not a &quot;logical inference.&quot; An inference is a belief, not a person or process. A person or process can be logical, but a belief can only be logically *arrived* at or not. Just as a cracker box cannot be said to be &quot;logical.&quot;   </p>
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