Great people, the Corries. Here's their statement on their daughter's commemoration. Excerpt:
In Rachel's case, though a thorough, credible and transparent investigation was promised by the Israeli Government, after six years, the position of the U.S. Government remains that such an investigation has not taken place. In March 2008, Michele Bernier-Toff, Managing Director of the Office of Overseas Citizen Services at the Department of State wrote, “We have consistently requested that the Government of Israel conduct a full and transparent investigation into Rachel's death. Our requests have gone unanswered or ignored.” Now, the attacks on all the people of Gaza and the recent one on Tristan Anderson in Ni'lin cry out for investigation and accountability. We call on President Obama, Secretary of State Clinton, and members of Congress to act with fortitude and courage to ensure that the atrocities that have occurred are addressed by the Israeli Government and through relevant international and U.S. law. We ask them to act immediately and persistently to stop the impunity enjoyed by the Israeli military, not to encourage it.
Despite the pain, we have once again felt privileged to enter briefly into the lives of Rachel's Palestinian friends in Gaza. We are moved by their resilience and heartened by their song, dance, and laughter amidst the tears. Rachel wrote in 2003, “I am nevertheless amazed at their strength in being able to defend such a large degree of their humanity--laughter, generosity, family time—against the incredible horror occurring in their lives.....I am also discovering a degree of strength and of the basic ability for humans to remain human in the direst of circumstances...I think the word is dignity.” On this sixth anniversary of Rachel's killing, we echo her sentiments.
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I am glad that they help filter the agony and torment of the people there with their words. More times than not, I cannot bring myself to look at the pictures and videos (sometimes even the graphic descriptions) because I go numb. I know people are being maimed and killed and brutalized on an ongoing basis.
I shudder at the thought of a principled young girl being crushed to death under a multi-ton bulldozer with a driver 'just following orders' to destroy someone's house as a means of very symbolic reprisals. Nothing can be done to bring Rachel back, but by the actions of her parents, it is clear where she got some of her courage and decency. And her actions live on as a rallying point for justice for Palestinians. Though she didn't seem the type to seek the spotlight, I hope she'd be pleased that her fight continues.
My guess is that Mr. Anderson comes from similar stock, and I am grateful for it, and him.
Why do the Corrie's believe they are owed another investigation into the accidental suicide of their daughter? Do they believe the entire israeli government was out to get her?
Come join us in the Irish whisky drinking ceremony at her gravesite. You know what comes next!
Real Americans know who and what she was when they see the picture of her burning the American flag. She was a traitor.
"Real Americans know who…"
Chris Berel
Say, Chris, those "real Americans" are they anything like those "real Jews" that Zionists keep excoriating us anti-zionists for not being.
But what really fascinates me is this: Are you that lucky, blessed, fortunate being? That is, bothe a "real Jew" and a "real American"? Good Gott in Himmel, what a heapin' helping of naches you must get every day! I mean as soon as you get up, you know, you're sitting in bed and drinking the days first cup of tea, through a sugar cube between your teeth, of course, and saying to yourself "I am a Real American and a Real Jew. Who among us can claim these advantages, save my little ol' self?"
Gosh, it must be a trial to be sirronded by unreal American and false Jews!
Right Chris, and so were all the young American jews who burned USA flags and wore them on their tukus protesting the Vietnam War.
Go nuzzle some more gefilte fish and toss off some more cheap Morgan David wine. Take a few more prescription pills while you are at it.
Real Americans burn images of nationalist idolatry. Dual loyalty Americans call them traitors.
Alice, do you dare speak like that to a "real American" who might also be, in addition "a real Jew"?
Actually Chris, you can note that the Corries are calling for an investigation into Tristan's attack and the attack on Gaza.
However, you must note that it is the U.S. government that has repeatedly called for an investigation into Rachel's death in as much as there was not a credible investigation done in the first place even though former President Bush was promised the same by former Israeli Prime Minister Sharon. And, that it is the U.S. government saying that Israel has ignored these requests.
But, what would we expect with Elliot Abrams receiving all info on the case as chair of the Israel/Palestine division in the National Security domain…he had a direct line to Weisglas/Sharon…in fact he was probably talking to Weisglas (At Sharon's request Weisglas oversaw the investigation that the U.S. government has repeatedly stated was not up to U.S.standards )many times a day as not only was Rachel killed on the anniversary of the My Lai massacre, but it was also the day that Dick Cheney came on the Sunday shows to say we were going to strike Iraq…and one of Abram's jobs would have been to make sure that Israel was ready in case there was retaliation against them…the The Israelis were all carrying gas masks or so I have read. So America and Israel were joined at the hip especially at this time….
Killing an American activist who was trying to stop the Israeli war machine would probably not be high on the list of Abrams things to discuss with the Israelis or to insist they investigate thoroughly….What America did in the name of national security and what Israel did in the name of national security….when the Bush/Abrams/Sharon/Weisglas team was in the lead we will probably never know. The American government does believe we have the right to know what happened when that bulldozer driver decided to follow instructions and keep going, no matter what.
The Corries' have very little standing in regard to requesting anything.
Those who burn american flags, in america, do so with the full knowledge that they are doing a patriotic protest. When they do so on the behest of their palestinian masters, then they are traitors to the US.
Regardless, Israel is not required to follow american standards when conducting investigations.
CVhris,
Rachel Corrie never burnt an American flag in the United States. She did burn a paper effigy of an American flag in Gaza City a few days before she was killed. It was at large demonstration against the impending invasion of Iraq. What she was doing was protesting, perhaps wishing against, the biggest foreign policy mistake in American history.
Flag burning in the United States is not a crime. The burning of a paper effigy of an American flag outside the USA doesn't meet any definition of disloyalty or treachery.
I find it hard to believe that I am replying to this person named Chris Berel.
@ToothpickThruster
You can stop shuddering then. Rachel Corrie wasn't run over by the bulldozer, she was hit by a chunk of debris from the debris pile that the bulldozer was pushing. Plus, you should find the video of the actual event online. She was at least 100 feet from the nearest house.
@ CB (aka SOG, Bill Pearlman)
"The Corries' have very little standing in regard to requesting anything."
You are right, it was just their daughter. No different than any other American's family who has died in Iraq to secure Israel under the PNAC brain trust afforded by the Champagne Division draft dodger, Shrub.
Those who burn american flags, in america, do so with the full knowledge that they are doing a patriotic protest. When they do so on the behest of their palestinian masters, then they are traitors to the US. Likewise, those who raise the Israeli flag in their temples located in the USA, are also traitors.
Regardless, Israel is not required to follow american standards when conducting investigations.
True, that's why Israel is a Zio-fascist state, and we in the USA are trying to be different after Shrub rode over the US constitution by aping Israel's scheme.
Chris and Thom, Israel is not required to follow any standards in their investigations and that is probably why after the British did an investigation into Tom Hurndall being shot in the head and James Miller being killed as he carried a white flag, both in the same area of Gaza that Rachel was killed in and all within a six week period, the British called the Miller death and the Hurndall death "murder" and Israel reopened the Hurndall case and charged the soldier and now recently Israel has negotiated a settlement with the British government and the Miller family -payment in return fort the British government stopping proceedings against Israel…..The problem with the Israelis having no standards on these investigations is that they have become the "wink-wink" Israeli investigations to those of us who follow these issues. The Israelis can do any kind of investigation they want. At some point the Americans will be too embarassed to stand by and watch. At some point the Americans will decide that it is not in our national security interest to cover our eyes as the bulldozer rolls over homes and people, as it did with Rachel Corrie, according to eight eyewitnesses. At some point the American government will see that destroying Gaza and then asking the American people to rebuild it, time and again, is not in our national interest. At some point, Americans are going to be sick in our gut at supporting this occupation.
@ToothpickThruster
You can stop shuddering then. Rachel Corrie wasn't run over by the bulldozer, she was hit by a chunk of debris from the debris pile that the bulldozer was pushing. Plus, you should find the video of the actual event online. She was at least 100 feet from the nearest house.
Posted by: Thom | March 16, 2009 at 03:20 PM
Ouch! Who knew you were so concerned about penis size? Are you so stretched out that only the biggest salami has any hope of hitting your sphincter walls?
From your description, I would say she was probably under the debris of the nearest house. Your word games (as well as your weak 'word play') are unconvincing. She stood in the path of a bulldozer in order to impede its destruction of Palestinian homes. Pushing that debris pile forward was apparently more important than a young woman's life.
Glad to see your priorities are in order.
"Glad to see your priorities are in order."
Lance, a complete degradation of marality and compassion is a result of snorting Ziocaine. Just be glad it's not you. It's harder than hell to kick.
How can anyone with a decent education read that Thom's description indicated that Corrie commited accidental suicide under the debris of the nearest house? Oh, it was lance? Nuff said.
cheryl: " At some point, Americans are going to be sick in our gut at supporting this occupation."
You are right about that. Most informed Americans are already sickened by what they see in Israel. The problem is, as Pat Buchanan so aptly remarked, "Capitol Hill is Israeli-occupied territory." As soon as Obama got the nomination the first thing he did was go genuflect to AIPAC. He was silent during assault on Gaza. He appointed Dennis Ross to a policy post in his administration. He whimpered behind the door when Israel-firsters assassinated Chas Freeman's appointment. The Israeli right ring controls Americas foreign policy in the Middle East and nothing I've seen–least of all Barack Obama–is likely to change that.
Most informed Americans know that Buchanon is not the most reliable of orators. He has been rejected by more Americans then Phil's phools. But only by reputation. So far the phools have no reputation.
I love this website – it's a mix of right-wing Buchananites and left-wing revolutionary totalitarians (some of whom have the DNA of a Jew or two). The only thing they have in common is their undying hatred of Jews and Israel. And apparently a love of the homophobia and misogyny shared by Hamas, and calling folks "Israel-firsters". AIPAC and ADL should post excerpts from this site to gain new members!
Regarding the Corrie's yahrzeit, I think that Rachel's and Tristan's parents should go to Chinese-occupied Tibet and start throwing rocks at Chinese soldiers (or stand in a group of people throwing rocks). Let's see what happens next! Oh! I know! If still alive, they should de-camp to Teheran and start throwing rocks at Iranian police at a homosexual hanging. Next, it's off to the House of Saud to throw rocks at the morals police as they beat a woman senseless for having the audacity to drink coffee with a man not her husband in a Starbucks. Warning to the Misses Corrie and Anderson – be sure to cover up or you'll be hit with a morals crime as well. Onwards to Somalia for a quick clitorectomy and a detour to Darfur to throw rocks at those committing genocide. A bit too late to tour Rwanda, but maybe they can get in a visit to the Turkish-Kurdish border to stand in solidarity with the Kurdish people and throw rocks at the Turks as they try to re-create their famous foray against the Armenians (which, in the Muslim world, was not a genocide – apparently because there were too many murder victims involved – genocide being reserved for killings of 1,200 and less where 80% of those killed were militants). Final stop? Guantanimo Bay – to throw rocks and flaming projectiles at the US prison guards. Funny how you never hear of any of these protests going on – perhaps it's because the Israelis don't deliberately try to kill these protesters.
Israeli's don't DELIBERATELY try to kill protestors?
You mean like that Palestinian kid who was shot through the head last week?
No one takes you seriously, you scumbag.
No one takes you seriously either LD, except in this anti-Jewish enclave of MondoWeiss. You can use profanity and name-calling all you want to highlight your lack of facts and truth, but the Government of Israel does not deliberately kill civilians. The same cannot be said about the Palestinian governmental entitities.
Hold the phones!!!
I'm having trouble believing that it's true, but it could, it just may, be. Note the Berel troll's last post, where he spells Patrick Buchanan's name "Buchanon". Now what other Israel apologist who is a non-stop source of diarrheic (home-made adjective) commentary on this blog has constantly misspelled Pat's name in this way?
Richard Witty
Is that you Richard? Are you the stool-eater Chris Berel?
Harcourt Fenton,
Every post you put up is a verification of the information found in the fundamentals of Israeli apoligists at this site.
http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-make-case-for-israel-and-win.html
Oh, and as for the hate-groups AIPAC and the ADL actually posting excerpts from this site, or linking anyone to this site, you should really get off of that zio-caine. Keep in mind that these organizations work best in the absence of light. The last thing they would do is to call attention to a site that shines a torch on their nefarious shenanigans!!!
PM
Thanks for coming out Harcourt Fenton.
Please come back tomorrow – but please – bring some more of whatever it is your drinking because I could sure use some.
Reality gets a bit difficult sometimes I know.
You poor crazy bugger.
You're welcome stevieb. What I'm drinking is facts; I'd be glad to distribute some so that those here who only know profanity as an answer can be enlightened. My sense from most of the comments is that the folks here would be happy to see Israel and the Jews disappear from their very long history with the land of Israel, or maybe just get back to the slaughters that diminished the Jews from the majority to a minority in Palestine in the 1400's-1500's. The fact that people here don't acknowledge Israel's right to exist, and its right to defend itself from at least some of the attacks on it, seem to point to a futility in discussing a peaceful solution. After all, if the Buchananites and Stalinists are so up in arms about Israel, the Palestinians must have deluded themselves even worse. Sadly, it points to the correctness of an Avigdor Lieberman point of view – that it is useless to negotiate with people who hate you – so just extricate yourselves on your own terms and be vigilant and hostile to the haters until they discover, like the Israelis, that their time is better spent educating their children in medicine, technology, the arts, agriculture, etc. Maybe Jordan and Egypt can provide them that stability.
I feel very sorry for their loss.
Especially since they had to endure slurs and vitriol, such as the namecalling of their dead daughter "whore", "nut", and, of course, "traitor", usually thrown about by the Israeli-firsters of the Steve Rosen ilk….
The only reason they have to endure the vitrol is because they parade her dead and rotting body around with them as if she were a saint, instead of an antisemitic fool who pissed on america to please her islamic masters.
Amy Goodman of "Democracy Now" interviewed Tristan Anderson's partner (who was with him when he was shot) today.
Apparently, Tristan was taking pictures. The demonstration was over and almost everyone had left.
So, Harcourt Fenton, that kind of negates your entire post.
hopefully iran will do us a favor and liquidate these vermon,only after the american treasonous jews have been rounded up and loaded on ships to be sent to israel…..
the jews here defaming and cheering the death of that poor american peace worker…..should try saying those things to an americans face,and see how you get smacked so hard your kids jew noses pop off.
You're out of line, Ansel, and your hate does not contribute to legitimate criticism of Israel, and is not welcome here. I wonder if you are an agent provocateur trying to make undermine civilized exploration of the Israeli occupation and its American Lobby by trying to mix hate in amongst the other posts to delegitimize the sight and turn off new readers. Or you could just be a twit. Either way, you should be banned.
@ Harcourt Fenton | March 16, 2009 at 06:58 PM
Your assessment of people on this sight is completely wrong. It is apparent that you see what you want to see.
Your examples of other repressive regimes misses the point … completely. I'll speak only for myself, although I know very many people share my view, and our numbers are inexorably growing. I am not singling the Israeli government out for being war criminals and dirt bags because they are Jewish. I am singling the Israeli government out for being war criminals and dirt bags because the Zionist Lobby in America involuntarily involves the rest of us in financially and politically subsidizing foreign occupation, ethnic cleansing and colonization, and the cost is causing grievous damage to my country, and victims of Zionism, both direct and those of Zionist-driven American foreign policy, who hate Americans and want to kill us unfortunately don't differentiate between the people who are screwing them over, and the rest of us. Why should I and my family pay for and suffer the blowback from foreign ethnic cleansers and colonists, especially when they didn't ask first. They didn't because they know values of ethnic cleansing and colonization are completely out of bounds in America, and the rest of us wouldn't go for it. If this were not true, there would be no need for the Lobby.
I'm not being fleeced to pay for Chinese occupation of Tibet, and Tibetans don't want to kill my innocent people because they associate me with some 'Chinese Lobby' that brazenly and constantly breaks American law to keep the Chinese army ethnically cleansing Tibetans and planting colonies with control measures to keep the not-yet-dispossessed Tibetans in their place including Chinese-only roads.
The kneejerk response I see from extremist Zionists that any criticism of Israel or the Lobby is antisemitic is really nothing but moral cowardice. You Zionists don't want to face the fact that you are partially culpable for the current mess, both here and in Israel. Apparently it's pretty easy to take the cowards way out and blame everyone else in the world for being antisemitic. This is itself an arrogant delusion: there is certainly antisemitism in the world, but plenty of people don't care enough to pay attention, and its not worth their effort to know about you at all, much less hate you. An us-versus-the-rest-of-the-world victim complex seems to be de riguer for neocons and other extremist Zionists. Does anyone know exactly does such nonsense get instilled?
Any aware American who knows how we finance Israel's activities–the full extent of that, coupled with
the nearly complete enmeshment of our military-industrial-technical-intelligence-energy resources-missile defense systems-trade programs, via 100s of obscure memorandums of understanding and congressional
dictates, must, as a responsible citizen, look beyond and under the boilerplate rhetoric praising this special relationship. The full effect is akin to Israel being the 51st state of the USA–yet one without any of the responsibilities/accountabilities the other 50 states and their respective citizens have under the constitution and laws of our land. If Chas Freeman is an "anti-semite," than so am I.
Now that Tristan Anderson's condition has improved somewhat, the Washington Post finally runs a full story about him by Howard Schneider: Injured American Is 'Semi-Conscious'. It's on page A9, but at least it's a full story.
I think we can all be glad that Anderson's condition has improved, and that it looks like he's going to live, at any rate.
@ Citizen | March 17, 2009 at 07:24 AM
If Chas Freeman is an "anti-semite," than so am I.
I have not a single piece of evidence to support the assertion that Ambassador Freeman is antisemitic. (I realize you are not making it yourself, Citizen.) If any of Ambassador Freeman's detractors on this site can produce evidence, please feel free to share it.
Harcourt – what evidence do you have to support your claim that there was a jewish majority in Palestine in 1400-1500s?
You may be right – I wouldn't know that – but I've not heard that before…..
If Rachel had lived, I wonder if she would've outgrown this youthful, misguided zeal of hers. Many have.
Or would she have been like Martillo's crazy wife…despising everything Western (except the modern economic lifestyle she is afforded in Massachusetts) and reinventing herself as a wild-eyed fundamentalist Muslim?
"Lance, a complete degradation of marality and compassion is a result of snorting Ziocaine. Just be glad it's not you. It's harder than hell to kick."
The only people who have a problem with anyone who supports Israel are fanatics.
So what brand of fanaticism do YOU snort? Cmon, 'fess up. You embrace some hardcore ideology. Which one is it? :-)
I agree with those who've said here and elsewhere at Mondoweiss that those spouting hardcore hate speech against Jews are generally plants trying to prime the pump (getting others to chime in with agreement) or taint the site by using these plants to claim the site allows and/or fosters such hate speech.
Either way, I think they're best dealt with just by ignoring them (both the Zio-trolls, and the neo-Nazi poseurs). It makes their job easier when we have to vet the statements since they brand everything as ant-Semitic hate speech.