Comments on: One State for Palestine Conference – ‘Who are the realists and who are the dreamers?’ http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 09:59:01 +0000 hourly 1 By: MRW. http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html/comment-page-1#comment-22019 MRW. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/29/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html#comment-22019 <p>Good report.</p> Good report.

]]> By: MRW. http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html/comment-page-1#comment-22020 MRW. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/29/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html#comment-22020 <p>Completely Off-topic.</p> <p>Wanna see some Class A propaganda churned up by Israel? Take a look at this crapola:<br /> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/27/mexican-drug-cartels-hezb_n_180062.html</p> Completely Off-topic.

Wanna see some Class A propaganda churned up by Israel? Take a look at this crapola:
link to huffingtonpost.com

]]> By: John http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html/comment-page-1#comment-22021 John Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/29/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html#comment-22021 <p>Adam<br /> The arrogant construction of the Jewish State has resulted in a prison for its Palestinian inhabitants.The ideology of Zionism has resulted in ordinary Israeli people becoming possessed with a secular and religious fury as well as a fanatical nationalism that has no boundaries.<br /> A democratic One State that Ali Abunimah envisages will have to overcome this intransigent, superior and arrogant component.<br /> I cant see that happening.<br /> It is too Utopian for a nation of hard hearted citizens.<br /> John. <br /> </p> Adam
The arrogant construction of the Jewish State has resulted in a prison for its Palestinian inhabitants.The ideology of Zionism has resulted in ordinary Israeli people becoming possessed with a secular and religious fury as well as a fanatical nationalism that has no boundaries.
A democratic One State that Ali Abunimah envisages will have to overcome this intransigent, superior and arrogant component.
I cant see that happening.
It is too Utopian for a nation of hard hearted citizens.
John.

]]> By: Rowan http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html/comment-page-1#comment-22022 Rowan Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/29/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html#comment-22022 <p>What a pity this isn't true:</p> <p><i>... DEBKAfile’s Washington sources report that the Obama administration is on the threshold of a major rapprochement with Tehran, a reversal of US policy dramatic enough to block out international sanctions. Iran will be allowed to keep its nuclear program, including military elements and enriched uranium stocks, up to the point of actually assembling a weapon. Washington will continue the Bush practice of publishing “reports” that Iran is still years away from a weaponizing capability. Tehran will hold the upper hand by retaining the option to go forward and build a bomb within one month of a decision to do so and mount warheads on ballistic missiles already standing ready, as revealed last Sunday, March 25, by Israel’s military intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin. Because of the Olmert-Livni policy position in the last two years, Israel no longer has any say in Washington and international forums on the nuclear-arming of Iran. The outgoing prime minister mentioned that Israel has a long-range operational arm able to strike anywhere. But he forgot that, on his watch, Israel lost the ability to employ it ...</i></p> What a pity this isn't true:

… DEBKAfile’s Washington sources report that the Obama administration is on the threshold of a major rapprochement with Tehran, a reversal of US policy dramatic enough to block out international sanctions. Iran will be allowed to keep its nuclear program, including military elements and enriched uranium stocks, up to the point of actually assembling a weapon. Washington will continue the Bush practice of publishing “reports” that Iran is still years away from a weaponizing capability. Tehran will hold the upper hand by retaining the option to go forward and build a bomb within one month of a decision to do so and mount warheads on ballistic missiles already standing ready, as revealed last Sunday, March 25, by Israel’s military intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin. Because of the Olmert-Livni policy position in the last two years, Israel no longer has any say in Washington and international forums on the nuclear-arming of Iran. The outgoing prime minister mentioned that Israel has a long-range operational arm able to strike anywhere. But he forgot that, on his watch, Israel lost the ability to employ it …

]]> By: dance http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html/comment-page-1#comment-22023 dance Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/29/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html#comment-22023 <p>Didn't Phil say in a previous post that Barghouti also said that a one state solution would be a tragedy for the Palestinian people, despite the concept of it being laudable? But then, what is the alternative[s]? Sorry if I'm wrong. I tried to search the site, but the Google reader did not let me.</p> Didn't Phil say in a previous post that Barghouti also said that a one state solution would be a tragedy for the Palestinian people, despite the concept of it being laudable? But then, what is the alternative[s]? Sorry if I'm wrong. I tried to search the site, but the Google reader did not let me.

]]> By: Michael http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html/comment-page-1#comment-22024 Michael Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/29/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html#comment-22024 <p>The Two-State Solution is so fucking over that it never even really had a chance. "Peace process"? What a fucking sham.</p> The Two-State Solution is so fucking over that it never even really had a chance. "Peace process"? What a fucking sham.

]]> By: Duscany http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html/comment-page-1#comment-22025 Duscany Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/29/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html#comment-22025 <p>". . . it doesn't make sense to talk about a one-state or two-state solution - it is already one state."</p> <p>This is uncommon good sense. I would sure like to see this observation in the NY Times or Washington Post.<br /> </p> ". . . it doesn't make sense to talk about a one-state or two-state solution – it is already one state."

This is uncommon good sense. I would sure like to see this observation in the NY Times or Washington Post.

]]> By: kylebisme http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html/comment-page-1#comment-22026 kylebisme Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/29/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html#comment-22026 <p>The two state solution could be imposed at any time, if only the US public would stop letting our UNSC veto power be exploited to prevent it. The only way Israel could accept the one-state solution is with much more ethnic cleansing. Those are the only two end games here.</p> The two state solution could be imposed at any time, if only the US public would stop letting our UNSC veto power be exploited to prevent it. The only way Israel could accept the one-state solution is with much more ethnic cleansing. Those are the only two end games here.

]]> By: Laurie http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html/comment-page-1#comment-22027 Laurie Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/29/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html#comment-22027 <p>The Palestinians I've met would have no problem living with the Israelis as equals. </p> <p>If Ze'ev Jobotinsky, the arch Zionist, believed this: <i>In 1934 he wrote a draft constitution for the Jewish state which declared that the Arab minority would be on an equal footing with its Jewish counterpart "throughout all sectors of the country's public life." The two communities would share the state's duties, both military and civil service, and enjoy its prerogatives. Jabotinsky proposed that Hebrew and Arabic should enjoy equal rights and that "in every cabinet where the prime minister is a Jew, the vice-premiership shall be offered to an Arab and vice versa."</i> Wiki, then there is no reason others can't be brought along.</p> The Palestinians I've met would have no problem living with the Israelis as equals.

If Ze'ev Jobotinsky, the arch Zionist, believed this: In 1934 he wrote a draft constitution for the Jewish state which declared that the Arab minority would be on an equal footing with its Jewish counterpart "throughout all sectors of the country's public life." The two communities would share the state's duties, both military and civil service, and enjoy its prerogatives. Jabotinsky proposed that Hebrew and Arabic should enjoy equal rights and that "in every cabinet where the prime minister is a Jew, the vice-premiership shall be offered to an Arab and vice versa." Wiki, then there is no reason others can't be brought along.

]]> By: bar_kochba132 http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html/comment-page-1#comment-22028 bar_kochba132 Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/03/29/one-state-for-palestine-conference-who-are-the-realists-and-who-are-the-dreamers.html#comment-22028 <p>Abunimah does not want "democracy" as Adam reports. That is said in order to sound good for "progressives" like Phil and others. Abunimah wants an ARAB SUPREMACIST state. There are no democracies in the Arab world. Democracy is derided there as a degenerate, Western concept at odds with the Arab/Islamic world view. Minorities are suppressed throughout the Arab/Islamic world (why is Christianity in such sharp decline in the Arab/Muslim world if Islam is so "tolerant" as its proponents keep claiming?).</p> Abunimah does not want "democracy" as Adam reports. That is said in order to sound good for "progressives" like Phil and others. Abunimah wants an ARAB SUPREMACIST state. There are no democracies in the Arab world. Democracy is derided there as a degenerate, Western concept at odds with the Arab/Islamic world view. Minorities are suppressed throughout the Arab/Islamic world (why is Christianity in such sharp decline in the Arab/Muslim world if Islam is so "tolerant" as its proponents keep claiming?).

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