Benjamin Netanyahu's possible coalition partners say the darnedest things. Although Avigdor Lieberman is getting most of the attention, there are other parties being courted that have equally disturbing things to say. In response to Peace Now revealing that the Israeli government has plans to increase the settler population in the West Bank by 100%, Yaakov Katz, a member of Knesset from the National Union Party, said: "We will make every effort to realize the plans outlined by [Peace Ha'aretz points out that National Union is making its participation in the new government contingent on increasing settlement construction and that Katz is positioning himself for the post of Housing Minister to carry this plan out. Netanyahu has already promised National Union that "the guidelines of the coalition he is forging will not refer to a Palestinian state, the road map peace plan or the Annapolis diplomatic process." What else would he be willing to promise?
Now official Yariv] Oppenheimer," Katz told Army Radio on Monday. "I
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Unlike in Phil's phools' universe where all politicians must ggose-step in place and follow the party line, no matter how fascist, Israeli politics allow those, who differ, the chance to speak, have their voice listened to, and allowed to have a part in the decision making process.
Now there are some voices, like Phil's, that are disregarded because they advocate destruction of the state. Those requesting genocide or the suicide of the najority are politely asked to step away from the Speaker's Stand.
A State is a political entity. And no State has the inherent right to exist. The people living in that area have the inherent right to exist (Natural Law).
"A State is a political entity. And no State has the inherent right to exist. The people living in that area have the inherent right to exist (Natural Law)."
Possession is nine-tenths of the Law.
How does that even relate?
People exist. People give States power. People change. States can change. Yet, we cannot touch or otherwise 'sense' a State. It's an abstraction.
The Soviet Union or Fascist Italy/Germany were States. Now they aren't.
In the same sense, Zionism and Israel as an Ethnocracy (inherent paradox) should be 'wiped from the pages of history'. Replace the discriminatory/racist/oppressive State of Israel with a bi-national State that treats Palestinians and Jews fair and equally. Integrate them into Israeli society and over time all wounds will heal.
That idiom only works if you ignore the fact that Arabs have been in Historic Palestine/Israel proper/the OT for as long as the birth of the Zionist movement. Longer actually.
The phrase you're looking for is 'Might makes right'. The Zionists won through force, not virtue. Very few do.
Sounds like Katz has given up on Pals running their own government. And peaceful negotiation (I'd give up too after 40+ years of Islamist mind games).
Question is…what are they planning on doing with all those Muslims?
Have I missed something here?
LD betrays his ignorance once more. This is like shooting great big fish in a barrel:
The Soviet Union or Fascist Italy/Germany were States. Now they aren't.
Not so, little fool. Germany and Italy still exist. The USSR was a Federation of Republics. That federation no longer exists but the individual republics do exist
Teaching LD is like teaching a moron. The lesson never sticks longer than a day.
@ chris berel
"Unlike in Phil's phools' universe where all politicians must ggose-step in place and follow the party line, no matter how fascist, Israeli politics allow those, who differ, the chance to speak, have their voice listened to, and allowed to have a part in the decision making process."
When did anyone reading this blog ever hear an American politician speak for fairness to the Palestinians?
Now, how many American politicians have you heard in the last three decades refer to Israel in some way
other than in some variety of "our special ally" or We have special relationship with Israel" or "Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East" "Israel has to protect itself" or "Israel, our greatest ally, at one with our Judeo-Christian tradition", etc?
chris, who on earth are you talking to?
You are like a 1934 German babbling about "goose-stepping jews."
How much aid does Israel get compared to any other nation, and also compared to aid to the Palestinians? And how long has this been going on?
What you say amounts to egging on more goose-steppers–in the name of doing the contrary.
"Possession is nine-tenths of the Law."–Julian
Sorry, that rule doesn't apply to theft.
@ chris berel
"Not so, little fool. Germany and Italy still exist."
Yes, but not as official ethnocentric states. Perhaps Israel could learn from this?
'Teaching LD is like teaching a moron. The lesson never sticks longer than a day.' — chris berel
Since his young charges seem to be so dense, chris berel painstakingly writes out their lessons on a plywood blackboard.
Thanks, professor chris! Uh, what happened to your panties?
When did anyone reading this blog ever hear an American politician speak for fairness to the Palestinians?
Posted by: Citizen | March 02, 2009 at 03:24 PM
Why is Citizen insisting that he is either deaf or a lying sack of shit? He's never heard of Congressman Kucinich? Or he Citizen just an ignorant bag of wind like Joachim?
Berel's a complete moron. LD is right about states: the state of the USSR no longer exists, it literally fell apart (Humpty Dumpty, anyone?) So did Yugoslavia and Germany after WW II.
The only point were LD goes wrong is to declare 'Ethnocracy' to be 'inherently paradoxical'. Democracy (etymology): δήμος (dēmos), "people" and κράτος (kratos), "rule, strength". Nothing paradoxical about Ethnocracy though, it's just not very democratic. Sorry for splitting hairs.
Chris, you ain't teaching no one here, you're just a mere nuisance, which is what you seem to love about yourself.
@Suzanne:
"And peaceful negotiation (I'd give up too after 40+ years of Islamist mind games)."
Islamism is of much, much more recent date than Palestinian resistance which has never had anything to do with Islamism al-Qaeda or Taliban style. Even Hamas aren't Islamists in the narrow sense of the word and their only objectives are vis-à-vis Israel and Palestine.
I can see an Israeli mindset in your thinking though: when all will be lost for the 'Pals' Israel can then go and blame it on them: 'they didn't want to play nice, your Honour'. By that time though Israel will be either a de jure Apartheid state or a single democratic state for all. My money is on the latter… C'mon Katz, bring it on, don't hold back now…
Chris–someone emailed me and told me to do a search on my name and mondoweiss. If you want to see something funny, do the same on your name.
Some victim bots are using us to whine on their own respective blogs…lol!
Berel, my point is that Nazi/Fascist Germany as a POLITICAL ENTITY or as a FASCIST State, no longer exists.
The Soviet Union no longer exists as a political entity (as the SOVIET State).
Etc. etc.
My original comment spells this all out clearly. You fail so hard it's not even funny anymore.
And Suzanne, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Islamists? You and the other clowns have been living in a bubble for too long.
Interesting analysis and side notes from an Israeli blogging at Open Salon
also mentions this great fact about democratic Israel:
Gert, sorry, I can't teach you. It is almost impossible to teach morons. The USSR was not a state as such, it was a Union of Republics which still exist, the Union itself desolved.
The only point LD has, is the one sharpened at the top of his head.
You are turning this into a semantic argument. You are correct that the Soviet Union, was not a State – but even that disagreement is misleading.
You can have a State, States, component States of a federation or union, etc.
As I said, in my original post – Israel as a Jewish State should end. Zionism should end.
Dissolve the State as it is, and create a bi-national State with equal rights for all peoples.
From Wiki page on 'Nation-State':
"The specific combination of 'nation' ('people') and 'state' expressed in such terms as the Völkische Staat and implemented in laws such as the 1935 Nuremberg laws made fascist states such as early Nazi Germany qualitatively different from non-fascist nation-states. Obviously, minorities, who are not part of the Volk, have no authentic or legitimate role in such a state. In Germany, neither Jews nor the Roma were considered part of the Volk, and specifically targeted for persecution. However German nationality law defined 'German' on the basis of German ancestry (as it still largely does), excluding all non-Germans from the 'Volk'."
I thought this was very telling. The parallel between Fascist Germany and Israel is striking.
Jeff Halper put out an article last year about this notion of the Palestinians being 'warehouse people' – as he called it.
Unline South Africa, Palestinians do not make up the workforce of Israel. They are non-essential to the Israelis. Just as the Jews were to the Germans. Hence, how they can be so easily murdered like in Gaza. Or during the course of the year, when a pimply faced Israeli teen who just got a gun, 'accidentally' shoots a Palestinian child in the head.
Regardless of your desires, Israel was created and will remain as the last refuge for the Jews when another Hitler arises. The nations of the world have proven themselves unwilling to put out their sorry asses to protect anyone. Israel is pledged to protect the Jews.
Don't like it? Go screw yourself.
> Tell Obama – No Military Aid to Israel
> From: Council for the National Interest Foundation (cnif@democracyinaction.org)
"The recent attacks on Gaza vividly demonstrate why we need to reevaluate military Aid to Israel. During the Bush Administration a memorandum was signed to provide Israel with $30 billion dollars of military aid to be disbursed over the next 10 years. Each year this estimated $3 billion dollars of American taxpayer money goes unaccounted for. Without a doubt this aid financed the assault on Gaza…
Please send a letter … to President Obama encouraging him to with hold military aid to Israel and to work towards a resolution of the Palestinian situation. Without US pressure Israel will never agree to allow the creation of a Palestinian state."
> TO SEND AN E-MAIL –
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=6976743&page=1
good riddance for these creeps…elitism is worthless.
Harvard is getting killed in OTC derivatives. Harvard has the greatest influence on the Obama Administration.
Does that give you a hint of what we are in for.
Failing at Harvard: Ivy Cash King Tumbles
Harvard University Pays the Price for Exotic Bets
By BERNARD CONDON and NATHAN VARDI
Forbes.com
March 1, 2009
Stocks were tumbling last fall as the new school year began, but at Harvard University, it was as if the boom had never ended.
Workers were digging across the river from Harvard’s Cambridge, Mass., home, the start of a grand expansion that was to eventually almost double the size of the university. Budgets were plump, and students from middle class families were getting big tuition breaks under an ambitious new financial aid program.
The lavish spending was made possible by the earnings from Harvard’s $36.9 billion endowment, the world’s largest. That pot was supposed to be good for $1.4 billion in annual earnings.
Behind the scenes, though, a different story was unfolding.
In a glassed-walled conference room overlooking downtown Boston, traders at Harvard Management Co., the subsidiary that invests the school’s money, were fielding questions from their new boss, Jane Mendillo, about exotic financial instruments that were suddenly backfiring.
Regardless of your desires, Israel was created and will remain as the last refuge for the Jews when another Hitler arises. The nations of the world have proven themselves unwilling to put out their sorry asses to protect anyone.
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Chris, Hitler is dead. World War II is over. The Shoah is over.
It is the job of a nation to protect its citizens. Germany failed in this, spectacularly. But the US did not. Jews have flourished here. Your neighbors are not waiting to kill you, and it is for you to decide if you wish to make yourself liked or disliked. Few Americans care that you are Jewish; they care only what you do.
berel: "Regardless of your desires, Israel was created and will remain as the last refuge for the Jews when another Hitler arises."
I'm sure that's fine with everyone here–as long as Israel's leaders don't act like another Hitler in the meantime. Also, it would be nice if Israel would define its borders, rather than taking more land from other people every year.
On January 19 Haaretz issued this report captioned, “Israel recruits ‘army of bloggers’ to combat anti-Zionist Web sites:”
“The Immigrant Absorption ministry announced on Sunday it was setting up an ‘army of bloggers’ to be made up of Israelis who speak a second language to represent Israel in ‘anti-Zionist blogs’ in English, French, Spanish and German. ‘During the war, we looked for a way to contribute to the effort,’ the ministry’s director general, Erez Halfon, told Haaretz. ‘We turned to this enormous reservoir of more than a million people with a second mother tongue.’ Halfon said volunteers who send the Absorption ministry their contact details by e-mail, at media@moia.gov.is, will be registered according to language, and then passed on to the Foreign Ministry’s media department, whose personnel will direct the volunteers to Web sites deemed ‘problematic.’” (1.19.09)
Now I realize what is "problematic" about many of the comments on this site.
It's clear from what we've seen here that most of these recruits need not possess any knowledge other than in a second language.
I can't undertand why everyone still insists on engaging in debate with berel. You cannot educate him since he does not want to learn. Phil could easily replace his useless presence here with a pull-down menu of his typical commentary.
In his twisted world, everyone in the world either wants to kill all jews, or is an anti-semite or both. Oh, and then there's the childish insult.
You object that Israelis are allowed to combat the active antisemitism on this blog? Scares the shit out of you that smart people think antisemitism is for morons?
I'm all for the National Union on this. The sooner the two-state solution is exposed as the chimera that it is, the sooner we'll get on with a true peace process.
Berel, you're only helping us by commenting on this blog. You're just immensely annoying. Just like Suzanne/SoG/Euro/Thom.
Witty is the closest thing to a tolerable pro-Israel commentator, and even he manages to be condescending/pretentious with each post. His ideas are never flushed out. You read one of his posts that fill up have a page when they could have been a paragraph if he got to the point. He's dishonest.
You're just a moron.
If your job, as a keyboard warrior fighting antisemitism, is to spread awareness/dispel rumors/lies/etc. then you're doing a horrible job of it.
I mean, just ask yourself if any outside observer who is in the middle will take anything you've ever said on this blog seriously. You spit out accusations of antisemitism/Holocaust denying like you've got tourette's.
And Suzanne is no different except she's more of a sociopath. I think Thom is even ignored by the sockpuppets. SoG isn't as active anymore and is also beginning to get ignored. Euro ditto.
So it's just you because of your unintended hilarity. We're laughing AT you, not with you.
However German nationality law defined 'German' on the basis of German ancestry (as it still largely does), excluding all non-Germans from the 'Volk'."
I thought this was very telling. The parallel between Fascist Germany and Israel is striking.
For your information. German Nationality
don't get lost between Nationality – Ethnicity – Religion – Politics it lets others brain's burst.
I think the passage is true in the case of Fascist Germany. That's why I posted it. The part that LeAnder disagrees with is the notion that it's not so different today in Germany. I don't know anything about that.
I was interested in the idea of ultra-nationalism/militarism/etc. that was espoused/enforced by the Nazis and how that is similar to Zionism.
search for: "StAG" (=Staatangehörigkeitsgesetz=Nationality law)
The version they use says: last revision before this 1999. It's based on a law from 1913. The Nazis seem to have inserted or changed your "section" our "paragraph" or simply "§" 33-35 (which makes it StAG §§ 33-35 in legal terminology). You can check it has gone.
On the net, I only find current version. If I want to see the revision history, I had to check in a library. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't immediately deleted. I'll check that in the "UB" Universitätsbibliothek = university library, or in the law department library. I was always especially fond of the whole Nazi law collection there.
But strictly no German ancestry is needed. If your parents were Iranians, Afghani, Egyptian, Palestinians, Russian, Sudanese BUT are German citizen, their kid were German citizen too. When I last had to do with it–quite some time now–laws demanded a 10 year residence before citizenship was granted. Only kids born by "German citizen" (no matter what ethnicity ancestors) were automatically German citizen. That changed now. Now it seems to be every child born here. We need every single one you know. ;) Look at the German's fertility rate.
I changed this too. I wasn't aware, that a direct link doesn't work.
@ chris berel
I forgot about Congressman Kucinich speaking up for fairness to the Palestinians. Actually, there might be up to five congress people who have done so. Wow. Impressive. And that leaves how many in the AIPAC chorus?
Citizen, all it proves is that you are a lying sack of shit, willing to do and say anything to further your agenda. that you and the truth are poles apart.
Or you're an ignorant ass trying desperately to defend your ignorance.
LOL, chris, can't you do anything but people vulgar names? Address the issues raised, if you can–obviously you cannot.