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		<title>By: rykart</title>
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		<dc:creator>rykart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;94% of the Israelis said they found Israel insufficiently ruthless in Gaza, later, voting with their feet for the Nazis Leiberman and Netanyahu to &quot;finish the job.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;94%&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Persuading these &quot;people&quot; holds as much promise as rehabilitating Mengele. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>94% of the Israelis said they found Israel insufficiently ruthless in Gaza, later, voting with their feet for the Nazis Leiberman and Netanyahu to &quot;finish the job.&quot;</p>
<p>94%</p>
<p>Persuading these &quot;people&quot; holds as much promise as rehabilitating Mengele. </p>
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		<title>By: Saleema</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saleema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;First the good news. 60 percent of American Jews are against expanding the settlements...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s nice. But are they also for dismantling the settlements, all settlements, and sending them packing back to Israel and New York?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;First the good news. 60 percent of American Jews are against expanding the settlements&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>That&#39;s nice. But are they also for dismantling the settlements, all settlements, and sending them packing back to Israel and New York?</p>
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		<title>By: frizzled</title>
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		<dc:creator>frizzled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI, Phil:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://88.80.13.160/wiki/Coleman%27s_database:_lots_and_lots_of_Jewish_names&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I couldn&#039;t resist: I poked into Norm Coleman&#039;s supporter database, made publicly available by the Coleman campaign itself and subsequently provided for public consumption by Wikileaks.org. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not going to provide the database, or any links deeper than to Wikileaks&#039; homepage, from which you can confirm what I found on your own. But the disclaimers aside, the headline says it all. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Campaigns are required to track the source of records like these -- since they buy, lease, and otherwise borrow lists from various organizations, it&#039;s important (and legally required) to note where you got a given name from. Most campaign databases will include a column called &quot;Source&quot; or something similar to denote this piece of information. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And Coleman&#039;s database includes just such a column. One of the codes in that column is &quot;gopjew_091307&quot; -- and there are over 20,000 of them. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Coleman is Jewish, as is his Democratic opponent Al Franken. But of 50,000 names in the database, over 20,000 from a single list, brought to the campaign September 13th, 2007? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are a couple of possible connections here -- On September 20th of that year, Coleman sponsored a Sense of the Senate resolution that said &quot;that the U.S. should &#039;combat, contain, and roll back&#039; Iran&#039;s &#039;violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Earlier this year, after he was shuffled out of the Senate once his term officially expired, Coleman accepted a role with the Republican Jewish Coalition, which very well could be the source of the &quot;gopjew_091307&quot; source list in the first place. There&#039;s no way to know for sure. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But 40% of a supporter database from a single source in the American Jewish political lobby could make for a very powerful special interest arrangement for a former Senator. Whatever organization it was that leased, sold, or gave its list to the Coleman campaign, they&#039;re more than entitled to their views and their advocacy efforts. I don&#039;t expect the RJC to give Al Franken their list any time soon. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, Phil:</p>
<p>http://88.80.13.160/wiki/Coleman%27s_database:_lots_and_lots_of_Jewish_names</p>
<p>I couldn&#39;t resist: I poked into Norm Coleman&#39;s supporter database, made publicly available by the Coleman campaign itself and subsequently provided for public consumption by Wikileaks.org. </p>
<p>I&#39;m not going to provide the database, or any links deeper than to Wikileaks&#39; homepage, from which you can confirm what I found on your own. But the disclaimers aside, the headline says it all. </p>
<p>Campaigns are required to track the source of records like these &#8212; since they buy, lease, and otherwise borrow lists from various organizations, it&#39;s important (and legally required) to note where you got a given name from. Most campaign databases will include a column called &quot;Source&quot; or something similar to denote this piece of information. </p>
<p>And Coleman&#39;s database includes just such a column. One of the codes in that column is &quot;gopjew_091307&quot; &#8212; and there are over 20,000 of them. </p>
<p>Coleman is Jewish, as is his Democratic opponent Al Franken. But of 50,000 names in the database, over 20,000 from a single list, brought to the campaign September 13th, 2007? </p>
<p>There are a couple of possible connections here &#8212; On September 20th of that year, Coleman sponsored a Sense of the Senate resolution that said &quot;that the U.S. should &#39;combat, contain, and roll back&#39; Iran&#39;s &#39;violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq.&quot; </p>
<p>Earlier this year, after he was shuffled out of the Senate once his term officially expired, Coleman accepted a role with the Republican Jewish Coalition, which very well could be the source of the &quot;gopjew_091307&quot; source list in the first place. There&#39;s no way to know for sure. </p>
<p>But 40% of a supporter database from a single source in the American Jewish political lobby could make for a very powerful special interest arrangement for a former Senator. Whatever organization it was that leased, sold, or gave its list to the Coleman campaign, they&#39;re more than entitled to their views and their advocacy efforts. I don&#39;t expect the RJC to give Al Franken their list any time soon. </p>
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		<title>By: asiswhen</title>
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		<dc:creator>asiswhen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;these who &quot;oppose settlements&quot; are most likely the pragmatic livni bunch.  they&#039;d still oppose any real reparations from the nakba and withdrawing of settlements, or &quot;sharing&quot; jerusalem.  don&#039;t give the pragmatists too much credit, after all they were happy to go for the partition scam in the first place. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>these who &quot;oppose settlements&quot; are most likely the pragmatic livni bunch.  they&#39;d still oppose any real reparations from the nakba and withdrawing of settlements, or &quot;sharing&quot; jerusalem.  don&#39;t give the pragmatists too much credit, after all they were happy to go for the partition scam in the first place. </p>
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		<title>By: cogit8</title>
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		<dc:creator>cogit8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;According to PressTV today: &quot;A poll shows that Jewish Americans who favor a military strike on Iran over its nuclear program barely outnumber those against such an attack.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The Jews who are justifying a war on Iran are guilty of blood libel (a phrase similar to &quot;conflict of interest&quot; that they like to accuse others of, but are heavily guilty of themselves).&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to PressTV today: &quot;A poll shows that Jewish Americans who favor a military strike on Iran over its nuclear program barely outnumber those against such an attack.&quot;</p>
<p>The Jews who are justifying a war on Iran are guilty of blood libel (a phrase similar to &quot;conflict of interest&quot; that they like to accuse others of, but are heavily guilty of themselves).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Consider, too, that 75 percent of American Jews approved of Israel going in there. Well by 45 to 29, American Democrats were against Israel&#039;s actions. That&#039;s a real cleavage between Jewish American attitudes and progressive attitudes. Today on the phone pollster Jim Gerstein said that Jews are still &quot;progressive Democrats.&quot; &lt;i&gt;I don&#039;t know, Jim. Jews really separate from the progressive family on this issue.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perfect illustration Phil. There is no way to explain that away. It&#039;s staring us right in the face, right here in black and white: Israel is an exception to everything else that a majority of &quot;progressive&quot; American Jews believe in. Atrocities that they will readily condemn in others are ignored or rationalized when it comes to Israel. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It has to stop, for the sake of all involved.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s get these numbers reversed: If only 25% of American Jews support Israeli military atrocities, and 75% oppose them with the passion that they bring to so many other causes, then perhaps we&#039;ll begin to see serious change in policy. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Consider, too, that 75 percent of American Jews approved of Israel going in there. Well by 45 to 29, American Democrats were against Israel&#39;s actions. That&#39;s a real cleavage between Jewish American attitudes and progressive attitudes. Today on the phone pollster Jim Gerstein said that Jews are still &quot;progressive Democrats.&quot; <i>I don&#39;t know, Jim. Jews really separate from the progressive family on this issue.</i></b></p>
<p>Perfect illustration Phil. There is no way to explain that away. It&#39;s staring us right in the face, right here in black and white: Israel is an exception to everything else that a majority of &quot;progressive&quot; American Jews believe in. Atrocities that they will readily condemn in others are ignored or rationalized when it comes to Israel. </p>
<p>It has to stop, for the sake of all involved.</p>
<p>Let&#39;s get these numbers reversed: If only 25% of American Jews support Israeli military atrocities, and 75% oppose them with the passion that they bring to so many other causes, then perhaps we&#39;ll begin to see serious change in policy. </p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Philip Weiss&#039;s position on Israel is as &quot;progressive&quot; as David Duke&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip Weiss&#39;s position on Israel is as &quot;progressive&quot; as David Duke&#39;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What do people mean when they say &quot;Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people.&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do people mean when they say &quot;Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people.&quot;?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not against settlement expansion. I&#039;m against taking of land by force, without due process.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not against settlement expansion. I&#39;m against taking of land by force, without due process.</p>
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		<title>By: Margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From my perspective, danger to someone who is Jewish because they are Jewish is important not just because it is anti-semiticism.  It is a form of prejudicial discrimination, and as such must be battled with recognition that any form of such discriminatory behavior is a danger to us all. Bigotry is all too often deadly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Personally, I battle also with my reaction to the distinction between Gentile and Jew. It&#039;s awkward to interact in environments where one encounters such a division, because it says: &quot;You and me, we&#039;re different.&quot; which I don&#039;t believe to be true in any way that is important to my being. Religious beliefs and ethnic history may be different but that doesn&#039;t make us different from each other as people.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Such divisions are beneficial to those who would profit from the loss of unity that results.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my perspective, danger to someone who is Jewish because they are Jewish is important not just because it is anti-semiticism.  It is a form of prejudicial discrimination, and as such must be battled with recognition that any form of such discriminatory behavior is a danger to us all. Bigotry is all too often deadly.</p>
<p>Personally, I battle also with my reaction to the distinction between Gentile and Jew. It&#39;s awkward to interact in environments where one encounters such a division, because it says: &quot;You and me, we&#39;re different.&quot; which I don&#39;t believe to be true in any way that is important to my being. Religious beliefs and ethnic history may be different but that doesn&#39;t make us different from each other as people.</p>
<p>Such divisions are beneficial to those who would profit from the loss of unity that results.</p>
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