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		<title>By: r</title>
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		<dc:creator>r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;After reading this, I thought to myself &quot;I hope to soon read of a gigantic blast in Tel Aviv that leaves hundreds and hundreds of Israelis dead.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s what this report makes me feel. I feel this way despite the fact I&#039;m Jewish, living in peace and complete safety here in the United States. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What the Palestinians feel, I can not imagine. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this, I thought to myself &quot;I hope to soon read of a gigantic blast in Tel Aviv that leaves hundreds and hundreds of Israelis dead.&quot;</p>
<p>That&#39;s what this report makes me feel. I feel this way despite the fact I&#39;m Jewish, living in peace and complete safety here in the United States. </p>
<p>What the Palestinians feel, I can not imagine. </p>
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		<title>By: Susie Kneedler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susie Kneedler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What unutterable horror: we have let &quot;our&quot; government allow these merciless attacks to happen.  Most of us who care about Palestine have read about much of what Rose Mishaan saw for herself, but we need to be reminded about the heartrending effects of the Israeli war on the Palestinian people--the war that we are working to stop.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We have to keep writing &quot;our&quot; representatives and &quot;our&quot; &quot;news&quot; media to insist that they both tell the truth, as well as stop the theft and killing.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We have to work for peace, justice, and mercy until the &quot;rule of law [truly]means you apply it to everyone equally&quot; and we create an &quot;end to Israeli impunity.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What unutterable horror: we have let &quot;our&quot; government allow these merciless attacks to happen.  Most of us who care about Palestine have read about much of what Rose Mishaan saw for herself, but we need to be reminded about the heartrending effects of the Israeli war on the Palestinian people&#8211;the war that we are working to stop.  </p>
<p>We have to keep writing &quot;our&quot; representatives and &quot;our&quot; &quot;news&quot; media to insist that they both tell the truth, as well as stop the theft and killing.  </p>
<p>We have to work for peace, justice, and mercy until the &quot;rule of law [truly]means you apply it to everyone equally&quot; and we create an &quot;end to Israeli impunity.&quot; </p>
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		<title>By: Susie Kneedler</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/03/us-eyewitness-in-gaza-as-a-world-we-utterly-failed-the-palestinians-of-gaza-we-stood-and-watched-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-24987</link>
		<dc:creator>Susie Kneedler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Rose, Adam, and Phil.  &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rose, Adam, and Phil.  </p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What that story amounts to is a description of scenes typical in any urban warfare against a terrorist organization, combined with stories that might be true, might be exaggerated, or might be entirely made up. Combined with a guided tour for some useful idiots by propagandists working for the Hamas terrorist organization. Who knows who wrote that graffiti, it could just as easily have been Palestinians making propaganda hay as immature Israeli soldiers. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What that story amounts to is a description of scenes typical in any urban warfare against a terrorist organization, combined with stories that might be true, might be exaggerated, or might be entirely made up. Combined with a guided tour for some useful idiots by propagandists working for the Hamas terrorist organization. Who knows who wrote that graffiti, it could just as easily have been Palestinians making propaganda hay as immature Israeli soldiers. </p>
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		<title>By: Duscany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duscany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thom: &quot;What that story amounts to is a description of scenes typical in any urban warfare against a terrorist organization, combined with stories that might be true, might be exaggerated, or might be entirely made up.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s do a hypothetical. Assume for a moment the account is true, would that change your opinion of the GAZA assault in any way? If the answer is no, why do you even bother then to post messages about the matter? Save the bandwidth for a subject on which your mind is still open.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thom: &quot;What that story amounts to is a description of scenes typical in any urban warfare against a terrorist organization, combined with stories that might be true, might be exaggerated, or might be entirely made up.&quot;</p>
<p>Let&#39;s do a hypothetical. Assume for a moment the account is true, would that change your opinion of the GAZA assault in any way? If the answer is no, why do you even bother then to post messages about the matter? Save the bandwidth for a subject on which your mind is still open.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Which account? There are several different accounts listed in that article. If some of the Palestinian propaganda is actually true, such as soldiers deliberately targeting civilians, then the soldiers involved should be brought up on charges, just like soldiers who disobey the laws of war in any other army.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, if you are asking whether isolated crimes would make me think that the Gaza war as a whole was unjustified, then no. The Palestinians chose to devote their limited resources to trying to murder innocent Israeli civilians, the Israelis attacked military targets to discourage the Palestinians from firing on Israeli civilians. The attacks were more carefully focused on military targets than any other military attack I have heard of in similar circumstances.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When the Palestinians put all of their military targets sufficiently far away from their civilian population that their military targets can be destroyed without harming civilians, then their complaints about civilian deaths will be legitimate. Until then, the blame for all the destruction they and their useful idiots in the NLG are whining about is on Hamas.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for posting only when I don&#039;t have a firm opinion on a subject, no one else here holds to that standard. So you are proposing yet another double standard for Jews. You get to post whenever you want, whether you have made up your mind or not, but Jews only get to post when they haven&#039;t made up their minds, or have made up their minds to attack Israel and Jews who don&#039;t attack Israel. Typical.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which account? There are several different accounts listed in that article. If some of the Palestinian propaganda is actually true, such as soldiers deliberately targeting civilians, then the soldiers involved should be brought up on charges, just like soldiers who disobey the laws of war in any other army.</p>
<p>However, if you are asking whether isolated crimes would make me think that the Gaza war as a whole was unjustified, then no. The Palestinians chose to devote their limited resources to trying to murder innocent Israeli civilians, the Israelis attacked military targets to discourage the Palestinians from firing on Israeli civilians. The attacks were more carefully focused on military targets than any other military attack I have heard of in similar circumstances.</p>
<p>When the Palestinians put all of their military targets sufficiently far away from their civilian population that their military targets can be destroyed without harming civilians, then their complaints about civilian deaths will be legitimate. Until then, the blame for all the destruction they and their useful idiots in the NLG are whining about is on Hamas.</p>
<p>As for posting only when I don&#39;t have a firm opinion on a subject, no one else here holds to that standard. So you are proposing yet another double standard for Jews. You get to post whenever you want, whether you have made up your mind or not, but Jews only get to post when they haven&#39;t made up their minds, or have made up their minds to attack Israel and Jews who don&#39;t attack Israel. Typical.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thom&#039;s comments are no more disgusting or abhorrent than the other hasbara attacking this forum.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) If Rose Mishaan is a &#039;useful idiot&#039; then perhaps a read (or even a quick scan) of:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In Gaza, &lt;br /&gt;
written by Eva Bartlett, who was there throughout the whole Hanukkah Massacre, and documented individual stories wwith a multitude of photos taken by herself, would leave any sane person in no doubt of what was inflicted on the imprisoned people of that territory.&lt;br /&gt;
http://ingaza.wordpress.com/&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) Then, compare her photos with this:&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/01/israelis_in_patio_chairs_watch.html&lt;br /&gt;
from the &#039;terrorist-besieged&#039; town of Sderot&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3) &#039;Immature soldiers&#039;, especially if they are Mizrahi conscripts, certainly get bored with long hours of boredom between moments of sheer terror, as anyone who has been in a war knows only too well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But people who:&lt;br /&gt;
- Wantonly scatter and then shit all over an occupied home&#039;s family belongings&lt;br /&gt;
- Scrawl overt racist and obscene messages on the walls&lt;br /&gt;
- Knock holes through the exterior walls for sniper posts&lt;br /&gt;
- Then plant a land mine under the house to demolish it as they leave&lt;br /&gt;
-all Photos at:  http://ingaza.wordpress.com/&lt;br /&gt;
are worse than &#039;immature soldiers&#039; - they are deliberately programmed killers of &#039;untermenschen&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4) Or: &quot;A booklet handed out by Rontzki [Chief Military Rabbi] during the offensive in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip quotes an ultra-nationalist Israeli rabbi saying that showing mercy toward a &quot;cruel enemy&quot; was &quot;terribly immoral&quot; and advising soldiers they were fighting &quot;murderers.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yesh Din said the rabbi&#039;s message could have been interpreted by soldiers as a call to act outside the confines of the international laws of warfare&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE50P2SZ20090126&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thom&#39;s comments are no more disgusting or abhorrent than the other hasbara attacking this forum.</p>
<p>1) If Rose Mishaan is a &#39;useful idiot&#39; then perhaps a read (or even a quick scan) of:</p>
<p>In Gaza, <br />
written by Eva Bartlett, who was there throughout the whole Hanukkah Massacre, and documented individual stories wwith a multitude of photos taken by herself, would leave any sane person in no doubt of what was inflicted on the imprisoned people of that territory.<br />
<a href="http://ingaza.wordpress.com//p">link to ingaza.wordpress.com</a></p>
<p>2) Then, compare her photos with this:<br />
<a href="http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2009/01/israelis_in_patio_chairs_watch.htmlbr">link to cleveland.com</a><br /> /><br />
from the &#39;terrorist-besieged&#39; town of Sderot</p>
<p>3) &#39;Immature soldiers&#39;, especially if they are Mizrahi conscripts, certainly get bored with long hours of boredom between moments of sheer terror, as anyone who has been in a war knows only too well.</p>
<p>But people who:<br />
- Wantonly scatter and then shit all over an occupied home&#39;s family belongings<br />
- Scrawl overt racist and obscene messages on the walls<br />
- Knock holes through the exterior walls for sniper posts<br />
- Then plant a land mine under the house to demolish it as they leave<br />
-all Photos at:  <a href="http://ingaza.wordpress.com/br">link to ingaza.wordpress.com</a><br /> /><br />
are worse than &#39;immature soldiers&#39; &#8211; they are deliberately programmed killers of &#39;untermenschen&#39;.</p>
<p>4) Or: &quot;A booklet handed out by Rontzki [Chief Military Rabbi] during the offensive in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip quotes an ultra-nationalist Israeli rabbi saying that showing mercy toward a &quot;cruel enemy&quot; was &quot;terribly immoral&quot; and advising soldiers they were fighting &quot;murderers.&quot;</p>
<p>Yesh Din said the rabbi&#39;s message could have been interpreted by soldiers as a call to act outside the confines of the international laws of warfare&quot;.<br />
<a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE50P2SZ20090126/p">link to reuters.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thom (second comment) should at least have the decency to acknowledge that comments attacking the facts reported by the blog will be treated with more scrutiny than those agreeing with it. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Instead he invokes &#039;another double standard for Jews&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;You get to post whenever you want, whether you have made up your mind or not, but Jews only get to post when they haven&#039;t made up their minds, or have made up their minds to attack Israel and Jews who don&#039;t attack Israel. Typical&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Compare that to this, and laugh out loud:&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;You get to post whenever you want, whether you have made up your mind or not, but Episcopalians only get to post when they haven&#039;t made up their minds, or have made up their minds to attack Ohio and Episcopalians who don&#039;t attack Ohio. Typical&#039;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;...and try and work out the logic behind that.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thom (second comment) should at least have the decency to acknowledge that comments attacking the facts reported by the blog will be treated with more scrutiny than those agreeing with it. </p>
<p>Instead he invokes &#39;another double standard for Jews&#39;.<br />
&#39;You get to post whenever you want, whether you have made up your mind or not, but Jews only get to post when they haven&#39;t made up their minds, or have made up their minds to attack Israel and Jews who don&#39;t attack Israel. Typical&#39;.</p>
<p>Compare that to this, and laugh out loud:<br />
&#39;You get to post whenever you want, whether you have made up your mind or not, but Episcopalians only get to post when they haven&#39;t made up their minds, or have made up their minds to attack Ohio and Episcopalians who don&#39;t attack Ohio. Typical&#39;</p>
<p>&#8230;and try and work out the logic behind that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Berel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Berel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;As a world, we utterly failed the Palestinians of Gaza.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes, you did. You encouraged them to take out their rage in genocidal attacks against the Israelis, knowing full well that the Israelis had no reasonable choice but to strike back. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You allowed the Gazan leadership to strike at Israel from the heart of school grounds, mosques, and neighborhoods knowing full well that Israel would have no reasonable choice but to strike back.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You sat back so that you could condemn Israel. You allowed Hamas to sacrifice women and children for the sake of propaganda.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;As a world, we utterly failed the Palestinians of Gaza.&quot;</p>
<p>Yes, you did. You encouraged them to take out their rage in genocidal attacks against the Israelis, knowing full well that the Israelis had no reasonable choice but to strike back. </p>
<p>You allowed the Gazan leadership to strike at Israel from the heart of school grounds, mosques, and neighborhoods knowing full well that Israel would have no reasonable choice but to strike back.</p>
<p>You sat back so that you could condemn Israel. You allowed Hamas to sacrifice women and children for the sake of propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: purity of arms</title>
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		<dc:creator>purity of arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for posting this piece.  Reading it and others like it elsewhere only serves to redouble my resolve to support the Palestinians in their resistance to the Occupation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for trolls, banning them would be mistake.  Give them as much rope as they like: they are doing a commendable job of discrediting themselves and their cause.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this piece.  Reading it and others like it elsewhere only serves to redouble my resolve to support the Palestinians in their resistance to the Occupation.</p>
<p>As for trolls, banning them would be mistake.  Give them as much rope as they like: they are doing a commendable job of discrediting themselves and their cause.</p>
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