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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How does one read this? It looks like more Jewish exceptionalism with the threat to label dissenters as anti-Semites. It just seems very foreign to me. I don&#039;t believe that those people should have power over other groups.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does one read this? It looks like more Jewish exceptionalism with the threat to label dissenters as anti-Semites. It just seems very foreign to me. I don&#39;t believe that those people should have power over other groups.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Weiss: &quot;Annie Roiphe, the liberal writer...said that if it was a question of being an anti-Zionist, then she wanted nothing to do with me, and would throw in with the neoconservatives.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here we get to the crux of the problem: Jewish liberals, who would under normal circumstances side with the underdog Palestinians vis-à-vis another gentile group that exercised power over them the way the Israelis do, instead side with the Israelis because they are fellow Jews &quot;surrounded by hostile nations.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This would be understandable, and even tolerable, if the Jews didn&#039;t have such disproportionate weight on the left-liberal side, and if most gentile left-liberals weren&#039;t so cowed and politically correct.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But don&#039;t you see? That left-liberalism is conducive to this kind of arrangement -- the Jewish commissars running roughshod over their liberal gentile comrades, who then acquiese to the Party line no matter how many are killed, is the eternal and fatal flaw of leftism. Jews are the cock of the walk on the American left; they like it that way, and they will go to war with anyone who threatens their moral authority on the left -- Jew or gentile -- by partnering with other Jews (neoconservatives, for example) to usher their challengers to the margins.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Had more on the left studied the true history of Communism, they would have seen this coming decades ago. But instead they just lapped of the politically correct, left-liberal narrative, which lies through its teeth nearly every time it opens its mouth. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weiss: &quot;Annie Roiphe, the liberal writer&#8230;said that if it was a question of being an anti-Zionist, then she wanted nothing to do with me, and would throw in with the neoconservatives.&quot;</p>
<p>Here we get to the crux of the problem: Jewish liberals, who would under normal circumstances side with the underdog Palestinians vis-à-vis another gentile group that exercised power over them the way the Israelis do, instead side with the Israelis because they are fellow Jews &quot;surrounded by hostile nations.&quot;</p>
<p>This would be understandable, and even tolerable, if the Jews didn&#39;t have such disproportionate weight on the left-liberal side, and if most gentile left-liberals weren&#39;t so cowed and politically correct.</p>
<p>But don&#39;t you see? That left-liberalism is conducive to this kind of arrangement &#8212; the Jewish commissars running roughshod over their liberal gentile comrades, who then acquiese to the Party line no matter how many are killed, is the eternal and fatal flaw of leftism. Jews are the cock of the walk on the American left; they like it that way, and they will go to war with anyone who threatens their moral authority on the left &#8212; Jew or gentile &#8212; by partnering with other Jews (neoconservatives, for example) to usher their challengers to the margins.</p>
<p>Had more on the left studied the true history of Communism, they would have seen this coming decades ago. But instead they just lapped of the politically correct, left-liberal narrative, which lies through its teeth nearly every time it opens its mouth. </p>
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		<title>By: JES</title>
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		<dc:creator>JES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;...liberals have signed up with neoconservatives because of the perceived threats to Israel.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t see why this should be surprising. Anti-Zionist liberals have also signed up with paleoconservatives because of a preceived threat from the state of Israel.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;&#8230;liberals have signed up with neoconservatives because of the perceived threats to Israel.&quot;</p>
<p>I don&#39;t see why this should be surprising. Anti-Zionist liberals have also signed up with paleoconservatives because of a preceived threat from the state of Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ JES: &quot;Anti-Zionist liberals have also signed up with paleoconservatives because of a preceived threat from the state of Israel.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;...and a lot of Paleocons have broken with the GOP over its politically correct, left liberal-like refusal to criticize the diaspora Israeli nation operating within American borders, against American interests, and to American detriment. Now this should be instructive to non-Party line, anti-Zionist thinkers: if Zionism is so bad, why would you ever want to trust its collaborators on either side of the aisle? Others have the conscience and integrity to break with their former affiliations over this grave issue; do you really want to continue to lie down with those who are unwilling to do so out of opportunism and expedience? If so, that says as much about you as it does about them. At how many pieces of silver do you cease making a stand?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ JES: &quot;Anti-Zionist liberals have also signed up with paleoconservatives because of a preceived threat from the state of Israel.&quot;</p>
<p>&#8230;and a lot of Paleocons have broken with the GOP over its politically correct, left liberal-like refusal to criticize the diaspora Israeli nation operating within American borders, against American interests, and to American detriment. Now this should be instructive to non-Party line, anti-Zionist thinkers: if Zionism is so bad, why would you ever want to trust its collaborators on either side of the aisle? Others have the conscience and integrity to break with their former affiliations over this grave issue; do you really want to continue to lie down with those who are unwilling to do so out of opportunism and expedience? If so, that says as much about you as it does about them. At how many pieces of silver do you cease making a stand?</p>
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		<title>By: Mooser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mooser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ed, I do believe JES is giving you a compliment! That&#039;s nice.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I do believe JES is giving you a compliment! That&#39;s nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL. Somehow I think he was attempting to infer that Weiss is a Judas to Zionism. But wait a minute, isn&#039;t Judas a hero to Zionists? It all gets so confusing in the upside-down world where Zionists are on top. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think even THEY are growing increasingly uncomfortable with their &quot;leadership&quot; role, because their religo-ideology was never designed for non-Jews, so its only solution to the gentile problem is to put them in a perpetual totalitarian straightjacket. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Somehow I think he was attempting to infer that Weiss is a Judas to Zionism. But wait a minute, isn&#39;t Judas a hero to Zionists? It all gets so confusing in the upside-down world where Zionists are on top. </p>
<p>I think even THEY are growing increasingly uncomfortable with their &quot;leadership&quot; role, because their religo-ideology was never designed for non-Jews, so its only solution to the gentile problem is to put them in a perpetual totalitarian straightjacket. </p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
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		<dc:creator>DICKERSON3870</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A very nice Kafka passage!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very nice Kafka passage!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard (not Witty, in any way)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard (not Witty, in any way)</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I first visited Palestine in 1973, just after the October War, and what I saw and heard then, from Israelis and Palestinians, started my slow conversion from starry-eyed &#039;Exodus&#039; pro-Zionist to &#039;rabid anti-Semite&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It was nothing very dramatic; just a few instances of the very prevalent ingrained Israeli racism, such as the Israeli patrol coming into an Arab Jerusalem bakery while I was waiting for my special-order &#039;pizza&#039;, taking it and several others, and leaving without paying.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At Qumran, on the Dead Sea, my guide gave me the usual schtick about &#039;there are umpteen billion hostile Arabs over there, waiting to kill us&#039; - pointing to the Jordanian hills opposite. When I later visited Jordan, I went to those hills, and there was nothing; a few sheep and a shepherd boy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wasn&#039;t aware then that Transjordan was the only neighbouring country that Israel didn&#039;t invade and occupy part of. Lebanon was another one, but that was soon to change.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Except for the Battle of Karameh, in 1968, which the Israelis decisively lost.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karameh&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karameh&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first visited Palestine in 1973, just after the October War, and what I saw and heard then, from Israelis and Palestinians, started my slow conversion from starry-eyed &#39;Exodus&#39; pro-Zionist to &#39;rabid anti-Semite&#39;.</p>
<p>It was nothing very dramatic; just a few instances of the very prevalent ingrained Israeli racism, such as the Israeli patrol coming into an Arab Jerusalem bakery while I was waiting for my special-order &#39;pizza&#39;, taking it and several others, and leaving without paying.</p>
<p>At Qumran, on the Dead Sea, my guide gave me the usual schtick about &#39;there are umpteen billion hostile Arabs over there, waiting to kill us&#39; &#8211; pointing to the Jordanian hills opposite. When I later visited Jordan, I went to those hills, and there was nothing; a few sheep and a shepherd boy.</p>
<p>I wasn&#39;t aware then that Transjordan was the only neighbouring country that Israel didn&#39;t invade and occupy part of. Lebanon was another one, but that was soon to change.</p>
<p>Except for the Battle of Karameh, in 1968, which the Israelis decisively lost.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karameh" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Karameh</a></p>
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		<title>By: rykart</title>
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		<dc:creator>rykart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Healthy people want to choke the life out of Israelis. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Healthy people want to choke the life out of Israelis. </p>
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