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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Philip&lt;br /&gt;
This is a story of disbelief, terror and horror. &lt;br /&gt;
The dedicated life of Mads Gilbert to the needs of the suffering are exemplary.&lt;br /&gt;
We are in your debt for bringing us similar insights every day.&lt;br /&gt;
The commitment that you and Adam give to the intractable situation of Israel/Palestine and to the US situation is truly outstanding.&lt;br /&gt;
We are in your debt. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip<br />
This is a story of disbelief, terror and horror. <br />
The dedicated life of Mads Gilbert to the needs of the suffering are exemplary.<br />
We are in your debt for bringing us similar insights every day.<br />
The commitment that you and Adam give to the intractable situation of Israel/Palestine and to the US situation is truly outstanding.<br />
We are in your debt. </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Malfara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Malfara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I second your comments, and kudos to Phil and Adam. That said, I urge you to pop over to Dan Flescher&#039;s &quot;Realistic Dove&quot; to read what the hand-wringers have to say about Phil Weiss.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s what we&#039;re up against.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;PM&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I second your comments, and kudos to Phil and Adam. That said, I urge you to pop over to Dan Flescher&#39;s &quot;Realistic Dove&quot; to read what the hand-wringers have to say about Phil Weiss.</p>
<p>That&#39;s what we&#39;re up against.</p>
<p>PM</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Paul Malfara&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks.&lt;br /&gt;
I went to &quot;Realistic Dove&quot;, a site that I viewed once or twice, a now know why it grated me.&lt;br /&gt;
The usual suspects comment there  and are I   repetitive, unyielding, fixated, narrow and stifling.&lt;br /&gt;
There are other commentators on Mondoweiss that I suppose should  moderate their language but for all that the input of Phil and Adam is prodigious and life affirming.&lt;br /&gt;
It is an effort to read Mondoweiss daily of the bloody mindedness and hard heartedness of Israeli zealots. &lt;br /&gt;
If I  read again that slime word &quot;antisemitism&quot; slung at Phil by some of Realistic Dove people I will vomit.&lt;br /&gt;
Is that the only way to refute an idea, a discussion or a view?  &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Malfara<br />
Thanks.<br />
I went to &quot;Realistic Dove&quot;, a site that I viewed once or twice, a now know why it grated me.<br />
The usual suspects comment there  and are I   repetitive, unyielding, fixated, narrow and stifling.<br />
There are other commentators on Mondoweiss that I suppose should  moderate their language but for all that the input of Phil and Adam is prodigious and life affirming.<br />
It is an effort to read Mondoweiss daily of the bloody mindedness and hard heartedness of Israeli zealots. <br />
If I  read again that slime word &quot;antisemitism&quot; slung at Phil by some of Realistic Dove people I will vomit.<br />
Is that the only way to refute an idea, a discussion or a view?  </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;By &quot;up against&quot;, I hope you mean, &quot;whose concerns must be addressed&quot;, not just the usual dismissal and retaliation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Right and left.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &quot;up against&quot;, I hope you mean, &quot;whose concerns must be addressed&quot;, not just the usual dismissal and retaliation.</p>
<p>Right and left.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Iran is a bigger issue today anyway.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Have you looked at Haaretz? Israel is saber-rattling. Iran is saber-rattling.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran is a bigger issue today anyway.</p>
<p>Have you looked at Haaretz? Israel is saber-rattling. Iran is saber-rattling.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva Smagacz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva Smagacz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gaza. Iran is next....&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;img src=&quot;http://filasteen.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/old-man-in-gaza-ruins.jpg?w=450&amp;h=299&quot;&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaza. Iran is next&#8230;.<br />
<img src="http://filasteen.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/old-man-in-gaza-ruins.jpg?w=450&#038;h=299"/></p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ Witty&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;By &quot;up against&quot;, I hope you mean, &quot;whose concerns must be addressed&quot;, not just the usual dismissal and retaliation&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here also, it&#039;s a matter of scale. Just as Mr. Witty ignores that matter in terms of actual comparative physical death and destruction, he pretends in the same manner that the usual dismissal and retaliation comes from both sides equally in terms of quantity and quality, and&lt;br /&gt;
with equal funding.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If this was so and is so, Phil would never have been moved to set up and plug away on this&lt;br /&gt;
blog, Carter and M &amp; W would never have written their books, J Street wouldn&#039;t finally have&lt;br /&gt;
been set up, etc. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Witty</p>
<p>&quot;By &quot;up against&quot;, I hope you mean, &quot;whose concerns must be addressed&quot;, not just the usual dismissal and retaliation&quot;</p>
<p>Here also, it&#39;s a matter of scale. Just as Mr. Witty ignores that matter in terms of actual comparative physical death and destruction, he pretends in the same manner that the usual dismissal and retaliation comes from both sides equally in terms of quantity and quality, and<br />
with equal funding.</p>
<p>If this was so and is so, Phil would never have been moved to set up and plug away on this<br />
blog, Carter and M &amp; W would never have written their books, J Street wouldn&#39;t finally have<br />
been set up, etc. </p>
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		<title>By: Joel Bitar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Bitar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Witty, Philip&#039;s blog post isn&#039;t about Iran. I don&#039;t think we should change the topic.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was at Mads Gilbert&#039;s lecture last evening at Columbia University, a few hours after the NYU lecture. I was disappointed that the turnout wasn&#039;t bigger due to what I read on Mondoweiss about the turnout at U of Chicago. The NYU lecture earlier on in the day was publicized around the activist community; but not the Columbia lecture. Campus Anti-War Network had a listserv going around about him speaking at NYU, but the only info I heard about him at Columbia came from Phil&#039;s blog. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My family and I were actually talking to Helen Schiff after the event. [Phil, she told me you went to the NYU lecture and I silently wished I had gone so I could have run into you. We both think that your voice is strong within the activist community.] Once again, she called out the crowd to realize our voices in determining U.S. foreign policy regarding Israel. During the lecture, Mads said he would be interested in coming back to the city to make the presentation again if we provided him with a venue. I told Helen afterwards, that I truly thought we could get 200-300 people to come to a Dr. Gilbert presentation in the future if we organized it correctly. That is, if Campus Anti-War Network + Jews Say No (with the loveable Dorothy Zellner) + Code Pink organized it. She completely agreed.  Phil/Adam, if Helen Schiff and I are able to organize something in the future [with Dr. Gilbert] would you announce it on the blog? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Aside from my excitement to organize with good hearted activists after the lecture, I was pretty heartbroken by the end of the lecture. The few photos that Dr. Gilbert was able to take were only a small picture of the awful sights he experienced working at Al-Shifa hospital during the “war”. Children literally got limbs ripped off by DIME (Dense Inert Metal Explosives) while Israel was collectively punishing the civilian population in Gaza. He provided first hand testimony and strong evidence to support that Israel attacked civilian targets purposefully. After about 400 civilians had perished, Shimon Peres exclaimed that the operation had gone 90 percent according to plan. All those civilians’ casualties were part of the plan Shimon?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mads Gilbert said that the doctors in the Gaza hospitals didn’t need him and his colleagues. He was there to provide solidarity and I believe he is a truly courageous person. His colleagues and he were the only European journalists reporting out of Gaza during the siege, because the IDF had blocked foreign reporters. Fox News called his testimony, terrorist proganda, (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477881,00.html) so he must saying resembling truthfulness. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thank you Dr. Gilbert. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Phil let me know if you can give Helen and me a shout-out in the future about a Dr. Gilbert event if we need one.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;-Joel&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witty, Philip&#39;s blog post isn&#39;t about Iran. I don&#39;t think we should change the topic.</p>
<p>I was at Mads Gilbert&#39;s lecture last evening at Columbia University, a few hours after the NYU lecture. I was disappointed that the turnout wasn&#39;t bigger due to what I read on Mondoweiss about the turnout at U of Chicago. The NYU lecture earlier on in the day was publicized around the activist community; but not the Columbia lecture. Campus Anti-War Network had a listserv going around about him speaking at NYU, but the only info I heard about him at Columbia came from Phil&#39;s blog. </p>
<p>My family and I were actually talking to Helen Schiff after the event. [Phil, she told me you went to the NYU lecture and I silently wished I had gone so I could have run into you. We both think that your voice is strong within the activist community.] Once again, she called out the crowd to realize our voices in determining U.S. foreign policy regarding Israel. During the lecture, Mads said he would be interested in coming back to the city to make the presentation again if we provided him with a venue. I told Helen afterwards, that I truly thought we could get 200-300 people to come to a Dr. Gilbert presentation in the future if we organized it correctly. That is, if Campus Anti-War Network + Jews Say No (with the loveable Dorothy Zellner) + Code Pink organized it. She completely agreed.  Phil/Adam, if Helen Schiff and I are able to organize something in the future [with Dr. Gilbert] would you announce it on the blog? </p>
<p>Aside from my excitement to organize with good hearted activists after the lecture, I was pretty heartbroken by the end of the lecture. The few photos that Dr. Gilbert was able to take were only a small picture of the awful sights he experienced working at Al-Shifa hospital during the “war”. Children literally got limbs ripped off by DIME (Dense Inert Metal Explosives) while Israel was collectively punishing the civilian population in Gaza. He provided first hand testimony and strong evidence to support that Israel attacked civilian targets purposefully. After about 400 civilians had perished, Shimon Peres exclaimed that the operation had gone 90 percent according to plan. All those civilians’ casualties were part of the plan Shimon?</p>
<p>Mads Gilbert said that the doctors in the Gaza hospitals didn’t need him and his colleagues. He was there to provide solidarity and I believe he is a truly courageous person. His colleagues and he were the only European journalists reporting out of Gaza during the siege, because the IDF had blocked foreign reporters. Fox News called his testimony, terrorist proganda, (<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,477881,00.html)">link to foxnews.com</a><br /> so he must saying resembling truthfulness. </p>
<p>Thank you Dr. Gilbert. </p>
<p>(Phil let me know if you can give Helen and me a shout-out in the future about a Dr. Gilbert event if we need one.)</p>
<p>-Joel</p>
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		<title>By: sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And, we would never have attacked Iraq, the war of ideas come home to roost.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, we would never have attacked Iraq, the war of ideas come home to roost.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@ Witty&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Iran is a bigger issue today anyway.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Have you looked at Haaretz? Israel is saber-rattling. Iran is saber-rattling&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When&#039;s the last time Iran attacked another country, 240 years ago?&lt;br /&gt;
When Iran helped us in Afganistan after 9/11, and offered help otherwise, including putting brakes on&lt;br /&gt;
Hamas and Hezbollah, the response it got was to be named part of &quot;the Axis Of Evil.&quot; A Bronx Cheer, a raspberry--berift of living Iran memory, e.g., the puppet regime of the Shah.&lt;br /&gt;
When Iran looks around its neighborhood, does it view itself as less vulnerable than Israel&lt;br /&gt;
views itself? Does it not see how N Korea&#039;s nuke ability protects it, that insurance policy&lt;br /&gt;
hardly a shadow of what Israel obtained on the sly?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Iran is a bigger issue today than settling the I-P conflict only in the mind of Likud, especially&lt;br /&gt;
Israel&#039;s new regime--Witty has already bought their new spiel, really an old one, PNAC&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Witty</p>
<p>&quot;Iran is a bigger issue today anyway.</p>
<p>Have you looked at Haaretz? Israel is saber-rattling. Iran is saber-rattling&quot;</p>
<p>When&#39;s the last time Iran attacked another country, 240 years ago?<br />
When Iran helped us in Afganistan after 9/11, and offered help otherwise, including putting brakes on<br />
Hamas and Hezbollah, the response it got was to be named part of &quot;the Axis Of Evil.&quot; A Bronx Cheer, a raspberry&#8211;berift of living Iran memory, e.g., the puppet regime of the Shah.<br />
When Iran looks around its neighborhood, does it view itself as less vulnerable than Israel<br />
views itself? Does it not see how N Korea&#39;s nuke ability protects it, that insurance policy<br />
hardly a shadow of what Israel obtained on the sly?</p>
<p>Iran is a bigger issue today than settling the I-P conflict only in the mind of Likud, especially<br />
Israel&#39;s new regime&#8211;Witty has already bought their new spiel, really an old one, PNAC&#39;s.</p>
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