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	<title>Comments on: If the &#8216;Israeli agent&#8217; in the Harman scandal turns out merely to be an &#8216;influential donor,&#8217; why is it any less of a scandal?</title>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The story is huge no matter who the players are, and I would say that it is a worse situation when American members of an ethnic minority are acting on behalf of a foreign government without foreign agents being involved. An honest person understands that the situation with organized Jewry throws immigration, assimilation and multiculturalism into question.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story is huge no matter who the players are, and I would say that it is a worse situation when American members of an ethnic minority are acting on behalf of a foreign government without foreign agents being involved. An honest person understands that the situation with organized Jewry throws immigration, assimilation and multiculturalism into question.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/04/jane_harman_and_the_israeli_sp.php&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jane Harman and the Israeli Spy&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;20 Apr 2009 11:16 am&lt;br /&gt;
This story smells a bit funny, and Ron Kampeas points out why:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;    There are a lot of problems with how this story came about. Its sources seem to have it in for Harman, yet their supposedly damning leaks are rehash - and the story&#039;s major news is not about her alleged misdeeds, but that the National Security Agency was listening in on her call, and that the CIA boss wanted to get a tap on her.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;    Also, the timing, weeks before the trial, is supect, and looks a lot like a desperate late in the game bid to salvage what has become a dog of a case.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, Haim Saban is an Israeli spy? Really? He&#039;s Israeli, yes, but a spy? This is what is being intimated, at least. &lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Jane Harman and the Israeli Spy</p>
<p>20 Apr 2009 11:16 am<br />
This story smells a bit funny, and Ron Kampeas points out why:</p>
<p>    There are a lot of problems with how this story came about. Its sources seem to have it in for Harman, yet their supposedly damning leaks are rehash &#8211; and the story&#39;s major news is not about her alleged misdeeds, but that the National Security Agency was listening in on her call, and that the CIA boss wanted to get a tap on her.</p>
<p>    Also, the timing, weeks before the trial, is supect, and looks a lot like a desperate late in the game bid to salvage what has become a dog of a case.</p>
<p>Also, Haim Saban is an Israeli spy? Really? He&#39;s Israeli, yes, but a spy? This is what is being intimated, at least. </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/20/jane-harman-recorded-on-w_n_188795.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jane Harman Recorded On Wiretap Promising to Intervene for AIPAC, Say Sources&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
You see the source, Huffington Post. What does this say about your recent paranoia about the Huffington Post as an AIPAC dominated publication?&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Jane Harman Recorded On Wiretap Promising to Intervene for AIPAC, Say Sources</p>
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You see the source, Huffington Post. What does this say about your recent paranoia about the Huffington Post as an AIPAC dominated publication?</p>
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		<title>By: moshe</title>
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		<dc:creator>moshe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The only dog around the AIPAC spy case is the one sniffing at the smell of it wafting up, the smell&lt;br /&gt;
so rancid with how our government does not act in our best interest. And the MSM covers it up. Why hasn&#039;t this case ever reached a TV talking head debate on prime time? No other ethnic group&lt;br /&gt;
would be immune. Issues of document classification, of back-door intelligence theft, indirect bribery of our representatives, etc. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only dog around the AIPAC spy case is the one sniffing at the smell of it wafting up, the smell<br />
so rancid with how our government does not act in our best interest. And the MSM covers it up. Why hasn&#39;t this case ever reached a TV talking head debate on prime time? No other ethnic group<br />
would be immune. Issues of document classification, of back-door intelligence theft, indirect bribery of our representatives, etc. </p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Witty, covering .01% of a massive, years old, ongoing scandal that has touched nearly the entire Washington political establishment and most of the mainstream media hardly exculpates any publication. Of course, you know this, but apparently consider Weiss and/or his readers to be stupid.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witty, covering .01% of a massive, years old, ongoing scandal that has touched nearly the entire Washington political establishment and most of the mainstream media hardly exculpates any publication. Of course, you know this, but apparently consider Weiss and/or his readers to be stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: David F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/04/jane_harman_and_the_israeli_sp.php&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jane Harman and the Israeli Spy&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;20 Apr 2009 11:16 am&lt;br /&gt;
This story smells a bit funny, and Ron Kampeas points out why:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are a lot of problems with how this story came about. Its sources seem to have it in for Harman, yet their supposedly damning leaks are rehash...&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
****&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Comments on this entry have been closed.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I smell fear.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Jane Harman and the Israeli Spy</p>
<p>20 Apr 2009 11:16 am<br />
This story smells a bit funny, and Ron Kampeas points out why:</p>
<p>There are a lot of problems with how this story came about. Its sources seem to have it in for Harman, yet their supposedly damning leaks are rehash&#8230;&quot;<br />
****</p>
<p>&quot;Comments on this entry have been closed.&quot;</p>
<p>I smell fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not ready to put too much faith in details until this story has been more thoroughly investigated. There is a lot of speculation occurring before reliable data is available. We don&#039;t know if the &#039;Israeli agent&#039; was Haim Saban. Even if he were, we do not know how the monitoring government entity actually designated him. &#039;Israeli agent&#039; could merely be how the reporter or leaker chose to describe him. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It appears, hopefully accurately, that someone in counter-intelligence has the stones to trace Israel-firster espionage wherever the trail leads. AIPAC and other Lobby operatives are likely getting nervous when even a sitting Congresswoman is taped. It may hinder their illegal activities to some degree.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The issue of &#039;surveillance of a congress member&#039; is a red herring. The only issue is whether it was done &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;legally&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. There is no evidence thus far that it was Representative Harmon who was initially surveilled, rather than her interlocutor, or that anything illegal was done by anyone other than Rep. Harmon or the alleged &#039;Israeli spy&#039;. &lt;b&gt;Members of Congress are NOT above the law, even if they are Lobby operatives.&lt;/b&gt; If the details of this story released thus far &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; accurate, then she damn well better have &lt;i&gt;become&lt;/i&gt; a surveillance target after her brazen offer to obstruct legal proceedings of the Department of Justice of the United States of American on behalf of a foreign power. If not, there is more wiretapping to be done.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
********************************************&lt;br /&gt;
@ Richard Witty &#124; April 20, 2009 at 11:51 AM&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Also, the timing, weeks before the trial, is supect, ...&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The timing of the allegations is irrelevant, only their veracity. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt; ... and looks a lot like a desperate late in the game bid to salvage what has become a dog of a case.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A dog of a case according to whom? I recall hearing myriad similar protestations of prosecutorial futility before &#039;Pooperscooper&#039; Libby went to trial, and he was convicted by a jury of his peers without undue fuss. Propaganda and wishful thinking distributed by the punditry to the faithful to keep their spirits up before the moment of truth have no power once the gavel falls and actual evidence is upon the table. In spite of the staggering damage control and deference done and shown by Lobby operatives and sympathizers such as former United States Attorney Paul McNulty and Judge Ellis, the charges look very much alive. We&#039;ll see starting 28 May, assuming that yet another delay is not granted by Judge Ellis for yet another spurious reason.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;USA v. Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman (&quot;The AIPAC Case&quot;): Selected Case Files&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not ready to put too much faith in details until this story has been more thoroughly investigated. There is a lot of speculation occurring before reliable data is available. We don&#39;t know if the &#39;Israeli agent&#39; was Haim Saban. Even if he were, we do not know how the monitoring government entity actually designated him. &#39;Israeli agent&#39; could merely be how the reporter or leaker chose to describe him. </p>
<p>It appears, hopefully accurately, that someone in counter-intelligence has the stones to trace Israel-firster espionage wherever the trail leads. AIPAC and other Lobby operatives are likely getting nervous when even a sitting Congresswoman is taped. It may hinder their illegal activities to some degree.</p>
<p>The issue of &#39;surveillance of a congress member&#39; is a red herring. The only issue is whether it was done <i><b>legally</b></i>. There is no evidence thus far that it was Representative Harmon who was initially surveilled, rather than her interlocutor, or that anything illegal was done by anyone other than Rep. Harmon or the alleged &#39;Israeli spy&#39;. <b>Members of Congress are NOT above the law, even if they are Lobby operatives.</b> If the details of this story released thus far <i>are</i> accurate, then she damn well better have <i>become</i> a surveillance target after her brazen offer to obstruct legal proceedings of the Department of Justice of the United States of American on behalf of a foreign power. If not, there is more wiretapping to be done.</p>
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@ Richard Witty | April 20, 2009 at 11:51 AM</p>
<p><i>Also, the timing, weeks before the trial, is supect, &#8230;</i></p>
<p>The timing of the allegations is irrelevant, only their veracity. </p>
<p><i> &#8230; and looks a lot like a desperate late in the game bid to salvage what has become a dog of a case.</i></p>
<p>A dog of a case according to whom? I recall hearing myriad similar protestations of prosecutorial futility before &#39;Pooperscooper&#39; Libby went to trial, and he was convicted by a jury of his peers without undue fuss. Propaganda and wishful thinking distributed by the punditry to the faithful to keep their spirits up before the moment of truth have no power once the gavel falls and actual evidence is upon the table. In spite of the staggering damage control and deference done and shown by Lobby operatives and sympathizers such as former United States Attorney Paul McNulty and Judge Ellis, the charges look very much alive. We&#39;ll see starting 28 May, assuming that yet another delay is not granted by Judge Ellis for yet another spurious reason.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/aipac/index.html" rel="nofollow">USA v. Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman (&quot;The AIPAC Case&quot;): Selected Case Files</a></p>
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		<title>By: LanceThruster</title>
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		<dc:creator>LanceThruster</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;The lady &lt;/i&gt;(or actually the Z-team in this case)&lt;i&gt; doth protest too much, methinks.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let it shine!&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;The lady </i>(or actually the Z-team in this case)<i> doth protest too much, methinks.&quot;</i></p>
<p>Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let it shine!</p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
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		<dc:creator>DICKERSON3870</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: &quot;In matters relating to security, that moved me [Saban] to the right. Very far to the right.&quot; &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;FROM MATTHEW IGLESIAS (06-10-07):&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you&#039;re interested in the foreign policy views of major Hillary Clinton financial backer Haim Saban, there&#039;s no need to follow the Atrios path of attempting guilt by association with Kenneth Pollack. He discussed his views on the Middle East and Persian Gulf region in great detail in a reasonably recent interview with Haaretz:&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;When I see Ahmadinejad, I see Hitler. They speak the same language. His motivation is also clear: the return of the Mahdi is a supreme goal. And for a religious person of deep self-persuasion, that supreme goal is worth the liquidation of five and a half million Jews. We cannot allow ourselves that. Nuclear weapons in the hands of a religious leadership that is convinced that the annihilation of Israel will bring about the emergence of a new Muslim caliphate? Israel cannot allow that. This is no game. It&#039;s truly an existential danger.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;SOURCE - http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/06/haim_saban.php&lt;br /&gt;
HAARETZ INTERVIEW - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/798292.html&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &quot;In matters relating to security, that moved me [Saban] to the right. Very far to the right.&quot; </p>
<p>FROM MATTHEW IGLESIAS (06-10-07):</p>
<p>If you&#39;re interested in the foreign policy views of major Hillary Clinton financial backer Haim Saban, there&#39;s no need to follow the Atrios path of attempting guilt by association with Kenneth Pollack. He discussed his views on the Middle East and Persian Gulf region in great detail in a reasonably recent interview with Haaretz:<br />
&quot;When I see Ahmadinejad, I see Hitler. They speak the same language. His motivation is also clear: the return of the Mahdi is a supreme goal. And for a religious person of deep self-persuasion, that supreme goal is worth the liquidation of five and a half million Jews. We cannot allow ourselves that. Nuclear weapons in the hands of a religious leadership that is convinced that the annihilation of Israel will bring about the emergence of a new Muslim caliphate? Israel cannot allow that. This is no game. It&#39;s truly an existential danger.&quot;</p>
<p>SOURCE &#8211; <a href="http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/06/haim_saban.phpbr">link to matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com</a><br /> /><br />
HAARETZ INTERVIEW &#8211; <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/798292.html/p">link to haaretz.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: DICKERSON3870</title>
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		<dc:creator>DICKERSON3870</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: &quot;Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let it shine!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In 1913 [future] Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, a forceful proponent for open government, stated &quot;Sunlight is the best disinfectant; electric light the most efficient policeman&quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: &quot;Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let it shine!&quot;</p>
<p>In 1913 [future] Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, a forceful proponent for open government, stated &quot;Sunlight is the best disinfectant; electric light the most efficient policeman&quot;. </p>
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