Norman H. Olsen, a former senior United States Foreign Service officer who served in the US Embassy in Tel Aviv, writing in the Christian Science Monitor:
[Netanyahu's] policies may be misguided, but his intellectual honesty may prove salutary. The Israeli right and its American supporters have a hard time claiming Israeli moderation and reasonableness when Netanyahu and his ministers openly oppose a two-state arrangement; affirm the blockade of Gaza, preventing reconstruction there; tout settlement expansion; brag of undermining US efforts to talk with Iran; and threaten an attack on Iran – across US-controlled Iraqi airspace – that could jeopardize US troops and interests throughout the region.In lifting the veil on Israeli policy and the criticism-stifling fiction of US-Israeli mutual interest, Netanyahu leaves the US open, finally, to voice and pursue its own positions and interests.
Finally, Washington can say, clearly and forcefully, that Israel’s occupation harms US interests; that an attack on Iran is unacceptable and will get no US support, even in the UN Security Council; that settlement construction must stop and barriers be removed; that meetings are no substitute for progress; that Palestinians must be granted the opportunity – a real one – to form a viable state; and that the time has come for one of the world’s wealthiest countries to be weaned off American largess.
I hope to hell someone is clipping these articles for Obama. He doesn't have his Blackberry yet.
the unbearable suffering of being – a jew. fated to always hating; always being the parasite never a neighbor; always being at war with mankind.
the unbearable joy of being – a jewpet. fated to always being a disposable catspaw; a host to a deathgiving parasite.
all good jews and good jew pets shout out:
"ISRAEL HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST". anything else is deception and lies.
i will guess that paul malfara will be the first; 2nd, will be a silversomething; 3rd, mr magnes zionist; 4th, a german whose existence is yet to be found. others will follow.
Olsen does a nice job describing Israel's "pattern of pretending." Remember when lying was like a red flag to journalists?
Shlomos, you're frothing again. Wipe your mouth.
There needs to be a discussion concerning the illegitimacy of a jewish state in Palestine…
"Finally, Washington can say, clearly and forcefully, that Israel's occupation harms US". occupation of US olsen means to say but some how does not.
"Netanyahu leaves the US open, finally, to voice and pursue its own positions and interests." the us position as defined by jewry and its docile pets.
" that Palestinians must be granted the opportunity – a real one – to form a viable state" this would be where – DC zoo?
I only see two logical solutions for the problem of Israel,the jewish people and the world.
Either abolish Israel as Jewish state or else send ALL Jews from every other country to live in Israel. Make it truely a Jews -Only state and the Only country Jews can live in.
Both sound extreme but is there any other solution to the world's problem with Israel, Israel's problem with the world or the Jews problem with what they see as eternal universal anti semitism?
Let's face it,other populations are never going to accept the zionist leaders of the Jewish communities trying to bend their countries and government to the service of the Jews and Israel. We have already seen the resistence to that here and even moreso elsewhere.
So,delete Israel as Jewish and do away with the zionist cause and reasons for minipulation of other governments in Israel's behalf.. Or put all Jews in Israel where they can legitmately work for Israel without being in conflict with the interest of other countries populations and subject to anti semitism.
There would have to be some exceptions worked out for Jews who don't wish to do this but they would have to be strict exceptions.
The jews like witty, berel and other Israeli die hards should accept one of these options as the most resonable way to end their problems with the rest of the world.
Last night I was at a conference in L.A. We randomly took tables for the dinner, with various people of different backgrounds. A woman who was clearly an Israel-first neo-con was going into a rant about how the Dems were endangering American security interests. I calmly engaged her to respectfully debate her as to whether it was now time to agree that, as between Obama and Netanyahu, the interests of the U.S. and Israel are no longer aligned.
Here are some of her comments:
"Waterboarding is not torture. Even if it is, it has been used sparingly by the CIA and the information gleaned from it has prevented dozens of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil."
"Having Obama and Netanyahu on a collision course is a 'good thing' because Obama needs to know that Congress is going to support Israel's policies over his."
"The US needs to bomb Iran because they will be able to smuggle a nuclear weapon into America and so American interests are aligned with Israel's to strike Iran now."
"The Iraq war is justified because the U.S. needs to maintain a permanent military presence to contain Iran as a threat in the region."
It was child's play to decimate most of her hasbara talking-point positions, since she is defending the indefensible. She claimed to be a Republican but not a conservative. I asked her, does that mean you're a Bush-Republican. No, she said, because she's actually liberal on all other causes except being hawkish on attacking Middle Eastern countries. That hardly qualifies her to be an American. She is simply an Israel-first Zionist who beeps and squawks about deploying American soldiers to undermine a two-state solution.
This is what the I/P situation is up against.
The idea of forcibly sending all Jews to Israel is obviously crazy and not in any sense a "logical solution" to anything. What we need is for our government and our population to become more sensible and less vulnerable to manipulation by monied special interests (and not just in relation to Israel).
As for "abolishing Israel as a Jewish state", that also is not truly necessary, but it might be easier than other solutions. For Israel to survive as a Jewish state, it needs to withdraw to internationally-accepted borders and come up with reasonable solutions to the issues of its non-Jewish citizens.
The alternative is for Israel to truly become the modern liberal democracy that it claims to be, with equal rights for all citizens. Of course, at that point it would no longer be a "Jewish state", especially once the Palestinians become the majority ethnicity due to their higher birth rate.
Netanyahu and Lieberman are still stuck looking for a way to accomplish the third option, which is to expand the Jewish state to include all of Palestine from Golan to the Negev, from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River, and either expelling all the Palestinians or dominating those that remain in a manner completely incompatible with modern ideas of human rights and democracy. They seem to be having real trouble understanding that the world will not sit still for this forever. They are keeping Israel on course for national self-destruction.
there seems to be a deep and consistent attachment to lunacy that marks these people.. thanks for sharing that…
American, I find your plan quite acceptable and practicable, but I would like one proviso; I get an all-expenses-paid, luxury-hotel, two-week tour of Israel to see if I like it. If I do, I'll consider offers to stay.
Other than that, I don't see a single possible objection to a plan which combines both the humane and the practical. Maybe you can think of one.
Great report. That type was behind the Obama is a Muslim email campaign as well. Nutjobs.
There is continuing very strong mutual US-Israeli mutual interests. Both seek some Mediterranean and Middle Eastern more open trade environment.
But, there is a growing difference of opinion as to how to get there, and what that entails.
Netanyahu's approach of comply with only Israel's needs, and only conceived in very limited respect, does not have a long life. There are too many internal contradictions with his proposals, to realize any open trade relationships, anything describable as peace and security, or any other measure of improvement in Israel's experience and reputation.
The ambiguity of Hamas, Hezbollah's, Iran's stated willingness to accept Palestinian ratified peace accords is an obstacle, but they end up marginalized in a negotiation that is very close to the Arab League proposal.
Hamas actually controls a lot, by controlling the tone of Israeli public opinion. If Hamas escalates or continues assaults on civilians and attempted assaults, then Israeli public opinion will likely remain defensive. If Hamas unilaterally or by agreement establishes another hudna, without a close-curtain sunset date, then its credibility will rise internationally, and 67 borders might be close, given the Arab League reiteration of its proposal.
Partition is never the answer, a one state solution is the only solution.
The more serious problem lies in the poisoning of the American political process by the Israel Lobby (or as I term it: the Zionist Virtual Colonial/Imperial Motherland) and the damage that corrupt Jewish social networking is doing to the world economy: Jewish Financial Aggression, Worldwide Economic Nakba. There really is only one solution: criminalizing support for the State of Israel as aiding and abetting Zionist terrorism. Then Zionists can be purged from the political, economic, academic and media systems with concomitant seizure of all their assets: Saving America in 100 Words.
What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Disloyal Zionist Jews actively tried to purge honest American Muslims and Arabs all throughout the Bush administration. Jewish Zionists won't learn anything unless they receive their own medicine.
Hamas actually controls a lot, by controlling the tone of Israeli public opinion.
And No.2 "Arabs suck" raises its ugly little head. But now I think about it, why shouldn't Hamas control Israel, too. I mean, they were elected, after all.
Witty, how can you not break out in a cold sweat when you type a sentence like that. It averages a lie every two words.
Oh, No.2, "Arabs Suck"? It's all here, in "How to Make the Case for Israel- And Win!"
http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-make-case-for-israel-and-win.html
Four simple rules, which the zio-trolls adhere to religiously, although Witty likes a lot of schmaltz on it:
1. Israel Rocks!
2. "Arabs" Suck!
3. You Suck!
4. The Whole World Sucks!!
And there, my friend, you have almost the whole of the Hasbara
If Israel wants a new cease-fire with Hamas, maybe they should think about how they failed to live up to the terms of the last one. Why should Hamas agree to a cease-fire now (much less initiate one unilaterally) without a definite Israeli commitment to cease hostilities and open the borders, verifiable by international observers?
Nevada, gentlemen, Nevada. Zion is a State of Mind: let it be Nevada.
One encounters such concentrations of bilious spite on the web frequently. Encountering it in the non-virtual world is an appalling prospect.
As I've stated a dozen times, Hamas got Netanyahu/Leiberman elected by the timing of their resumption of shelling of Israeli civilians.
They could have waited. They accomplished NOTHING, far less than nothing, by it.
To presume that they don't have influence like that, is to treat them as children, still.
Jaqueline we think alike except I think we should give the Israelis Wyoming, already one of the more parasitic states in the Union. Instead of sending the $4 billion annually to the ME it could go to Wyoming.
This report should make the Zionists here happy:
White House miscalculations linger
By Shahir Shahidsaless
EXCERPT:
"or those who were hoping that the Barack Obama administration had genuinely intended to resolve issues between Washington and Tehran, recent news has been disappointing.
Hillary Clinton, in her first congressional testimony since becoming secretary of state, commented, "We actually believe that by following the diplomatic path we are on, we gain credibility and influence with a number of nations who would have to participate in order to make the sanctions regime as tight and as crippling as we would want it to be."
Iranians are not blind. Clinton's blunt message means that the United States will not join the negotiation table to resolve differences. Rather, its intention is to convince other nations to impose crippling sanctions on Iran, regardless of whether Iran is carrying out its nuclear activities within the boundaries of nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), even if there may be no single shred of evidence that Iran is developing nuclear military programs.
Clinton's vision is also confirmed by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. According to the LA Times, in a recent speech, while warning Israel of striking Iran's nuclear facilities, Gates asserted that the only way to prevent Iran from acquiring an atomic bomb was to make "Iranians themselves decide it's too costly".
The administration's ultimate goal is to adopt hard-to-bear policies that will drive Iranians to the point were they throw their hands up in the air and halt their nuclear program.
The problem with this approach – which is now shaping the core of US policy towards Iran – is that it simply won’t work….."
To read the rest, go to:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KD28Ak02.html
Another interesting report on Iranian/U.S. relations:
US and Iran stuck at pre-dialogue
By Kaveh L Afrasiabi
EXCERPT:
"….According to a Tehran University political scientist, Iran's principled solidarity with the Palestinians "is perpetually misunderstood by Israel, Egypt and some other conservative Arab states as a sign of Iran's regional ambition, when the real drive behind that solidarity is not political but rather moral and religious".
However, most analysts in Iran are convinced that Israel deliberately focuses on the "Iran threat" and exaggerates it to get itself out of the "two-state box" and continue with its policy of land grab in the Occupied Territories.
The same Tehran professor is adamant that Israel is pressuring Washington to draw a line in the sand on Iran's nuclear issue, principally to "convince us that the road to Washington from Tehran goes through Tel Aviv". As a result, Tehran is focussed on the meeting of Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This is one of the several reasons why the ship of dialogue is presently anchored in the marshland of a "wait and see" that will not, hopefully, degenerate into another round of "waiting for Godot"."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KD29Ak01.html
Gee Richard, if Hamas has that much influence in Israel, well you've got a defacto one-state already. Why not make it official?
words from the article…."Finally, Washington can say"…. more talk, less action?