Comments on: Secret, horrifying post, scratched on the cave wall in 2009 for anthropologists to discover 100s of years from now http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:15:43 +0000 hourly 1 By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html/comment-page-1#comment-19639 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/10/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html#comment-19639 <p>They should speak out. There are ways to distinguish their exact sentiments.</p> <p>Saying that one was appalled by the war does NOT mean that one supports terror, nor that one supports threats to Israel, nor that one opposes Israel's right to self-defense.</p> <p>It does suggest subsequent questions. What appalled you? The use of white phosphorous? The careless (or intentional) targeting of civilian (non-military) buildings? The callousness of the sentiment of many of the soldiers?</p> <p>Its possible to be clear. Its possible for the individuals that you spoke to, and its possible for you.</p> They should speak out. There are ways to distinguish their exact sentiments.

Saying that one was appalled by the war does NOT mean that one supports terror, nor that one supports threats to Israel, nor that one opposes Israel's right to self-defense.

It does suggest subsequent questions. What appalled you? The use of white phosphorous? The careless (or intentional) targeting of civilian (non-military) buildings? The callousness of the sentiment of many of the soldiers?

Its possible to be clear. Its possible for the individuals that you spoke to, and its possible for you.

]]> By: tommy http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html/comment-page-1#comment-19640 tommy Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/10/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html#comment-19640 <p>Human beings should have spoken out against Israel's militancy in 2006, when Israel was bombing apartment blocks in Beirut and mining children's playgrounds. The recent Gaza atrocity was bad, but not unique. There will be another similar event soon, then another, another, and another. Then another. Anathema upon the cowards who cannot condemn Israel's actions.</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> Human beings should have spoken out against Israel's militancy in 2006, when Israel was bombing apartment blocks in Beirut and mining children's playgrounds. The recent Gaza atrocity was bad, but not unique. There will be another similar event soon, then another, another, and another. Then another. Anathema upon the cowards who cannot condemn Israel's actions.

]]> By: Ed http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html/comment-page-1#comment-19641 Ed Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/10/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html#comment-19641 <p>"Both these people are prominent, well-known in intellectual circles. Both rely on institutional support. Both are left-liberal. Both are affluent."</p> <p>In other words, limousine liberals. One of the most disgustingly hypocritical species on the face of the earth, and poison to the societies in which they dwell. The Israel lobby has them in droves. <br /> </p> "Both these people are prominent, well-known in intellectual circles. Both rely on institutional support. Both are left-liberal. Both are affluent."

In other words, limousine liberals. One of the most disgustingly hypocritical species on the face of the earth, and poison to the societies in which they dwell. The Israel lobby has them in droves.

]]> By: Vera Beaudin Saeedpour http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html/comment-page-1#comment-19642 Vera Beaudin Saeedpour Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/10/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html#comment-19642 <p>Jews who prefer to remain anonymous as they speak their minds in quiet corners where their positions or their promotions or their reputations remain intact are not alone. I remember when the academics of CUNY grad school, not all of them Jewish, refused a session on the Walt Mearsheimer book because the topic was "too controversial." And these are the teachers of the young? Ultimately, the price of silence is far higher than the price of peace at any price. </p> <p>"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality." Dante alighieri<br /> </p> Jews who prefer to remain anonymous as they speak their minds in quiet corners where their positions or their promotions or their reputations remain intact are not alone. I remember when the academics of CUNY grad school, not all of them Jewish, refused a session on the Walt Mearsheimer book because the topic was "too controversial." And these are the teachers of the young? Ultimately, the price of silence is far higher than the price of peace at any price.

"The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality." Dante alighieri

]]> By: LanceThruster http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html/comment-page-1#comment-19643 LanceThruster Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/10/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html#comment-19643 <p><i>"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral."</i> ~ Paulo Freire<br /> </p> "Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral." ~ Paulo Freire

]]> By: Citizen http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html/comment-page-1#comment-19644 Citizen Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/10/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html#comment-19644 <p>And these are people of means and influence, living in a state affording maxim free speech, a state founded on a declaration of the principle that all men are created equal before the law, etc. </p> <p>Imagine what they would be like in any past or present police state. </p> <p>I guess it all depends on who's ox is being<br /> gored. </p> <p>Well, we can all cease wondering why more old time Germans never spoke up, or those Poles who smelled the smoke coming from the chimneys, looked up briefly, then continued their plowing...</p> <p>Lesson learned?</p> And these are people of means and influence, living in a state affording maxim free speech, a state founded on a declaration of the principle that all men are created equal before the law, etc.

Imagine what they would be like in any past or present police state.

I guess it all depends on who's ox is being
gored.

Well, we can all cease wondering why more old time Germans never spoke up, or those Poles who smelled the smoke coming from the chimneys, looked up briefly, then continued their plowing…

Lesson learned?

]]> By: MRW. http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html/comment-page-1#comment-19645 MRW. Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/10/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html#comment-19645 <p>Right. <blockquote>"I was appalled by the Gaza war. I don't want to speak out against it." <br /> Both these people are prominent, well-known in intellectual circles. Both rely on institutional support. Both are left-liberal. Both are affluent.</blockquote></p> <p>But American gentiles have had 60 years of accusations flung at them about how they kept quiet. The biggest Jewish whine is that no one spoke up when it mattered. So now these two guys know what it feels like. What goes around....</p> Right.
"I was appalled by the Gaza war. I don't want to speak out against it."
Both these people are prominent, well-known in intellectual circles. Both rely on institutional support. Both are left-liberal. Both are affluent.

But American gentiles have had 60 years of accusations flung at them about how they kept quiet. The biggest Jewish whine is that no one spoke up when it mattered. So now these two guys know what it feels like. What goes around….

]]> By: Mark Regev http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html/comment-page-1#comment-19646 Mark Regev Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/10/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html#comment-19646 <p>Whats the Schindler's list analogue for this quiet complicity? Weiss is on the right side of history.</p> Whats the Schindler's list analogue for this quiet complicity? Weiss is on the right side of history.

]]> By: Citizen http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html/comment-page-1#comment-19647 Citizen Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/10/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html#comment-19647 <p>So, now, which culture inculcates guilt, and which does not? Do I have to shred my collection of old<br /> Catskill jokes about Jewish guilt? Start a new collection entitled "Barbarian Guilt Jokes?"</p> So, now, which culture inculcates guilt, and which does not? Do I have to shred my collection of old
Catskill jokes about Jewish guilt? Start a new collection entitled "Barbarian Guilt Jokes?"

]]> By: Shirin http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html/comment-page-1#comment-19648 Shirin Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/10/secret-horrifying-post-scratched-on-the-cave-wall-in-2009-for-anthropologists-to-discover-100s-of-ye.html#comment-19648 <p>What I will never understand is why it took the atrocity of Gaza 2008-9 for these people to suddenly be appalled at Israel. Lebanon, 2006 was no less appalling, and we could go back, and back, and back in history and find equally appalling acts.</p> <p>And were these same people OK with both of the U.S.'s appalling atrocities in Falluja, 2004, not to mention everything else the U.S. has done in Iraq since 2001?</p> <p>What does it take to outrage decent, bright, aware people who work in the international field?</p> What I will never understand is why it took the atrocity of Gaza 2008-9 for these people to suddenly be appalled at Israel. Lebanon, 2006 was no less appalling, and we could go back, and back, and back in history and find equally appalling acts.

And were these same people OK with both of the U.S.'s appalling atrocities in Falluja, 2004, not to mention everything else the U.S. has done in Iraq since 2001?

What does it take to outrage decent, bright, aware people who work in the international field?

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