Comments on: The problem isn’t Lieberman (c’ted) http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/the-problem-isnt-lieberman-cted.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:54:08 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jaffr http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/the-problem-isnt-lieberman-cted.html/comment-page-1#comment-20978 Jaffr Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/02/the-problem-isnt-lieberman-cted.html#comment-20978 <p>What a laugh that Lieberman says he supports the ROADMAP as a ratified and binding agreement!</p> <p>Israel under Sharon did supposedly "accept" the Roadmap framework -- and then, as usual, proceeded to violate every provision.</p> <p>Phase I included a commitment to dismantle settlement outsposts "illegal" under even Israeli law and to halt ALL settlement activity, including specifically "natural growth." There were also numerous requirements for confidence building such as lifting limits on Palestinian movement, refraining from land confiscations and home demolitions, etc., etc. None, none of these stipulations were met.</p> <p>This is the whole history of modern Zionism: agree to whatever is tactically necessary. . . and then proceed to do whatever it can by force. </p> <p>Lieberman is all for this kind of roadmap -- Netanyahu doesn't even give a shit for the figleaf.</p> What a laugh that Lieberman says he supports the ROADMAP as a ratified and binding agreement!

Israel under Sharon did supposedly "accept" the Roadmap framework — and then, as usual, proceeded to violate every provision.

Phase I included a commitment to dismantle settlement outsposts "illegal" under even Israeli law and to halt ALL settlement activity, including specifically "natural growth." There were also numerous requirements for confidence building such as lifting limits on Palestinian movement, refraining from land confiscations and home demolitions, etc., etc. None, none of these stipulations were met.

This is the whole history of modern Zionism: agree to whatever is tactically necessary. . . and then proceed to do whatever it can by force.

Lieberman is all for this kind of roadmap — Netanyahu doesn't even give a shit for the figleaf.

]]> By: Father Ted http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/the-problem-isnt-lieberman-cted.html/comment-page-1#comment-20979 Father Ted Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/02/the-problem-isnt-lieberman-cted.html#comment-20979 <p>I think it's a misnomer to say that Lieberman supports a two state solution in any form, even "ostensibly". I think what he specifically says is that Arab areas of Israel should be transferred to the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority, not that they should be part of an independent sovereign state of Palestine. If you remove the Arab areas of Israel to the Palestinian Authority, but don't then transform the areas under the PA into a separate state, then all you are really doing is reducing the Arabs of Israel from being full - if not equal - citizens of Israel, to the same status as the Palestinians of the Occupied Territories i.e. non-citizens of an ersatz non-state (the PA). In practice, it plays out on the ground as Israel keeping effective control over all the land, but removing Israeli Arabs from the electorate by saying they can vote for a powerless non-sovereign government in the PA, and that can be their "self-determination".</p> I think it's a misnomer to say that Lieberman supports a two state solution in any form, even "ostensibly". I think what he specifically says is that Arab areas of Israel should be transferred to the jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority, not that they should be part of an independent sovereign state of Palestine. If you remove the Arab areas of Israel to the Palestinian Authority, but don't then transform the areas under the PA into a separate state, then all you are really doing is reducing the Arabs of Israel from being full – if not equal – citizens of Israel, to the same status as the Palestinians of the Occupied Territories i.e. non-citizens of an ersatz non-state (the PA). In practice, it plays out on the ground as Israel keeping effective control over all the land, but removing Israeli Arabs from the electorate by saying they can vote for a powerless non-sovereign government in the PA, and that can be their "self-determination".

]]> By: Richard Witty http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/the-problem-isnt-lieberman-cted.html/comment-page-1#comment-20980 Richard Witty Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/02/the-problem-isnt-lieberman-cted.html#comment-20980 <p>They're both dangerous. Leiberman is more overt. Netanyahu is more stealth.</p> They're both dangerous. Leiberman is more overt. Netanyahu is more stealth.

]]> By: Rowan http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/the-problem-isnt-lieberman-cted.html/comment-page-1#comment-20981 Rowan Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/02/the-problem-isnt-lieberman-cted.html#comment-20981 <p>Witty, you are more dangerous than either, if slime is anything to be frightened of.</p> Witty, you are more dangerous than either, if slime is anything to be frightened of.

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