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	<title>Comments on: Why did the neoconservative go to Israel 12 times?</title>
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		<title>By: seethelight</title>
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		<dc:creator>seethelight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David Brooks is not a stupid man, but he certainly is blind. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Growing up attending Sunday School in a conservative Protestant church in Brooklyn, I was also gooey-eyed about Israel. Moses, Joshua, Elijah, David. Those were my heroes. I remember cheering for the Israeli army with my Jewish classmates in 1967.  Then I visited Israel and the West Bank in the early 2000s. I drove the roads that only Palestinians are permitted to drive. Watched sewage flow down from hilltop settlements to Palestinian villages.  Stood at checkpoints while young Israeli soldier boys pointed their rifles at you. Visited with Palestinian in their homes. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&#039;s the trip David Brooks should have taken, and the goo would have quickly dried up from his eyes, like it has for so many Americans who have visited the West Bank.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Brooks is not a stupid man, but he certainly is blind. </p>
<p>Growing up attending Sunday School in a conservative Protestant church in Brooklyn, I was also gooey-eyed about Israel. Moses, Joshua, Elijah, David. Those were my heroes. I remember cheering for the Israeli army with my Jewish classmates in 1967.  Then I visited Israel and the West Bank in the early 2000s. I drove the roads that only Palestinians are permitted to drive. Watched sewage flow down from hilltop settlements to Palestinian villages.  Stood at checkpoints while young Israeli soldier boys pointed their rifles at you. Visited with Palestinian in their homes. </p>
<p>That&#39;s the trip David Brooks should have taken, and the goo would have quickly dried up from his eyes, like it has for so many Americans who have visited the West Bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/why-did-the-neoconservative-go-to-israel-12-times.html/comment-page-1#comment-18273</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It would help if you posted the full quote.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;As an American Jew, I was taught to go all gooey-eyed at the thought of Israel, but I have to confess, I find the place by turns exhausting, admirable, annoying, impressive and foreign.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem is not that Phil has his opinion&#039;s or his biases, everyone does.  The problem is that Phil is dishonest, and uses his dishonesty to level personal attacks about a writer&#039;s integrity.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would help if you posted the full quote.</p>
<p>&quot;As an American Jew, I was taught to go all gooey-eyed at the thought of Israel, but I have to confess, I find the place by turns exhausting, admirable, annoying, impressive and foreign.&quot;</p>
<p>The problem is not that Phil has his opinion&#39;s or his biases, everyone does.  The problem is that Phil is dishonest, and uses his dishonesty to level personal attacks about a writer&#39;s integrity.</p>
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		<title>By: 5 dancing shlomos</title>
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		<dc:creator>5 dancing shlomos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;brooks is still gooey eyed re israel. phil&#039;s portion of the quote is not deception. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;brooks is deception. he does know the full truth and does not care.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brooks is still gooey eyed re israel. phil&#39;s portion of the quote is not deception. </p>
<p>brooks is deception. he does know the full truth and does not care.</p>
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		<title>By: BluePearl</title>
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		<dc:creator>BluePearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the point that i take from that quote is that many american jews from a young age are indoctrinated into associating a self-identity that is essentially a religious identification to a forced identification with a piece of land in the middle east when actually and historically no such association exists.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;an haaretz article makes this point in writing about professor shlomo sand&#039;s work:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;In this work, the author attempts to prove that the Jews now living in Israel and other places in the world are not at all descendants of the ancient people who inhabited the Kingdom of Judea during the First and Second Temple period. Their origins, according to him, are in varied peoples that converted to Judaism during the course of history, in different corners of the Mediterranean Basin and the adjacent regions. Not only are the North African Jews for the most part descendants of pagans who converted to Judaism, but so are the Jews of Yemen (remnants of the Himyar Kingdom in the Arab Peninsula, who converted to Judaism in the fourth century) and the Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe (refugees from the Kingdom of the Khazars, who converted in the eighth century).&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;this gooey-eyed indoctrination from a young age to a piece of land called israel helps to partly explain the reticence many jews in the position of editors in major publications to censor critical views in regards to israel.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the point that i take from that quote is that many american jews from a young age are indoctrinated into associating a self-identity that is essentially a religious identification to a forced identification with a piece of land in the middle east when actually and historically no such association exists.</p>
<p>an haaretz article makes this point in writing about professor shlomo sand&#39;s work:</p>
<p><i>In this work, the author attempts to prove that the Jews now living in Israel and other places in the world are not at all descendants of the ancient people who inhabited the Kingdom of Judea during the First and Second Temple period. Their origins, according to him, are in varied peoples that converted to Judaism during the course of history, in different corners of the Mediterranean Basin and the adjacent regions. Not only are the North African Jews for the most part descendants of pagans who converted to Judaism, but so are the Jews of Yemen (remnants of the Himyar Kingdom in the Arab Peninsula, who converted to Judaism in the fourth century) and the Ashkenazi Jews of Eastern Europe (refugees from the Kingdom of the Khazars, who converted in the eighth century).</i></p>
<p>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/966952.html</p>
<p>this gooey-eyed indoctrination from a young age to a piece of land called israel helps to partly explain the reticence many jews in the position of editors in major publications to censor critical views in regards to israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Khazar nonsense again. It was disproven by genetic studies.&lt;br /&gt;
Wikipedia:&lt;br /&gt;
&quot;Recent genetic research studies have largely disproven the main thesis of The Thirteenth Tribe. For example, a 2000 study of haplotypes by Hammer et al indicates that the Y chromosomes of most Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are of Middle Eastern origin, containing mutations that are also common among Palestinians and other Middle Eastern peoples, yet are uncommon in the general European population. These results strongly suggest that most male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews can be traced primarily to the Middle East.[8]&lt;br /&gt;
A second study (2006) by Behar et al, based on haplotype analysis of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), also indicates that about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women. These four &quot;founder lineages&quot; were &quot;likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool&quot; originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE.[9]&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Khazar nonsense again. It was disproven by genetic studies.<br />
Wikipedia:<br />
&quot;Recent genetic research studies have largely disproven the main thesis of The Thirteenth Tribe. For example, a 2000 study of haplotypes by Hammer et al indicates that the Y chromosomes of most Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are of Middle Eastern origin, containing mutations that are also common among Palestinians and other Middle Eastern peoples, yet are uncommon in the general European population. These results strongly suggest that most male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews can be traced primarily to the Middle East.[8]<br />
A second study (2006) by Behar et al, based on haplotype analysis of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), also indicates that about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women. These four &quot;founder lineages&quot; were &quot;likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool&quot; originating in the Near East in the first and second centuries CE.[9]&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: contrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>contrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;SEETHELIGHT: I would LOVE it if you would send that exact comment as a letter to the editor to the NYT today. Their email is letters@nytimes.com&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you&#039;re up for it, make sure to do it today, because it will be much less likely to be published if you wait.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SEETHELIGHT: I would LOVE it if you would send that exact comment as a letter to the editor to the NYT today. Their email is <a href="mailto:letters@nytimes.com">letters@nytimes.com</a></p>
<p>If you&#39;re up for it, make sure to do it today, because it will be much less likely to be published if you wait.</p>
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		<title>By: BluePearl</title>
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		<dc:creator>BluePearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;julian, if we go by genetics, forget about being this or that as we&#039;re all africans. researchers say that humans alive today could share common ancestry with a being in Africa who lived about 120,000 to 220,000 years ago. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>julian, if we go by genetics, forget about being this or that as we&#39;re all africans. researchers say that humans alive today could share common ancestry with a being in Africa who lived about 120,000 to 220,000 years ago. </p>
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		<title>By: ID politician</title>
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		<dc:creator>ID politician</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Many American Jews wished to  be perceived as white so long as white privilege abounded; now, the reversal is taking place before our eyes, in both cases. It&#039;s just another aspect of the practical question, in this case in a political-cultural context:&quot; Is it good for the Jews? &quot;First of all, and most importantly, is it good for the&lt;br /&gt;
person raising the question.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As Mexicans demography expands, and whites search for native-American roots in their family&lt;br /&gt;
tree to avoid their bottom rung government benefits slot, many Jews have their own practical&lt;br /&gt;
epiphany. No sense in being white. Try to pass for black, Latino, or Jewish. Maybe, back in your family tree, when the chinaman met the irishman on the RR track, they became buddies and&lt;br /&gt;
and so you&#039;re really part oriental?&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many American Jews wished to  be perceived as white so long as white privilege abounded; now, the reversal is taking place before our eyes, in both cases. It&#39;s just another aspect of the practical question, in this case in a political-cultural context:&quot; Is it good for the Jews? &quot;First of all, and most importantly, is it good for the<br />
person raising the question.)</p>
<p>As Mexicans demography expands, and whites search for native-American roots in their family<br />
tree to avoid their bottom rung government benefits slot, many Jews have their own practical<br />
epiphany. No sense in being white. Try to pass for black, Latino, or Jewish. Maybe, back in your family tree, when the chinaman met the irishman on the RR track, they became buddies and<br />
and so you&#39;re really part oriental?</p>
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		<title>By: Casper</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/why-did-the-neoconservative-go-to-israel-12-times.html/comment-page-1#comment-18280</link>
		<dc:creator>Casper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Adam and Eve are whatever color you are, of course.&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam and Eve are whatever color you are, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Mooser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mooser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 1999 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Recent genetic research studies have largely disproven the main thesis of The Thirteenth Tribe. For example, a 2000 study of haplotypes by Hammer et al indicates that the Y chromosomes of most Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are of Middle Eastern origin, containing mutations that are also common among Palestinians and other Middle Eastern peoples, yet are uncommon in the general European population.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Joshua&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thank you Joshua, for having the intellectual courage and the honesty to admit that the Jews of Israel are killing their closest living genetic relatives. I agree with you, it&#039;s another case of an induced mass insanity. Coming from all over the world to kill and steal from the people they should embrace as brothers.&lt;br /&gt;
If you have any other explanation for the Israelis conduct, I&#039;d sure like to hear it, but thanks for recognising the essential insanity of their actions. &lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&quot;Recent genetic research studies have largely disproven the main thesis of The Thirteenth Tribe. For example, a 2000 study of haplotypes by Hammer et al indicates that the Y chromosomes of most Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are of Middle Eastern origin, containing mutations that are also common among Palestinians and other Middle Eastern peoples, yet are uncommon in the general European population.&quot;</i><br />
Joshua</p>
<p>Thank you Joshua, for having the intellectual courage and the honesty to admit that the Jews of Israel are killing their closest living genetic relatives. I agree with you, it&#39;s another case of an induced mass insanity. Coming from all over the world to kill and steal from the people they should embrace as brothers.<br />
If you have any other explanation for the Israelis conduct, I&#39;d sure like to hear it, but thanks for recognising the essential insanity of their actions. </p>
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