Comments on: ‘Yale University book portrays my kin as barbarians’–Anees of Jerusalem

By: littlehorn

littlehorn — Fri, 15 May 2009 14:31:51 +0000

I happen to agree with Strahl and Ed. I think what censorship does is simply sweeping particular views under the carpet, where they remain safely protected from criticism. If colonialist racism is false, then it can certainly be demonstrated. If you censor it, no one does that effort, and we all reject it by default, without really understanding why.

By: RowanBerkeley

RowanBerkeley — Fri, 15 May 2009 13:11:58 +0000

It's just something that appealed to the Jewish obsession with other people's sex fantasies.

By: JES49

JES49 — Fri, 15 May 2009 11:51:11 +0000

Did you actually read the book, Citizen, or are you just going on what Phil told you about it?

By: Shafiq

Shafiq — Fri, 15 May 2009 10:36:40 +0000

Ibn Kathir is not a Hadith collector and there is no mention of 72 wives nor 72 virgins in the Qur'an nor any of the authentic Hadith collections. It's a myth, that has its origins in weak Hadiths (i.e. made-up ones)and was a mere footnote in Islamic Law until Orientalists got their hands on it and Israelis capitalised on it. Committing suicide after all (for whatever reason) is one of the ultimate sins.

By: jacobwolf

jacobwolf — Fri, 15 May 2009 06:16:09 +0000

In his commentary on Surah 55:72, Ibn Kathir (d. 1373 CE) stated: "The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: 'The smallest reward for the people of paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a [Yemen]'." any muslim that goes to heaven will get this number of wives, its not neccessary that they are women from this life, almighty Allah will create them for every muslim beleiver "that enters heaven" because almighty Allah knows how much each man desires women and nothing can fill his needs ever except 72 wives. Moreover, No 72 is not a figure number its a real number, prophet Muhammad(PBUH) is inspired from almighty Allah he does'nt say figures just for making it look big, if he said something he is always right and correct with no doubt, i dont care what Diane Soyer said … she knows nothing rather than taking video of women that are face covered only :) Sources : Islam and Holy Qur'an teachings

By: jacobwolf

jacobwolf — Fri, 15 May 2009 06:10:17 +0000

No American, no Jew, no christian invented the "72 virgins" story. That you don't want to hear the truth is not surprising.

By: Ed

Ed — Fri, 15 May 2009 03:22:01 +0000

I don’t believe there is anything genetically “wrong” with Jews any more than I believe there was anything genetically “wrong” with Germans leading up to Nazism. I believe cultures and societies can indeed organically imprint their offspring to make them predisposed towards this characteristic or that, so that certain buttons will trigger certain behaviors, but if those buttons go un-pushed, or if the culture or society loses its desire to instill certain hair-trigger buttons, those predispositions will disappear over time. Many Jews seem to believe (or profess to believe) that Christianity or Islam or gentile humanity instills certain hair-trigger buttons vis-à-vis Jews in its offspring (“They take in anti-Semitism with their mother’s milk.”) But I see this as scapegoating and red-herrings perpetrated by Jewish leadership against Jewish laymen for purposes of control, and most modern enmity towards Jews is blowback as a result of organized Jewry’s behavior as instigated by the venal leadership, not the result of anti-Semitic programming perpetrated by Christianity or Islam or whoever.

By: Strahl

Strahl — Fri, 15 May 2009 02:37:38 +0000

I think there is such a thing as a "Jewish Establishment". I base my understanding of identity politics in the US on 'Manufacturing Consent'. Now while the book takes a materialist approach in demonstrating a propaganda model, Chomsky has said over and over that it is merely a first approximation. A step in the right direction. Not an end-all system. He never considered Jewish tribalism (ethnocentricism). Ed's blah blahing on the Russian this and Bolsheblahblah is another issue but I don't think he was ever implying there is something inherent to Jewishness that makes them do this or that. I bring up the book and the propaganda model and identity politics to illustrate my approach to the Jewish Establishment. I look at these groups as sociological entities. We assume these roles. We feel Jewish because Jewishness (identity) is not inherent. We can be genetically Jewish – sure. But then how do you account for the term self-hating Jew? Clearly, one group of Jews will IMPOSE this conception of Jewish identity on OTHER JEWS who they feel are not TRUE JEWS. So what is 'Jewishness'? It's a self-perpetuating prophecy. A sociological entity. It's the March of Dimes. It's some of these things, all of these things, none of these things. We can be born short/tall/fat/thin/Jew/Arab/Pastafarian/etc. But our identity is not 100% our genes. We create our 'self'. My understanding is that Ed is talking about Jewishness in the context of tribal politics and sociology. Not genes. I don't see him as a racist/antisemite then. I see him as someone trying to understand how a group behaves just like we'd study the Democratic party and see how they 'behave'. I admit tho, i havent read his stuff on Jewish blah blah and Bolshevism.

By: Citizen

Citizen — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:23:32 +0000

Ed's comments very often are packed with a lot of current and historical knowledge and logical conclusions, the kind not taught or encouraged in USA schools, nor addressed in any significant way by our MSM, but rather represent what has been left out of such institutions. He doesn't pull anything out of thin air. BTW I emailed Yale U and complained about the publication of Morris's text book racist passage. Of course they never bothered to respond.

By: Mooser

Mooser — Fri, 15 May 2009 00:13:25 +0000

So, Strahl, you accept the line about Bolshevik Jews killing millions in Soviet Russia? And Communism being very much a Jewish thing? I guess it depends on how you feel about Bolshevism and Communism. If you love Bolshevism-Communism, you would see nothing wrong with having the Jews be associated with it. Is that right, Comrade?