Settlers, farmers, solders, internationals–Max Blumenthal reports from ‘Greater Israel’

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Max Blumenthal reporting from the West Bank:

On Saturday I traveled to the South Hebron Hills, to the Palestinian village of Safa, with an Israeli group called Ta'ayush that works to protect Palestinian farmers from settler violence and documents the proliferation of illegal settlements (Ta'ayush is Arabic for partnership). Things were peaceful when we arrived in the verdant grove of grape trees below Safa. A tractor plowed the land, a few farmers picked grape leaves, and the Ta'ayush activists greeted members of Anarchists Against the Wall, and the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) volunteers were already on the scene.

Within minutes, however, a group of settler children clad in white tsitsis assembled on the hill high above the valley, rolling tires down the hill and chanting in a single, piercing cry, "Death to Arabs!" The children were residents of Bet Ayn, one of the most fanatical Jewish settlements on the West Bank and home to a terrorist underground that planned to bomb a Palestinian girls' school in Jerusalem. Recently a Palestinian resident of Safa killed a 13-year-old boy from Bet Ayn, setting off a series of violent reprisals that culminated when a masked mob of 30 settlers attacked two elderly farmers with clubs, breaking one man's skull and seriously wounding the other. Since then, the farmers of Safa have been reluctant to work their fields without international and Israeli activists present.

The government of Benjamin Netanyahu has lined up firmly on the side of the settlers of Bet Ayn. This means that the army is a de facto arm of the settlers and responds to their every command. As soon as the settlers became agitated by our presence, they called an army unit to remove us. Four soldiers rushed to the scene in a jeep, a commander ambled down the hill — he seemed tired and unhappy about leaving his air-conditioned vehicle — and presented the farmers and activists with a closed military zone order. We had five minutes to leave the scene or be arrested.

Then, a Ta'ayush member named Amiel stepped forward with an Israeli high court ruling stating that the farmers must have access to their land without settler harassment. He warned the commander that he would be sued and held personally responsible if he enforced the illegal closed military zone order. The commander huddled with his troops, then retreated — a move that is often viewed within IDF ranks as a reprehensible display of weakness. The troops eventually vacated the scene and so did we, riding up the hill on a tractor to Safa. Joseph Dana, an Israeli Ta'ayush activist, told me the action was successful: there were no arrests or settler attacks (a regular occurence), and perhaps the farmers could work for the rest of the day.

I hung out with some Palestinian kids in Safa until our ride came, throwing rocks into a dumpster from a few yards away. This is what passes for pickup basketball in the village. The kids liked imitating me exclaim, "Nothin' but net!" Then we were off to Hilltop 26, an illegal settler outpost near the uber-settlement of Kiryat Arba, which dominates the landscape above Hebron.

When we arrived, four teenage settler boys were waiting for us. They immediately called the army, who arrived like clockwork with a border police unit and two members of Kiryat Arba's security force. The settler boys, who only last week attempted to set fire to a Ta'ayush protest outpost (now destroyed), went to greet the police commander and a few soldiers they apparently knew. It was a meeting of minds, a portrait of collaboration between fanatical Jewish colonists and the Israeli government. The army commander approached us with a closed military zone order, demanding that everyone leave the scene.

The army was aware of the media's presence, however — I was filming and an Italian photojournalist snapped pictures. So the commander also asked the settler boys to leave. They protested angrily. "You can change the order to let us stay!" one of them shouted to the commander. "You've done it before a few times." But when the army marched us off the scene, they also escorted the settlers towards Kiryat Arba. Of course, the police commander walked with his arm on the shoulder of one of the settlers boys, but the relatively even-handed enforcement of the order was unusual.

"Normally they force us off and let the settlers stay," Joseph Dana told me. "This is the first time they've made them go too. But they will almost certainly let the settlers go back in a few hours. I think they only did this because the media was here."

Whether or not the settlers returned that day, their illegal outpost remained intact. It is just another stake in the Occupation, a rickety shack that, with the help of the Israeli army and the encouragement of Netanyahu's government, will someday be a neighborhood in Greater Israel.

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  1. Michael LeFavour
    May 19, 2009, 10:44 pm

    Gee Maxie, what exactly makes the so called outpost 'illegal' anyway? Because you say it is? Nobody has yet shown me a shred of legal evidence that a single Jewish resident of Judea or Samaria is there illegally. In fact, the opposite is true. They have every right to be there.

  2. RowanBerkeley
    May 19, 2009, 2:16 pm

    a Ta'ayush member named Amiel stepped forward with an Israeli high court ruling stating that the farmers must have access to their land without settler harassment. He warned the commander that he would be sued and held personally responsible if he enforced the illegal closed military zone order. The commander huddled with his troops, then retreated… That's absolutely remarkable. I hope it sets a precedent.

  3. Chu
    May 19, 2009, 2:19 pm

    Nice Job Max. It's great to hear your taking risks to really witness the situation. Thanks for doing, what I can't do.

  4. Citizen
    May 19, 2009, 2:23 pm

    This is what Obama faced yesterday on a more macro level. It's worse than Jim Crow dealing with blacks pre-1960. Obama might not these latest details furnished by the courageous Mister Blumenthal, but his black core constituency knows it by organic heart. And Obama does too. That's why the public photo op yesterday showed Obama playing student to the zionist mentor N–but Obama could not manage his usual jug-eared smiled, his ambient kool collapsed into this folded physique. No net there.

  5. jdva
    May 19, 2009, 2:50 pm

    Within minutes, however, a group of settler children clad in white tsitsis assembled on the hill high above the valley, rolling tires down the hill and chanting in a single, piercing cry, "Death to Arabs!" Lord of the Flies meets A Clockwork Orange. And we never see it in the American media.

  6. Roane Carey
    May 19, 2009, 2:59 pm

    Superb report, Max. Readers, I can attest that his description of the scene is spot on–I've been in Beit Umar, Safa and the Hebron area myself several times in the past month or so–including Safa just a few days before Max–and the point about close collusion between the army and settler fanatics is indisputably true. I saw a longish video furnished by a great ISM guy in Beit Umar showing soldiers and settlers standing next to each other, with the settlers throwing rocks and villagers and soldiers firing tear gas and, I think on occasion, live ammo. The settlers in Beit Ayn are nuts, and Ta'ayush, ISM, Anarchists Against the Wall are doing indispensable, courageous work.

  7. Ed
    May 19, 2009, 3:38 pm

    'Children of the Corn'

  8. jdva
    May 19, 2009, 3:51 pm

    "Which is better–to have laws and agree, or to hunt and kill?"

  9. Peaceful_Idiot
    May 19, 2009, 4:04 pm

    The ISM, eh? The Zioclowns tell me they're a bunch of scheming schemers. Don't them lure you in front of a bulldozer, Max!

  10. Colin_Murray
    May 19, 2009, 4:09 pm

    American readers should note that it is to these barbarians that our tax dollars are sent to support their ethnic cleansing and colonization of Palestinian land. The blowback from our involvement is substantial damage to American interests, including the war in Iraq which is based on lies, the 9-11 attack, and a possible war with Iran which the Lobby is pushing hard for. Lobby operatives Sen. Schumer, Speaker Pelosi, Sen. Feinstein, Rep. Harman, and many others in Congress who are bribed by or fear the Lobby are responsible for this reprehensible state of affairs. Speak up and vote. The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy

  11. Mooser
    May 19, 2009, 4:18 pm

    Rowan, it seems to me that if Amiel had "an Israeli high court ruling that the farmers must have access to their land without settler harassment", the precedent's pretty much been set. Which, as you say is good, and this Amiel is a remarkable and brave man. And I can't help sparing a little pity for those settler kids. There will be no good end for them.

  12. Mooser
    May 19, 2009, 4:22 pm

    BTW, does Bibi's "gift" of the Mark Twain manuscript seem as insulting to you as it does to me? I mean, c,mon, as an educated American Obama should be very familiar with Twain, and moreover, should know exactly how seriously to take Twain's depictions of the people in Palestine. Doesn't it seem like Bibi is almost contemptuously trying to set the context of the relations between the US, Israel and the Palestinians?

  13. Craig11
    May 19, 2009, 4:37 pm

    Obviously.

  14. Colin_Murray
    May 19, 2009, 4:46 pm

    I agree. The colonist children are victims, too. It's not their fault that their parents brought them along during the commission of armed robbery. However, when they start carrying guns, they become culpable.

  15. CrazyWisdom
    May 19, 2009, 5:03 pm

    the clock to the one-state solution has started

  16. Yoni C
    May 19, 2009, 5:10 pm

    Colin, you should just copy and paste that line instead of typing it up each time. Valid or not, why not come up w/ an original thought?

  17. bradallen
    May 19, 2009, 5:15 pm

    I wonder if Yisarel Medad is reading this. Are those nice kids part of the few he mentioned that are bad…

  18. bradallen
    May 19, 2009, 5:18 pm

    The link does not work Colin, please check. I agree and would also like to remind you that most of the groups sending money are deducting from their taxes as donations. Interestingly, a lot of the work that AIPAC initiates is also "deductible".

  19. bradallen
    May 19, 2009, 5:19 pm

    Insulting yes, surprising, no. I am sure Bibi's education is limited to this type of writings which helps him develop his sense of knowledge and racism.

  20. mark
    May 19, 2009, 5:26 pm

    "Recently a Palestinian resident of Safa killed a 13-year-old boy from Bet Ayn…" the arab resident did not kill the 13 year old. he axe murdered him and tried to axe murder another child! what a poor tragic human being. hopefully he will get his just reward in heaven. it is fair to presume that you do not condone such behavior. btw: the dispute is not about land. view an arab expert's analysis to be found at ” target=”_blank”>http://www.democracybroadcastingnews.com/2009/05/… the Israeli courts properly protect the rights of those who legally own land. homes built on someone else's private property or on property that the builder does not own are illegal, whether it is jewish or arab construction.

  21. ikhlasibrahim
    May 19, 2009, 5:39 pm

    With the election of Netanyahu and his idea against a two-state solution, things are only going to get worse in the West Bank and Gaza. People need to know what's really happening between the settlers and the palestinains. Keeping doing what your doing Max

  22. jdva
    May 19, 2009, 5:55 pm

    "the dispute is not about land." If it's not about land then why do Zionists want that particular land so badly? Tawfik Hamid is another well-paid pony in the Zionist rodeo: ” target=”_blank”>http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2006…

  23. Craig
    May 19, 2009, 6:24 pm

    Hey Max, Are the Palestinians in Hebron aware of the city's history? Are they aware of the native Jewish population that once lived there? Namely the first ethnic cleansing in Palestine in the 20th century. In August of 1929 hundreds of Jews were murdered and forced from their properties across the Holy Land (at least 60 Jews were murdered in Hebron). The riots were organized by the Grand Mufti, the 1st Palestinian leader and later a convicted Nazi war criminal who aided and abetted Nazi Germany in the Holocaust.

  24. Strahl
    May 19, 2009, 6:30 pm

    The Zionists dealt with the Nazis too. Are you trying to associate modern-day Palestinians with Nazis because of the Grand Mufti? By that logic every American is a Nazi because our leaders were calling Hitler a 'moderate' before the War.

  25. Strahl
    May 19, 2009, 6:31 pm

    And as to the massacres and erasing of history, the Zionists are still number 1 in that department. It's great that you are trying to compare though.

  26. Craig
    May 19, 2009, 6:34 pm

    "Blowback from involvement"? You're the kind of guy that would chicken out in a war against evil. Your fear of fighting the evils on Earth due to the possibility of being attacked is akin to blackmail. To say we shouldn't be a friend to someone because other people don't like them and disagree with their religion is the epitome of inhumane behavior. You are a coward for rejecting our most staunch ally on this planet. Also you Jewish conspiracy theories are old and stale. Iraq and 9/11 have nothing to do with Israel, except that Israelis and Jews have been targeted and murdered by Islamists in both of these conflicts.

  27. RowanBerkeley
    May 19, 2009, 7:09 pm

    You're a brainwashed idiot, Craig, if you really believe Israel is the US's "most staunch ally on this planet".

  28. RowanBerkeley
    May 19, 2009, 7:26 pm

    The settlements are largely built on land illegally seized without due purchase. As for the axe murderer, it may have escaped your notice, but spoiled USAians run amok every day and usually killl several at once, with guns. Of course, the USA is the 'land of the free', so that's just the price you pay for 'freedom', isn't it?

  29. Craig
    May 19, 2009, 7:40 pm

    Tawfik gets it right: The Palestinian conflict is a red-herring, he claims, which the Muslim world foments in its long-term objective of weakening the Jewish state (as a proxy of the global, non-Muslim essence) towards eventual annihilation. He teaches that the Obama administration and the U.N. should maintain a strong, not appeasing, policy against Islamist extremism. He also says, "'Muslim racism toward any Jewish state is root of Arab Israeli conflict – reform key to peace" -Dr. Tawfik Hamid This guy has both eyes open. His head is NOT stuck in the sand. What he says goes back to the 1930's and the Palestinian collaboration with Nazi Germany. The Nazi ideology that has never been broken in the Muslim world. The denial of the Holocaust, persistent Jewish conspiracy theories, and negative racist stories about Jews that permeate Arab media.

  30. jdva
    May 19, 2009, 7:49 pm

    Bibi, having been educated in the US, is well aware of the perception of Twain in some parts of the black community. Imagine if Obama had given The Merchant of Venice to Bibi.

  31. Colin_Murray
    May 19, 2009, 7:49 pm

    You're the kind of guy that would chicken out in a war against evil. I was wearing a United States Navy uniform 2 days after I left home after high school during the Cold War. You? Your fear of fighting the evils on Earth due to the possibility of being attacked is akin to blackmail. You self-entitled colonists don't get that you are no less evil than those whom you would have be our enemies. You are a coward for rejecting our most staunch ally on this planet. Staunch ally? LOL. Remember the USS Liberty? I do. We Americans are not all fools. The truth by a guy who was there… Assault on the Liberty ” target=”_blank”>link to amazon.com. An outstanding and well-documented survey of the Lobby and the damage it does to America. The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy ” target=”_blank”>link to amazon.com. Also you Jewish conspiracy theories are old and stale. LOL, that old canard doesn't work anymore. Most Jews oppose the Iraq war. It was neocons and pro-colonization Zionists who betrayed America. A Pretext for War: 9/11, Iraq, and the Abuse of America's Intelligence Agencies ” target=”_blank”>link to amazon.com. Iraq and 9/11 have nothing to do with Israel, … The 'Israeli Art Student' Files, Media coverage of Israel's underground in the US – and the 9/11 connection. ” target=”_blank”>link to antiwar.com High-Fivers and Art Student Spies, What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks? ” target=”_blank”>link to counterpunch.org Better luck next time peddling your hasbara talking-points.

  32. A+++
    May 19, 2009, 7:49 pm

    #1 in least number of massacres. The King of Jordan killed more Palestinians in one week than Israelis have in fighting 4 wars. Palestinian terrorism preceded occupation too. (see the 1950s, 1930s and riots in the 1920s) The 1st Palestinian leader was ALLIED with Nazi Germany. He was Palestinian-Muslim and was involved in the Holocaust. HE HELPED HITLER! The ideology he followed has never left the Middle East minds of Arab-Muslims engaged in war against Israel. Their legacy is tainted, because they have not rejected this hatred. Just look at how Hezbollah salutes: ” target=”_blank”>http://diavolineri.net/ospitalieri/wp-content/ima… Zionists trained in Israel and FOUGHT against Nazi Germany. BIG F-n DIFFERENCE!

  33. jdva
    May 19, 2009, 7:52 pm

    "The Palestinian conflict is a red-herring" Only if one is a Zionist or a paid consort of Zionists. "Palestinian collaboration with Nazi Germany" The Stern Gang and the World Zionist Organization also collaborated with the Nazis. Where's your condemnation of them?

  34. jdva
    May 19, 2009, 8:04 pm

    "The 1st Palestinian leader was ALLIED with Nazi Germany." The Grand Mufti was appointed by Sir Herbert Samuel, a British Zionist Jew. Maybe you should complain about him also. "Zionists trained in Israel and FOUGHT against Nazi Germany. " 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis ” target=”_blank”>http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html

  35. Craig11
    May 19, 2009, 8:09 pm

    Pearlman, would you just please stop impersonating people? It's dishonest, rude, and contemptible. Oh, wait a minute, I guess it suits you, then.

  36. tree
    May 19, 2009, 8:18 pm

    You read a report about Jewish settler children shouting "Death to Arabs", and think they are fighting a "war against evil'? Good and evil aren't delineated by religion. They are delineated by thought and action and are not specific nor endemic to any one religion.

    "Your fear of fighting the evils on Earth due to the possibility of being attacked is akin to blackmail. To say we shouldn't be a friend to someone because other people don't like them and disagree with their religion is the epitome of inhumane behavior.

    The people who are fighting some of the evils on Earth are the brave Israeli members of Taayush and Anarchists Against the Wall. They are the ones who are befriending and helping the Palestinian farmers who are being targeted by the settlers simply because the settlers "don't like them and disagree with their religion"(your words). These settlers are the ones engaging in inhumane behavior. And yet you are silent about that, and instead choose to lecture and sputter about Islamists. If you can't or won't stand up for the rights of others just because their religion is different than yours then you have absolutely no right to pretend to lecture others on evil and cowardice.

  37. Colin_Murray
    May 19, 2009, 8:24 pm

    Sorry. The interpreter isn't behaving like it used to. I didn't know that tax deductions were involved. That's outrageous.

  38. Craig
    May 19, 2009, 8:30 pm

    Yes, the Grand Mufti was regrettably appointed by Herbert Samuel, although he had no inkling that Husseini would become an ally with someone like Hitler. The BIG difference is that this Palestinian collaborator was in it to KILL Jews in Europe & Israel. Any "Zionist" involvement was to FREE Jews from the Nazis, to SAVE lives. Everybody knows this. Open your EYES!!! You're using Counterpunch as a source? That is too funny. Their founding editor, Cockburn, is a known anti-Semite. He perpetuated conspiracy theories about Jews involved in 9/11 and the Anthrax attacks in order to gain attention. That guy is down in the gutter with Norman Finklestein. Get real. At least try an objective source. While you're at it, why not just post a link to a white supremacist site? What do the following people have in common?: Robert Fisk, the late Edward Said, Tim Wise, Ralph Nader, M. Shahid Alam, Tariq Ali, Ward Churchill, Lila Rajiva, Peter Linebaugh, the late Tanya Reinhart, Noam Chomsky THEY ALL ARE extremely ANTI-ISRAEL & all are involved with Counterpunch (or have been)

  39. mark
    May 19, 2009, 8:34 pm

    as you very well know, prior to the arab total rejection of the 1947 UN partition plan, no arabs left their homes. after the state of israel was attacked in 1948, there was a war. i suggest that you examine what has happened as a consequence of war. you need not go back in history. see what is happening in pakistan and dafur today. at least we cannot blame the jews for those tragedies.

  40. Craig11
    May 19, 2009, 8:34 pm

    That's not me. It's probably Pearlman again.

  41. Craig
    May 19, 2009, 8:41 pm

    jdva- Have you ever visited Israel? You have proof that this guy is "a paid consort of Zionists"? Or is it just that he's so right that it hurts you to hear it and admit the truth? The Stern Gang? Did they participate in the slaughter of Jews in Berlin? Are they in charge of a group of people? Trying to establish a nation? No? Didn't think so. Are Jews the ones making Mein Kampf the best-seller in the Middle East? I didn't think so. There is still a very clear connection between the current Arab-Muslim attitude and Nazi Germany's Final Solution. The connections exist in Arab media (blood libel, cartoons and conspiracy theories), it exists in propaganda taught to children whether in schoolbooks or on TV show for kids using Mickey Mouse. The connections exist in the salute that Hezbollah and other Muslim terrorist groups in the region use (oddly similar to the Heil Hitler salute). Most importantly it exists within the religion, during mosque sermons. I have never heard a Rabbi speak ill about Arabs with the hatred that some of the imams speak with about Jews. I have never seen a video interview of a rabbi that compared to some of the racism that Islamic religious leaders have shown.

  42. jdva
    May 19, 2009, 8:46 pm

    "the Grand Mufti was regrettably appointed by Herbert Samuel" Then quit complaining. A Zionist Jew gave the world the Grand Mufti. End of discussion. It's not only intellectually dishonest to smear a source rather than to refute the information contained, it's also just plain amatuerish. Lenni Brenner, the source of "51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis", is an anti-Zionist Jew. I note that you didn't address his points, among which is: Zionist factions competed for the honor of allying to Hitler. By 1940-41, the "Stern Gang," among them Yitzhak Shamir, later Prime Minister of Israel, presented the Nazis with the "Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany." Avraham Stern and his followers announced that "The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that: 1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO. 2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and, 3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East. Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively take part in the war on Germany's side." "THEY ALL ARE extremely ANTI-ISRAEL" I'm extremely anti-Israel also. Your point is?

  43. tree
    May 19, 2009, 9:01 pm

    The problem, Mooser, is that Israel has no constitution, and thus there is no constitutional requirement for the executive branch to enforce Israeli high court rulings. Precedent often has little meaning, because each incident must go before the court rather than being followed as the law of the land by executive action. Its as if the Brown vs. Board of Education decision in the US Supreme Court was only applied to Linda Brown, and every other black child that wanted a better education had to repeat the same court procedure to gain his/her rights. We'd still be living in the 50's as far as race relations go if we had such a system. Several years ago, after over 10 years of litigation, the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that Jewish-only settlements built on Israeli Land Authority land within the green line, could not discriminate on the basis of race or religion against an Israeli Arab family that wished to live there. This has not opened up all Jewish-only settlements in Israel proper. to Israeli Arab families because it is not enforced by the Israeli government and can not be used as a precedent for any other case. Each case must wind its long, arduous way through the courts. And in the (Katsir) decision, the Supreme Court even gave the Katsir community the chance to come up with another reason(excuse) for denying the Qa'adan family the right to live in their community. So, unfortunately, Israeli Supreme Court decisions don't stand for a whole lot in Israel. The Supreme Court has also ruled that parts of the Separation Wall are illegal and must be moved, but their has been very little action to enforce that rule. Bi'lin has had a ruling from the Supreme Court for years that the separation barrier must be moved off their land, but the IDF has consistently ignored the order and there is no way to enforce it if the IDF doesn't want it enforced.

  44. Jacobwolfen
    May 19, 2009, 9:10 pm

    Not to these fools.

  45. Jacobwolfen
    May 19, 2009, 9:11 pm

    But the zionists never requested help from the nazis for the purpose of wholesale murder. The spiritual father of the Palestinian people begged Hitler for help to kill Jews.

  46. DICKERSON3870
    May 19, 2009, 9:23 pm

    RE: "…a rickety shack that, with the help of the Israeli army and the encouragement of Netanyahu's government, will someday be a neighborhood in Greater Israel…" MY COMMENT: If that becomes so, then at some later day it might very possibly be a neighborhood in Greater Palestine!

  47. tree
    May 19, 2009, 9:42 pm

    Is it just my browser, or have all the responses to this post disappeared, including the one from "craig" saying it is not his post? What happened?

  48. syvanen
    May 19, 2009, 9:43 pm

    There is something downright gauche about Beni and Sara visiting Washington. The crude gift of the Mark Twain book and Sara's absurd sense of entitlement. Have they not learned any manners? When visiting with the President of the US they should show proper humility when pleading for gifts and hand-outs.

  49. DICKERSON3870
    May 19, 2009, 9:48 pm

    *RE: "That's absolutely remarkable. I hope it sets a precedent.' MY COMMENT: The I.D.F. routinely ignores the occasional decision of Israel's Supreme Court in favor of the Palestinians in the occupied territories.

  50. Strahl
    May 19, 2009, 9:49 pm

    Anyone decent person is anti-Israel and anti-Zionist.

  51. Craig
    May 19, 2009, 9:57 pm

    You are an admitted BIGOT. That's the point. Your arguments are 100% meaningless to any person serious about a peaceful solution at this point. Have you been to Israel? Why is this book / document not discussed on a SINGLE LEGITIMATE WEBSITE? Any newspaper articles about it? Any critiques? I bet you believe the Protocols of Zion is real too, huh? The Stern gang never had more than 100 members and were not mainstream Zionists, but you don't know this because your racism handicaps your judgement. Your posting of the unknown "51 documents" was not addressed, because I've never heard of it. Apparently the author thought Einstein was moronic? The whole thing is a JOKE. Furthermore, it is not discussed on any legitimate websites. The only places it shows up is on racist, bigoted sites like WRMEA or Counterpunch. Although, I did see it on Amazon, where it got very bad reviews and isn't even in print! That tells me all I need to know. This diatribe (from a bigoted site like Counterpunch) by an anti-Zionist Jew, purporting to show a miniscule connection between Zionism and German Nazis is a feeble attempt that doesn't even come close to the Arab/Muslim involvement in the Holocaust. The fact remains, Jews fought the Nazis. My American born grandfather was one of them that in the US Air Corps. Arabs & Muslims allied with and fought alongside Nazis. Herbert Samuel did not cause the Mufti's anti-Semitism, it was a flaw of his personality. He carried out atrocities with the help of the Nazi party. Nobody else made him do it. It was his choice. Just as the 9/11 terrorists made their own choices to kill thousands of Americans. It's not Israel's fault. It's the fault of those directly responsible. These assholes that fire rockets at Israeli schools and shoot pregnant Israeli women in their cars or stab an Italian peace activist in Jerusalem need to take responsibility for their actions.

  52. DICKERSON3870
    May 19, 2009, 9:57 pm

    RE: rolling tires down the hill and chanting in a single, piercing cry, "Death to Arabs!" A RELATED ARTICLE: " Israeli club sanctioned for fans' racist slogans", 05/01/09 (excerpt) JERUSALEM (AFP) – Israeli football authorities have deducted one league point from Beitar Jerusalem and ordered the club to play a home match behind closed doors after their fans shouted anti-Arab slogans, a report said on Friday. Beitar, the reigning Israeli champions, will now play their next home game against Maccabi Tel Aviv on May 9 in an empty stadium, the mass-circulation Yediot Aharonot newspaper reported. The penalty was imposed after Beitar's notoriously rowdy supporters chanted "death to Arabs" during a match against Maccabi Petah Tikva on April 18…. ENTIRE ARTICLE – ” target=”_blank”>http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=afp-fblisrr…

  53. DICKERSON3870
    May 19, 2009, 10:11 pm

    RE: rolling tires down the hill and chanting in a single, piercing cry, "Death to Arabs!" A RELATED ARTICLE: "Israeli Soccer Team Penalized for Fans' Racist Chants", 05/04/09 (EXCERPT) …Among behavior that has become commonplace at Beitar Jerusalem games, fans make monkey noises at African players on the opposing team, shout "terrorist" at Arab players, and sing popular, rhyming chants including "death to Arabs," "The prophet Mohammed is dead," and a Hebrew rhyme calling for a successful Arab player to be stricken with cancer. There is a chant praising Saddam Hussein for bombing Tel Aviv, host to Beitar Jerusalem's archrivals, and both the players and fans of opposing teams frequently need to be escorted by armed police as they enter Jerusalem. The club was already forced to play a game in an empty stadium last year following an incident similar to that of last month in which fans sang songs defaming the Prophet Muhammad…. ENTIRE ARTICLE – ” target=”_blank”>http://newsblaze.com/story/20090504102711zzzz.nb/…

  54. DICKERSON3870
    May 19, 2009, 10:22 pm

    RE: "The link does not work" MY COMMENT: On this site, anytime you edit one of your posts containing a link, you must redo the link. Otherwise, the link will not work. ” target=”_blank”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and…

  55. Kathleen
    May 19, 2009, 10:26 pm

    we should push for the one state solution then just how much racism permeates Israel will become even more apparent. Well if would become more apparent if the MSM in the states was not shut down to ever reporting honestly about what is going on. Thank goodness for Phillip Weiss' blog, Muzzlewatch, Council for National Interest, Norman Finklestein, and others for turning the spotlight on what is really going on in the I/P conflict

  56. DICKERSON3870
    May 19, 2009, 10:27 pm

    RE: "It's dishonest, rude, and contemptible." MY COMMENT: We desperately need better mental health care in this country!

  57. DICKERSON3870
    May 19, 2009, 10:34 pm

    RE: rolling tires down the hill and chanting in a single, piercing cry, "Death to Arabs!" (EXCERPT)….Last year, she was in a group in the South Hebron Hills confronted by settlers who fired shots from a pistol and an M16 assault rifle, despite the presence of the army and police. "Then one of the soldiers said, 'Look, one of them is coming down with a jug of water for you'. The settler emptied the jug over me. It was full of human sh*t."….. ENTIRE ARTICLE – ” target=”_blank”>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-ea…

  58. tree
    May 19, 2009, 10:52 pm

    You are poorly informed. The Stern Gang did indeed send the message quoted to Nazi Germany in 1941, hoping to form an alliance with Germany to fight the British, who ruled Mandate Palestine at the time. And the only group of Jews who were positively mentioned in Hitler's Mein Kampf were the Zionists, because Hitler agreed with their beliefs that Jews didn't belong in Europe. In Pre-WWII Nazi Germany, the Zionist newspaper and the Zionist groups were the only Jewish newspapers and groups that were allowed to continue, again because the Zionist goal of moving Jews to Palestine was in harmony with the Nazi goal at the time to remove Jews from Europe. Zionist groups were allowed by the Nazis to set up training camps In Germany for those wishing to go to Palestine. The German Zionist party congratulated Hitler on assuming the government leadership. Many of the early Zionists embraced Mussolini and Hitler(except for his Jewish hatred) and fascism, and, among others, Arthur Ruppin, called the "Father of Jewish Settlement in Palestine", was a firm believer in the same social Darwinism and eugenics that enthralled Hitler. See: ” target=”_blank”>http://www.tau.ac.il/tarbut/sadna/Bloom/HEIEtan%2… Many of the leading Zionists of the time did little to save European Jews unless those Jews were useful to the new settlement in Palestine( "of good human material", as one put it), and were willing to come to Palestine. Those Jews who were weak or unsuitable, or unwilling to move to Palestine were of no consequence to the leaders of the Zionist movement during WWII. They admitted to trying to quash any rescue efforts of European Jews that did not involve a move to Palestine. See Yosef Grodzinsky's In the Shadow of the Holocaust, titled Of Good Human Material in the Israeli edition of the book. The Grand Mufti sought help from Germany to fight the British, and to prevent the immigation of more Jews to Palestine, since such immigration clearly would lead and did lead to the destruction of Palestinian Arab's rights.. The Stern Gang sought help from Germany to fight the British and to guarantee more Jewish immigration to Palestine. Neither is remarkable. Its what happens in war, when a weaker party seeks the help of a stronger party in fighting what is considered a common enemy. If the Grand Mufti was only interested in "killing Jews" he could have done it much more easily in Palestine and probably would have been successful in preventing the establishment of a Jewish state if he had been even half as bloodthirsty and hateful as you claim.

    Arabs & Muslims allied with and fought alongside Nazis.

    Again, your knowledge of history is poor. Some Arabs and Muslims allied with Germany, usually beause they were seeking to throw off British domination but the majority of them either fought Germany or remained neutral . A few German Jews fought IN the German Army.Are you going to fault all Jews some 70 years later for the acts of a few, or do you apply different harsher rules to Arabs and Muslims?

    These assholes that fire rockets at Israeli schools and shoot pregnant Israeli women in their cars or stab an Italian peace activist in Jerusalem need to take responsibility for their actions.

    Are you talking about individuals or do all Palestinians have to take responsibility for the actions of an individual.? What about these Jewish settler children who have shouted "Death to Arabs", or other hateful Jewish individuals who have murdered Palestinians? Do they have to take responsibility or do all Jews have to be held responsible for the actions of an individual? The Grand Mufti died a long time ago. Even if you sincerely believe he was a horrible hateful man, why are all the Palestinians to be held responsible for his actions? Your logic is the same one that the Nazis used to blame the Jews for Kristallnacht, since they considered all Jews responsible for the acts of an individual. <These assholes that fire rockets at Israeli schools and shoot pregnant Israeli women in their cars or stab an Italian peace activist in Jerusalem need to take responsibility for their actions.

  59. jdva
    May 19, 2009, 11:40 pm

    "Have you been to Israel?" No, but every American should get a free trip courtesy of the Jewish Agency for the trillions of dollars that have been poured into Israel since 1948. BTW, here's another book that might interest you: Hitler's Jewish Soldiers: The Untold Story Of Nazi Racial Laws And Men Of Jewish Descent In The German Military ” target=”_blank”>http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Des… I bring this book up to delineate the utter stupidity of race laws (as were in effect in Nazi Germany, the US and now Israel). Race laws are barbaric, stone-age relics that always destroy the culture that implements them. Oddly, under the "Nuremberg Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor", the only two flags allowed to fly in Germany were the Reich flag and the Jewish/Zionist flag (now the flag of Israel): Article 4: Jews are forbidden to fly the Reich or National flag or to display the Reich colors. They are, on the other hand, permitted to display the Jewish colors. The exercise of this right is protected by the State. The only person spewing bigotry on this thread is you, the guy screaming about Arabs and Muslims – an ethnic group and a religion. Being opposed to the ideology of Zionism is a principle, not bigotry.

  60. Senhal
    May 19, 2009, 11:50 pm

    'Ben-Gurion threw human debris Into the enemies' eyes. On the bones of boys from the Holocaust A new road to Jerusalem was built.' (In Tom Segev, The Seventh Million, p. 178) Shows you what the survivors who came to Israel though about their treatment. In fact, the Yishuv seems mostly to have cared about the symbolic value of the killings in Europe; an unsurprising fact given their disdain for the 'exilic Jew'.* Segev notes that Yad Vashem was first proposed in September 1942: 'There was no clearer, more grotesque, even macabre expression of the tendency to think of the Holocaust in the past tense: while the yishuv discussed the most appropriate way to memorialize them, most of the victims were still alive' (p. 104). As regards your grandfather: if you have read books like Novick's The Holocaust in American Life, or any standard work on national identity formation and religion in the U.S. during WWII and the early Cold War you will know that it was extraordinarily important for American Jews to make it known that they did not fight the Nazis as Jews fighting for other Jews, but that they fought as Americans, because they were Americans. *(Read Hannah Arendt on how survivors were interrogated at the trial of Adolf Eichmann, and you'll get some of the flavour of what the Jews of the Yishuv thought about the Holocaust; Sara Roy has noted that when she visited her aunt, a Holocaust survivor, in Israel as girl, she feared for aunt's life because of the way survivors were spoken about there.)

  61. ISM_kills
    May 19, 2009, 11:56 pm

    ISM? Aren't they responsible fore getting a bunch of Americans and Brits shot and protecting terrorists that murdered Israelis? Shadi Sukiya On March 27, 2003, Palestinian Shadi Sukiya was captured by the Israel Defense Forces in Jenin. According to Israel, he was a senior Islamic Jihad member. [34] The arrest (during which a handgun was found) occurred in the offices of the ISM and, according to the Israeli government, Sukiya was aided by two ISM activists. ]Hamas and Islamic Jihad According to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, ISM activist Susan Barclay "knowingly worked with representatives from Hamas and Islamic Jihad — terrorist groups that sponsor suicide bombings and exist, according to their charters, to demolish the Jewish state entirely." [35] Omar Khan Sharif and Asif Mohammed Hanif On April 30, 2003, Britons Omar Khan Sharif and Asif Mohammed Hanif carried out a suicide bombing attack at a bar. On April 25, 2003, they met for tea with Raphael Cohen, an ISM activist ” target=”_blank”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Solida…

  62. Stacy
    May 20, 2009, 1:37 am

    Interesting that the type of coverage Max is doing never seems to make its way into the mainstream American media- you know, to perhaps show both sides of the issue so people might actually be able to make at least a *little* bit more of an informed decision about the conflict as opposed to, say, being spoon-fed right-wing, anti-Palestinian propaganda on a *constant* basis. And funny our political leaders never seem to acknowledge these stories, either. White phosphorus used by the IDF? Nah. If Israel says it didn't happen, then it did NOT happen! End of story.

  63. seham
    May 20, 2009, 3:09 am

    Okkkk, so this Dr. Tawfik that me and 99.9% of Arabs never heard of because he doesn't speak for Arabs, he speaks for an American audience, only, somehow he is a learned scholar and we should all listen to what he says… but then these are the same people who love to attack Norm Finklestein and call him a crackpot and anti-semite or whatever it is you guys call him… even though his parents met in an Austrian concentration camp. I don't like how the new commenting system doesn't have emoticons. I enjoy using the laughing face one. Some of you guys are horrible, horrible, horrible hasbara agents, you get an F-

  64. Strahl
    May 20, 2009, 3:14 am

    If Americans – REAL Americans, not dual-loyalty Zionist Jews – were to see what those Nazi settlers are doing in the OT and what the COWARDLY IDF do to the Palestinians on a daily basis then they would despise Israel as most people do.

  65. seham
    May 20, 2009, 3:16 am

    I have heard plenty of Rabbis say really offensive things about Muslims, the internet is great that way because it exposes you to all kinds of stuff you won't see on CNN or read about in the New York Times. However, it seems like an odd way to spend my time digging up dirt on the rabbis and posting it online to convince people of what exactly? That Jews can be just as offensive as Muslims? Clearly, your agenda is to demonize Muslims at every chance you get, Craig. But since I have no interest in demonizing Jews or Judaism by trying to tie the religion to some of the offensive things that some rabbis have said, I will pass on schooling you and let you have your own little hate fest.

  66. andrew
    May 20, 2009, 5:37 am

    A few points: 1. No other well-known Palestinian figure collaborated with the Nazis. Palestinians were so pro-Nazi Husseini had to use Bosnians for cannon fodder. 2. It's very disingenuous to pass off Nazi collaboration as an Arab/Muslim phenomenon. There were pockets of resistance and collaboration with the Nazis across the MENA, same as with Europe (hey, there were a few Nazi collaborators in Germany but it's not German land you Zionists want). Lebanon and Syria didn't hand over Jews. An Iranian diplomat saved 500 French Jews. The Sultan of Morocco refused to implement anti-semitic measures imposed by Vichy. 3. The 51 Documents were compiled by Lenni Brenner, who was a civil rights activist. He also wrote 'Zionism in the Age of Dictators' which details zionist collaboration with the tsar, the Ottoman sultan and the fascist regimes. There's nothing in his work analogous to the Protocols. If anything, documenting Zionists working with anti semites is the opposite.

  67. PlanetMichelle
    May 20, 2009, 6:35 am

    The Israelis removed their settlers in Gaza only because they were planning the big terror trip on the Gazans. They made a detailed dummy Gaza in the negev desert (complete with masjids, schools etc) they practiced their weapons on. They are big effen liars everything they say and do. Never will there be a 2 state. No intentions whatsoever. No peace. Just an Arabridden Palestine (and power in the White House). Whether it was Natenyahu or Mossad Livni or Olmert or any of them. Obama has no leverage…we are broke and Zionists own the banks! We've got nothing but trouble in store for us (God help the Palestinians!) with Obama the best we can hope for is that he makes things drag untill the next Republican asshole comes along.

  68. Saleema
    May 20, 2009, 6:42 am

    Doesn't our friend Witty have anything to say on this?

  69. Eva Smagacz
    May 20, 2009, 7:10 am

    Replies sometimes "fold" and need to be expanded again.

  70. Eva Smagacz
    May 20, 2009, 7:21 am

    Mark, If someone will come to my house in leafy Sussex, Uk and told me that they were victims in Marshall Islands so they now can kick me out of my house and could I please set up a tent in neighboring county I would totally reject their logic too. And if I quietly left and started living in a tent social services would take my children and I would be admitted to emergency ward in a local psychiatric facility. We art not idiots. Please don't use "total rejection" as an excuse for Nakba.

  71. andrew
    May 20, 2009, 8:07 am

    Thanks for that, Tree. My letter to a local hasbara paper (a minor miracle in itself) was met with two responses, and one of them had to nerve to brag about the kindness of the Supreme Court regarding the separation wall. It's like the constant hyping of Israel as a democracy because Arabs can serve in the knesset, except that's no mechanism for challenging the segregation (and no one ever mentions that only zionist parties go into the cabinet, anti-zionist parties are banned from the whole government by law). Plus the whole knesset just voted to ban Balad and Ta'al, but that was over turned by the court but I'm assuming they can try again. Do you have a good resource on the Israeli court system and how it doesn't really protect any one from the state? This is a relative blindspot in my knowledge.

  72. ibnezra
    May 20, 2009, 9:16 am

    Hi all, I have two posts about the history of Hill 26 and my experience there. One is a brief translation of the settlers internal forums about ta'ayush and me at hilltop 26. it is interesting and can be found here ” target=”_blank”>http://ibnezra.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/leftists-… and also ” target=”_blank”>http://ibnezra.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/violence-… send around. all the best, joseph

  73. Jake in Jerusalem
    May 20, 2009, 10:26 am

    Israel wants to keep its own land in the same way that any sovereign state wants to keep its own land. The problem is that Jihadis believe that the whole world "belongs to Islam". Hence territorial disputes Muslims have with Hindus, Buddhists, Christians… and also Jews. The real question is why do Muslims o badly want everyone else's land?

  74. Shirin
    May 21, 2009, 1:31 pm

    Pity? Oh, please! They have free will in regard to their own actions, and they freely choose to be brutal, racist thugs. They are not innocent bystanders.

  75. Shirin
    May 21, 2009, 1:44 pm

    Mark, you need to go away for awhile, study some history, and then come back after you can discuss the subject with at least a little bit of knowledge of facts.

  76. Craig
    June 7, 2009, 6:32 am

    No, believe it or not, there are other people named Craig on this planet. That's my name and it's not "Pearlman" you nutty jackalope.

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