On Monday night, following the Obama-Netanyahu meeting, Charlie Rose had an interesting half hour with Rashid Khalidi, Bret Stephens of the Wall Street Journal, and Lally Weymouth of Newsweek (and Jim Hoagland in Washington, reporting).
The best part of the show was seeing Khalidi holding his own with two neoconservatives at Rose's table. What those neocons are doing there, I don't know; it is merely tragic that they continue to have such sway, that a realist was not there to counter Stephens's Zionism. But Khalidi diplomatically and firmly insisted that 1948 is the baseline. 1948 must be addressed, he said. "If you don't address those grievances," you can forget about a peaceful solution.
Stephens, formerly of the Jerusalem Post, was angered by this, and Weymouth echoed him with "Exactly"s. Stephens stated two or three times that Israel faces an "existential" threat. Not from the Palestinians. No: from Iran, and also from the very idea of 1948. "Is this about 1967 or about 1948?… We're right back at Partition of 1947," he said.
"It started in 1948," Khalidi said.
You're opening a can of worms, Stephens said.
"It was opened up when these people were expelled in 1948."
Stephens then sputtered that 1948 was a "distraction" and a recipe for endless argument.
The contretemps underlines the point I (and Horowitz) make here frequently: that the oppression of the Palestinians and ongoing colonial project with complete disregard for the Green Line has opened the door on 1948. I suppose I agree with the necons somewhat, and wonder if the Palestinians ever wanted a deal along 1967 lines; but the core issue is injustice, and an injustice with a long pedigree.
Khalidi was wonderfully persistent. He said that unless Israel starts ending the occupation, the Palestinian situation will have a destabilizing impact on Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and even the Gulf States. It's the big enchilada. He warned about another conflict. He said that one of the things that was never mentioned in the Bibi-Barack press conference was the word "occupation." (Search the transcript; you won't find it!) To think that Palestinians will go on accepting their lot "quiescently" is "folly…
"This thing has to be moved very quickly.. This is your last chance, or you will create the one-state solution."
The other "existential" threat in Stephens's view –and Weymouth echoed him– involves Netanyahu's insistence that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state. "This is the key point. This is the existential issue," he said. There must, Weymouth said, "be no right of return." Yes, Stephens said, they get to go back to the new Palestinian state.
The aura of the neocons is abstraction. They speak of all these "existential" principles, and theirs is a religious agenda; it has to with the religious character of a place they choose not to live; and they would commit American resources to fierce opposition and war in behalf of the religious character of a place they don't want to live. They insist that Egypt and Saudi Arabia are on board with the big agenda–facing down Iran–and thereby ignore the misery of the occupation and the desire of the Palestinians to return to their villages. Khalidi is far closer to the ground, and sees these abstractions for what they are, follies.
Related posts:
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- Khalidi describes Palestinians in occupied territories as ‘helots with no rights’
- CNN Shocker: Khalidi Accused Israel of ‘Occupying Palestinian Territories’
- Avnery: ‘existential threat’ from Iran is Netanyahu’s bluff to hold on to territory
- 2-1/2 More Writers Standing Up for Khalidi
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Yes. Who is going to compensate the Jews that were thrown out of Arab countries during the Judaic Nakba? Those Jews had nothing to do with what happened to any palestinian yet they were made to suffer for the sins of the British and the UN.
The Green Line of 1947 established Israel's national borders. In 1947 Jews all over the world rejoiced, and that joy should guide them to accept the world's gift to the Jews without any other concessions from the Palestinians, who were grievously wronged by the UN's (and US's) decision to give their land away. All other Palestinian territories should become the Palestinian state without any interference from Israel, the US or any other nation, and the US should help defend the Palestinian state as generously and as vigorously as it has helped Israel expand their borders beyond the Green Line.
"The aura of the neocons is abstraction" — this is one of the most profound observations I've heard about recent US politics in a long time. It's also poetry.
Those Jews left due to Jewish false flag operations that scared them off–to become cannon fodder for the new ashkenazified Israel.
History does not provide you with proof. One or two discredited sources might, but they have been discredited.
Who is going to compensate the families that were expelled and murdered in the Nakba? Who is going to compensate the families of the millions who were murdered by Jewish Bolsheviks in Soviet Russia? Organized Jewry demands open-ended reparations when it is the persecuted, and hammers away at the world until it gets them, even from those with no guilt whatsoever. But when the Jewish Apparatus is the transgressor, organized Jewry says: "You're opening a can of worms, this is a distraction, this is a recipe for endless argument, let's change the subject to one revolving around what you can give the Jews, not what the Jews owe you." Every time the Jewish Apparatus shouts "Palestinian terror!," shout "Nakba!" in return; everytime the Jewish Apparatus shouts "Holocaust!", shout "Jewish Bolshevik mass murder!" in return.
Who will compensate the Canaanites?
Oh, I forgot one. Every time the Jewish Apparatus shouts "Islamofascism and 9/11!", shout "Judeofascism and the Iraq war lies!" in return. One day the Jewish Apparatus should be made to pay reparations to all of the families of the American soldiers killed in Iraq. Rupert Murdoch and the Wall Street Journal are among those on the hook. In fact, there are plenty of deep pockets out there that were part of the evil enterprise. To settle for anything less than full economic restoration to the families of those killed and maimed is a slap in the face to America's soldiers and to the American flag itself.
Its funny how Zionists can harbor two opposing thoughts at the same time. Acording to Zionists all Jews long for Israel and feel a strong desire to make aliya, and at the same time, all those Jews from Arab countries, that longed to make aliya, must have been "thrown out" by their own countries rather than choosing to come to Israel of their own accord. So which is it? Here's an anwer from a Jew, and former Zionist, who was in Israel during that time. From Hanna Braun's Memoirs of an Anti-Zionist Jew:( She came to then Palestine in 1937, fleeing from Nazi Germany)
http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/articles... I notice, as well, that you talk about the "sins of the British and the UN", but fail to include Israel. Neither the British nor the UN bears primary responsibility for the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinians. That responsibility belongs to Israel. If you can't even acknowledge that then you are simply a denier of the truth.
No opposing thoughts. While the recreation of Israel, the national homeland of the Jews, afforded all Jews haven, none should have been forced. The Arabs ethnically cleansed approximately 900,000 Jews, forcing them to move to Israel. This Nakba, for them, demands compensation from the arab nations. Your anecdotal post is anecdotal. Proves nothing.
Who will compensate American taxpayers for their involuntary contributions, arranged by pro-colonization members of Congress, to Israeli ethnic cleansing and colonization? Maybe we could sue the Israeli government in American courts and have Israeli assets here in the United States frozen. Has this not already been done by private individual against Libya and Iran? Seriously, extremist Zionists need to shed this utterly unproductive eternal victimhood complex. Everyone can claim past wrongs. Continuous harping about them accomplishes nothing. It is in Israel's interest to compromise with Palestinians to ensure Israel's existence. Personally, I think the chances of Zionists getting their act together in time are slim to none. If I live a normal lifespan, I'll see the end of Israel. Israel's nuclear weapons will not insure the continued existence of its government any more than did the USSR's.
…aren't you a selfish one? Who's gonna take care of me and my people? Well that's is original.
Their land wasn't given away. The ethnic majority on the land demanded self rule. Quite legal.
Just as soon as the Arabs compensate the Jews for the Judaic Nakba, we will discuss the lesser Arab Nakba
After every truth, shout out a lie? Good strategy, Ed. I think most of us will restrict our poor behavoir to slapping you in the face, repeatedly. Damn shame you are powerless to do anything about it. How does it feel to be a wimp?
I just watched the video, having read Bret Stephens' columns a few times in the past but never having seen him on TV. An off-topic comment, but I couldn't help noticing that he sounds like just the guy on Everyone Loves Raymond.
That argument would be much more convincing if Israel had a good history of treating Sephardic and Mizrahic Jews. As it stands, your point is pretty ridiculous.
The ethnic majority on the land demanded self rule. Quite legal. Perhaps the Palestinians should reconsider the one state solution.
Not at all. Israel's treatment of Sephardic and Mizrahic Jews has nothing to do with the legal requirement of those Arab nations to compensate those same Jews for the ethnic cleansing that occured during the Judaic Nakba. Or do you think the the Arabs are exempt for their moral failures?
The palestinians.
Why? They can't handle the territory they administer? They need the Jews to hold their hands?
Pride goeth before a fall.
The dual loyalty Zionists need the Americans to hold their hands. The Israelis, on the other hand, broke the right hand of every Palestinian male adult and child they detained during the First Intifada. Never offer your hand to an Israeli.
Seems you've fallen very far indeed.
Don't offer it unless it is in honesty. Offer it with a bomb and it will be broken.
Jewish Zionists stab people in the back, take the dagger out half-way and call it "progress." – Malcolm X, updated for the 21st century.
Sorry to disappoint those on this list. Israelis are not going to commit national suicide. The conflict will not be over until the Palestinians and their supporters learn to accept the existence of Israel. It is now 61 years–the original refugees will soon be all gone. Eventually nobody will care that your great grandmother lost her home and had to move 5 miles away. All the focus on occupation is off the point. When the Palestinians decide to get on with their lives, then there will be hope of peace. Until then, peace through strength. And Weiss and his buddies on this blog will whine unto eternity. How about doing something more productive, like maybe inventing the cell phone…
On the question of the 'Arab Jewish Naqba' – Yehouda Shenhav: The organization's claims infuriated many Arab Jews in Israel who defined themselves as Zionists. As early as 1975, at the time of WOJAC's formation, Knesset speaker Yisrael Yeshayahu declared: "We are not refugees. [Some of us] came to this country before the state was born. We had messianic aspirations." Shlomo Hillel, a government minister and an active Zionist in Iraq, adamantly opposed the analogy: "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists." In a Knesset hearing, Ran Cohen stated emphatically: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee." He added: "I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee." The opposition was so vociferous that Ora Schweitzer, chair of WOJAC's political department, asked the organization's secretariat to end its campaign. She reported that members of Strasburg's Jewish community were so offended that they threatened to boycott organization meetings should the topic of "Sephardi Jews as refugees" ever come up again. Such remonstration precisely predicted the failure of the current organization, Justice for Jews from Arab Countries to inspire enthusiasm for its efforts.
The palestinians will stop whining about their land when the Jews stop whining about the holocaust and the 5000 years they were scattered away from Judea. So let's see, if the jews didn't stop whining for 5000 years, how long do you think the palestinians should be able to keep whining. My sincere apologies to all holocaust survivors, this is not meant to belittle your suffering.
On the question of the 'Arab Jewish Naqba' – Yehouda Shenhav: The organization's claims infuriated many Arab Jews in Israel who defined themselves as Zionists. As early as 1975, at the time of WOJAC's formation, Knesset speaker Yisrael Yeshayahu declared: "We are not refugees. [Some of us] came to this country before the state was born. We had messianic aspirations." Shlomo Hillel, a government minister and an active Zionist in Iraq, adamantly opposed the analogy: "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists." In a Knesset hearing, Ran Cohen stated emphatically: "I have this to say: I am not a refugee." He added: "I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee." The opposition was so vociferous that Ora Schweitzer, chair of WOJAC's political department, asked the organization's secretariat to end its campaign. She reported that members of Strasburg's Jewish community were so offended that they threatened to boycott organization meetings should the topic of "Sephardi Jews as refugees" ever come up again. Such remonstration precisely predicted the failure of the current organization, Justice for Jews from Arab Countries to inspire enthusiasm for its efforts.
Darling Ed! Rupert Murdoch isn't Jewish. Nor is the WSJ. And your logic about al Qaeda killing American soldiers and you demanding Jews to pay reparations marks you as a nut. Why should we keep listening to you? You make no sense!
RE: "Those Jews left due to Jewish false flag operations…" & "History does not provide you with proof…" FROM WIKIPEDIA: Lavon Affair, State of Israel (excerpt) The Lavon Affair refers to the scandal over a failed Israeli covert operation in Egypt known as Operation Susannah, in which Israeli military intelligence planted bombs in Egyptian, American and British-owned targets in Egypt in the summer of 1954 in the hopes that "the Muslim Brotherhood, the Communists, 'unspecified malcontents' or 'local nationalists'" would be blamed.[1] It became known as the Lavon Affair after the Israeli defense minister Pinhas Lavon, who was forced to resign because of the incident, or euphemistically as the Unfortunate Affair (Hebrew: העסק הביש, HaEsek HaBish). Egypt retaliated against its Jewish community….. SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
Colin, it is the ARAB WORLD and especially the PALESTINEAN AUTHORITY that is guilty of ethnic cleansing – there are NO JEWS on "Holy Islamic Soil ™". However, 1 out of 5 Israeli citizens is an Arab. So who is guilty of ethnic cleansing? And while you're at it, perhaps you can answer the next question: Who is a bigot?
Ummmm,. if the choice is to have one's hand broken by one side or have your head cut off with a small knife by the other side, guess which side is preferable?
How can Palestineans "whine about their land" when they have never had "their land" – anywhere in history??? What the so-called Palestineans want is SOMEONE ELSE'S LAND. And Islamo-fascists will want your land, soon, too. Bank on it.
RE: "Its funny how Zionists can harbor two opposing thoughts at the same time." SEE: "The Authoritarians" (261 pages), by Bob Altemeyer, Department of Psychology, University of Manitoba Chapter 1 Who Are the Authoritarian Followers? Chapter 2 The Roots of Authoritarian Aggression, and Authoritarianism Itself Chapter 3 How Authoritarian Followers Think Chapter 4 Authoritarian Followers and Religious Fundamentalism Chapter 5 Authoritarian Leaders Chapter 6 Authoritarianism and Politics Chapter 7 What's To Be Done? FREE PDF DOWNLOAD – http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAut... ALTERNATE SITE – http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAut... EXCEPT FROM PAGE 89: 2. Highly Compartmentalized Minds As I said earlier, authoritarians’ ideas are poorly integrated with one another. It’s as if each idea is stored in a file that can be called up and used when the authoritarian wishes, even though another of his ideas–stored in a different file– basically contradicts it. We all have some inconsistencies in our thinking, but authoritarians can stupify you with the inconsistency of their ideas. Thus they may say they are proud to live in a country that guarantees freedom of speech, but another file holds, “My country, love it or leave it.” The ideas were copied from trusted sources, often as sayings, but the authoritarian has never “merged files” to see how well they all fit together.
bradallen, how gallant of you to speak for the Palestinians. Are you their adopted parent? The Jewish diaspora from the Holy Land took place about 1900 years ago–not 5000. And Jews have not been whining. We have been building. There is a difference. For all the centuries Jews worked and built lives. We did not live for generations on welfare. Before the partition in 1947, there was a Jewish agency to build the infrastructure for a state–but there was no such Arab agency. Bleeding hearts like you are delaying any possible solution. Think about it.
Jake, and I envy you being in Jeruslaem (if that's where you really are). I was there only once years ago, what a beautiful place, full of history and old alleys where people from all over the world came to live and cherish this place that for centuries armies fought over it. The interesting thing is, no matter when in history people came to Jersualem, there were always people there, so who do you suppose they are. Call them Palestinians, call them whatever you want, but acknowledge that people have lived in this part of the world long before the league of nations, the United nations or any european powers decided to divided it up and give it a nationalist identity. We are all victims of history and wars that shaped our destiny, and that of the people we call "the Palestinians".
Sorry to disappoint you Elliott, I blame the Arab countries even more than I blame Israel for the state the Palestinians are in. And I want both the Arab countries and Israel to answer for the years these people have suffered. If I am a bleeding heart, so be it, I would have felt the same way about the Jews under the Nazis. It is us bleeding hearts who remind you, you are not alone.
It is not very comforting that you would have been sympathetic to my cousins who were killed by the Nazis. Your sympathy would not have saved a single one of them. However the support and sympathy by you, and those like you, now do cost lives, since they impede any ultimate solution. As long as Palestinians want victimhood more than they want to make something of their lives, the conflict will go on. And you keep enabling them.
I wasn't trying to comfort you, as I suspect you have a cold heart and think only of yourself. By the way, so were my cousins, and many family members close and distant. Jews weren't the only ones who died in that war. I am curious Elliot. Do you see the solution for this conflict that the Palestinians should just forget and move on, where to?. Would you have thought the same about the Armenians and would you tell them forget about the Turkish Genocide. how about all the people who suffered under Russian occupation, I am so glad they didn't, otherwise, most of Europe would still be USSR. Do you support any cause in the world where people have been fighting to recover their rights, is your answer always, forget about it and move on. I will differ from you, I support many and will continue to enable as many, my definition of justice is obviously different from yours
PHIL why not chronicle daily every journalist,planted aipac peace,washington official ,israeli statement, ect.. that pushes the iran war on us over the next year so that when its all over years from now americans can look back a see EXACTLY how and who pushed america into war on behalf of a foreign country. SO AMERICANS KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN THE FUTURE TO AVOID BEING FOOLED INTO WAR BY AN ORGANIZED APPARATUS and not have to look back an ask how did we get stuck in this?
The vast majority of Jews were ethnically cleansed from arab lands before 1954. Close, but no cigar.
Just as the majority of Jews were infuriated at accepting maoney from the heirs of Nazi germany. Regardless, The Palestinians want money? Pay the Jews first.
Fair treatment and justice. You want it for the palestinians? Then give it to the jews. Unless you're a racist.
Just as the majority of Jews were infuriated at accepting maoney from the heirs of Nazi germany. Regardless, The Palestinians want money? Pay the Jews first.
Your contribution is voluntary as an american citizen. Relinquish such and stop paying taxes. Simplicity for a simpleton.
And you have only an unsupported false assertion that 900,000 Jews were ethnically cleansed from Arab lands. The Jews who left do not support your assertion. It is merely a propaganda point, meant to excuse what Israel did to the Palestinians by falsely claiming that Arab countries did the same thing to Jews after Israel did it to the Palestinians.
So why are you complaining about your fantastical "Jews were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries"? By your own reasoning, if any Jews ethnically cleansed, they were simply the result of the ethnic majority in those countries demanding "self rule. Quite legal." In fact, by that faulty and disgusting logic of yours, the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Germany was also just the result of the German ethnic majority demanding self rule. Its pathetic how often Zionists resort to fascist excuses when they think it will help their cause.
"I suppose I agree with the necons somewhat, and wonder if the Palestinians ever wanted a deal along 1967 lines;" I find it remarkable that people still think that this matters in any way. Israel was marching ahead full throttle with its colonial project in the West Bank. Whatever Palestinians felt about 1948 and 1967 was utterly irrelevant to the real important thing: the reality on the ground. That reality is one of continuous expansion, expulsion, ethnic cleansing from 1936 to today. The ultimate Zionist lie is in continuing to find any Palestinian opposition to this racist colonialism, and portray this opposition as the cause of the colonialism.
You are foolish if you think that it will be forgotten. When I lived in Morocco I met Jewish and Arab families that still had keys to their houses in Granada and that was only about 500yrs after the fact. "Why can't they just get over it" is a lame thought. forget about it
Even non-Jews are utilized by the Jewish Apparatus, and form coalitions with it. Examples: Stalinists and Jewish Bolsheviks, Neocons and Jewish Zionists, War profiteers (Murdoch sold war to sell more newspapers and get higher television ratings) and Jewish Zionists. Murdoch himself is a Zionist. American soldiers would never have been killed in Iraq if the Neocons, war profiteers and Jewish Apparatus hadn't lied America into the Iraq war. I want Israel investigated to determine what role it and tis Zionist agents played in formulating the false intelligence used to lie America into the Iraq war. Israel likely owes the families of killed and maimed American soldiers billions in reparations.
Convince people who regularly read Zundelsite, Mondoweiss, and StormFront? Are you kidding?
Ooh, so now the ethnic majority in the lands of Greater Israel can demand self rule and get it, right?
Nothing to do with the Jews, ed. Get a life. The one you have now sucks.
Just you. And we do it right in front of you. And you can't do a thing about it. Like Ed, you are a powerless wimp emasculated by your piss poor education. And your mother.
The number is substantiated. If you do not perform the required acts to compensate the jews, then there is no reason to expect the Jews to compensate the Arabs. especially for the sins of the British and the UN. All the Jews did was beat the shit out of the arabs trying to kill them.
Maybe. All depends.
Did you forget the ethnic cleansing odf the jews from hebron by the Arabs? 1936? The start of the Arab riots?
bradallen, Your view of justice excludes the possibility of a Jewish homeland. The ultimate solution is a compromise–the Palestinians do not need to forget–they need to find a compromise that allows both Jews and Palestinians to have a homeland. If the redress of Palestinian grievances, including those perpetrated by their fellow Arabs, is solely Israel's responsibility and you are asking Israelis to commit national suicide, then I have to ask of you…What other nationality do you want to eliminate? Americans? Turks? Russians? Or is it just Jews?
Since the Palestinians are the majority in all the land under Israel's control, i'm sure you'll be cheering on their right to self-rule
" we will discuss" "What you mean 'um "we", paleface"? One of the common halucionations associated with the drug is this grandiosity. Look, just a few snorts of ziocaine and Jaconwolfen expands from one demented individual into a "we"! Ooh, Ed, I wonder how the "we" would do in a battle with "the rest of us"? The "uses" against the "wees"! It'll be a regular melee! "We" will discuss! Go pound sand Wolfie. Aren't you a royal little macher!
"I think most of us will restrict our poor behavoir to slapping you in the face, repeatedly." Listen to the little man, ready to slap! What a little tough guy. With ten thousand Jacobwolfsen, Israel's image on the world stage is in good hands. You won't have any problem convincing people of the facts about Israel-Palestine. That will be terrible for Israel Jocobson.
"Continuous harping about them accomplishes nothing." That's where you're wrong, Colin. "Harping", or to use the exact medical term, kvetching is one of the essential ingredients in the body's production of ziocaine. And once ziocaine is coursing through your blood-vessels, you are a new man, with all the strength and smarts of Jacob Wolfsen.
It is useful to bring up the issue of Jewish refugees from Arab lands in the discussion of Palestinian refugees. It is a subject worthy of thorough and honest research. However comparisons of numbers and motivations and conditions or the respective exoduses (exodii?) should not be made in the my team/your team spirit. The two groups have much more in common than not. They should be allies. Someone asked about compensation and right of return etc for the Arab Jews. It is rare that this question comes up from Zionist sources for the reason that addressing such a question would beg the question of justice for the Palestinians – which is why Palestinians should be bringing it up. I envision Sephardic Jews and Palestinians making common cause. Each deserves a right to return, compensation, and so on.
When you attempt to imagine what others think, you usually guess wrong. Its inevitable. We live within our own skins. We cannot possibly imagine what others are thinking.
The people on this blog seem to be getting angrier. maybe it's because they've figured out that The Chief Nigga in Charge cares even less about their repulsive pets (Palestinians) than I do.
Elliot himself is a fucking Nazi. He is obviously delusional and doesn't know a goddamn thing about this conflict. He cares about Jews first and then other human beings. Essentially, this piece of garbage wants the Palestinians to give up ALL their rights and all their dignity to please the poor poor Jews. Disgusting. Fuck you, you sadist.
Poor Mooser, can't accept the fact that all one need do to handle the Eds of the world is a backhand? Nothing will convince you readers of Zundel, Duke, and Stormfront. The truth has left you behind without a backwards glance.
Typical stance of the Palestinian. No wonder no one will allow them citizenship.
Not you. Your input is certainly not needed in the company of educated people. You can discuss your problems with the dog. Then you both can do what you do best.
They should have self rule. And a state.
jim haygood….no doubt your real namke is moishe.thank goodness obama is urinating in israels mouth publically and often, i speak for all non jewish americans when i say WE ARE PROUD OF HIM!!!
People like Elliot do not recognize the Turkish genocide against the Armenians.
The Palestinians want to return to their homes. Any Arab Jew that wants to do that is able to return to his or her country of origin.
Yes, see Mooser, you can't belong to the Zionist Jew club. They don't want you. You're not "good human material". Just like the white supremacists don't let any whites that believe in racial equality(you know, the n—– lovers) join their club. Be thankful. Be very thankful.
So financial support for occupation is a condition for American citizenship? I'm glad we have that cleared up.
Arab Jews who were transported by Israel out of their birth countries to Israel are victims of Zionism. Further, they have benefited directly from the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Reparations and compensation of Palestinians should not be held hostage to their rights to the return of or compensation for property that was confiscated from them by their Arab governments when they left. As for right of return of Arab Jews, those who want to return should be welcomed back, and their property restored or compensation paid. I have never heard of any demand for a right of return for Arab Jews, however, although in the '70's Iraq did offer that right to Iraqi Jews, including restoration of their property. I know that many Iraqi Jews still feel very connected to Iraq and those whom I knew in Iraq were as Iraqi as any other person there.
They were not ethnically cleansed, they were transported from their birht countries to Israel by agents of The Jewish State, often without really understanding where they were being taken or why. Many of them were deceived into leaving their home countries. When they arrived in Israel they were treated little better than livestock, sprayed with DDT, stripped of their Arabic names, given Hebrew ones, and placed in substandard living conditions, forced to do jobs that were considered beneath European Jews. Many of the Arab Jews who were treated this way had been part of the elite of their societies as doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, professors, artists, and important businessmen. The Lavon affair was one of a number of well-documented operations conducted in Arab countries by the Zionist underground.
LOL! In Jacobwolfen's dictionary discredited means simply something that Jacobwolfen does not want to admit to.
The Arabs did not ethnically cleanse 900,000 Jews, and no Jews were forced by the Arabs to move to Israel. On the contrary, Arab countries took steps to prevent Jewish citizens from moving to Israel. This was certainly the case with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and a number of other countries, which actually placed severe restrictions on international travel for Jewish citizens specifically in order to prevent their emigration to Israel. But you just keep right on fantasizing, Jacobwolfen, if it makes you feel better.
Except that Jews were not the ethnic majority of the land, as they constituted only about 30% of the population at that time.
In the '70's Iraq issued a formal, written invitation to Iraqi Jews and their descendants to return to Iraq. This invitation explicitly included full restoration of or restitution for confiscated property. Iraqi Jews were, for the most part, Iraqi through and through, and many if not most still feel a strong connection to Iraq. Still, one cannot blame them for not taking the Iraqi government up on the invitation. They have been in their adopted countries now for a long time, and have rebuilt their lives there.
"After every truth, shout out a lie" Good description of the standard Zionist strategy!
Ed comes across as a standard-issue Christian anti-Semite. As such he doe not represent those of us who are opposed to Zionism and who advocate for Palestinian rights.
Bret Stephens was a surprise…How'd he get here? Is the WSJ a promotion for him or a grade advancement for some serious skulduggery? Spouting the same old tired lines got rather boring and yes, Khalidi certainly held his own and took the Zionists on at their own game……Too bad there weren't more Arabs or Palestinians on the panel..Oh, but that would 'smack' or fair play or even democracy..which is anathema to Zionists… TATA
Too bad there weren't more Arabs or Palestinians on the panel." There never are. In fact, there is generally a conscious effort to make sure that Zionists outnumber non-or-anti-Zionists on any such panel.
Those who want to bury the Jewish authoritarian role in the Soviet Communist holocaust, yet ask the world to unearth the Jewish authoritarian role in the Nakba are hypocrites, possibly anti-Christian, and ultimately aiders and abettors of the Jewish authoritarianism that is persecuting the Palestinians.
Let's not generalize. How many other cases are there apart from the Lavon affair? In Egypt a number of Jews were expelled and the Lavon affair played its part, and Avi Shlaim strongly suspects that in Iraq some things happened too, but most jews were simply not expelled when they came to Israel. It's one of the many miracle stories. They've got this fresh new country and the people who they kept it in reserve for were all gone. They were in desperate need of people to fill the country. And then a miracle happens, everyone starts to expel the Jews.
Also, Lebanon and Morocco don't ban Jews from entering.
You're not for real.
They were on the land partition to be the Jewish homeland.
But the Arabs did. And no fantasy on your part diminishes the truth. Now pay up.
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