From Theodor Herzl's Diaries, July 6, 1895:
[Zionist Max] Nordau said, 'What is the tragedy of Jewry? That this
most conservative of peoples, which yearns to root itself in a soil,
has had no home for the last two thousand years."
We agreed so thoroughly on every point that I believed, since he had
the same ideas, he had arrived at my conclusion. "Anti-Semitism," he
said, "will compel the Jews to destroy among all peoples the idea of a
fatherland."
Or, I thought to myself, to create a fatherland of their own.
[Martin] Furth remarked, "It is not good for the Jews to foster
within themselves a strong nationalist feeling. It will merely lead to
worse persecution."
Earth is the home.
"Anti-Semitism," he said, "will compel the Jews to destroy among all peoples the idea of a fatherland." What an extraordinarily grandiose statement. And how very crypto-communist, as Ed will doubtless say. Yet Nordau was an arch-rightist. One can only conclude that, ultimately, he was a bit crackers. On second thoughts: there have been one or two other Jewish visionaries (or crackpots) who have fantasised about a future World State with its capital in Jerusalem. Harry Waton, and of course ben Gurion.
"Or, I thought to myself, to create a fatherland of their own" He goes on "How hard can it be? First we get us some Zionists, a little land, and boom! Instant Jewish State. What could go wrong?" Yup, he was an optimist, old Herzl was. In his line, well, youi had to be. If there was one thing you could count on in this lousy anti-Semitic world, it's that pessimists don't create fatherlands. Sclmiels, maybe, but pessimists, no.
The reason so many Jews are afflicted with messianic political ambitions revolving around an authoritarian State is because Judaism doesn't proselytize, so as an intensely ambitious minority, the diaspora organized Jewish nation needs an entity to advance Jewish interests that can tap into, move, or control the masses. Hence the authoritarian State. Hence Communism and other authoritarian Big Government enterprises. As I noted on the other thread, it is no surprise that 95% of the Jewish Zionists elected to Congress are Big Government Democrats. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/810011.html Anyone who values the Constitutional Republic, fee speech, and the former dynamic America that was produced by the principles of the Founders (and who values their own skin, for that matter) is in very grave danger.
The founders? I have little use for people who speak in flowery neologisms about liberty while their slaves stand shackled together like animals in the noontime sun. This country–like Israel– has always been a gigantic mistake.
From you?
No. Very obviously from you, Chris "jacobwolf" Berel. Drag your knuckles back into your tribal cave.
How would things have changed historically and politically if Herzl and the early Zionists had accept British colonial proposals to make portions of Uganda rather than Ottoman occupied Palestine, "The Jewish State"? Most likely, the early Jewish settlers would have fallen into the fatal trap of utilizing cheap Black labor, as was the case in South Africa and Rhodesia. Maybe Stalin's autonomous Jewish oblast in Siberia was the best option?
From you?
Historically, as there is no connection, the same situation, as occured in South Africa, would have unfolded. But it did not occur.