http://mondoweiss.net/2009/05/the-neoconservative-network-still-unreported.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 12:14:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://mondoweiss.net/2009/05/the-neoconservative-network-still-unreported.html/comment-page-1#comment-81434 Ed Mon, 18 May 2009 16:51:41 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/05/18/the-neoconservative-network-still-unreported.html#comment-81434 There really should be a political category other than "right-wing" for American/diaspora Jews who are right-wing vis-à-vis Israel and policy revolving around its cause and environs, and extremely socially liberal in their diaspora identity and politics -- which really describes the overwhelming majority of American Jews. Some political equivalent of the word hypocrite. rfk: "The internationalism of realists and progressives is often mistaken for imperialism by people who are too gilded by their ideologies, biases and nativism." LOL. How about this instead: The imperialism of Statist "progressives" is often mistaken for internationalism by people too gilded by their ideologies, gullibility and liberal conceit." There really should be a political category other than "right-wing" for American/diaspora Jews who are right-wing vis-à-vis Israel and policy revolving around its cause and environs, and extremely socially liberal in their diaspora identity and politics — which really describes the overwhelming majority of American Jews. Some political equivalent of the word hypocrite. rfk: "The internationalism of realists and progressives is often mistaken for imperialism by people who are too gilded by their ideologies, biases and nativism." LOL. How about this instead: The imperialism of Statist "progressives" is often mistaken for internationalism by people too gilded by their ideologies, gullibility and liberal conceit."

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/05/the-neoconservative-network-still-unreported.html/comment-page-1#comment-81433 rfjk Mon, 18 May 2009 16:17:20 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/05/18/the-neoconservative-network-still-unreported.html#comment-81433 au contraire The disbelief and shock the global community expressed regarding US actions after 9-11 belies your presumption. Empire in the technical sense was and remains a goal on the fringes of the US establishment and its foreign policy community of the far left and right of ultra nationalists. Neocons aren't so much imperialists as they are Israeli firsters who would betray their country for another at the drop of a hat. Their adventurism and use of imperial jingoism was more a tool to broaden their alliance with other factions to lead America into wars for the sake of Israel. The American masses on the other hand were either perplexed or shocked themselves at hearing America being described as an empire. Prior to 9-11 there is nothing in US myth making or its court histories that rudely smacks of US imperialism. The American Zeitgeist is decidedly anti-imperialist and political factions that push imperialism in the US end up defunct as the High Federalists did in 1800, and as dead as the next imperial moment shortly after the Spanish/American War. That's also one major reason among many why Neocons are banished into the wilderness and their name a bad word. The internationalism of realists and progressives is often mistaken for imperialism by people who are too gilded by their ideologies, biases and nativism. Such usually mistake the processes of convergence into international institutions and conventions as markers of imperialism, loss of US sovereignty or the end of the republic. What we have in Obama is an alliance between realists and progressives who are reasserting the multi-internationalist posture of the US. Whether they succeed in this is altogether another question. 8 years of the most diseased US presidency in American history has wrought great systemic damage only now being appreciated and much as yet unknown. au contraire The disbelief and shock the global community expressed regarding US actions after 9-11 belies your presumption. Empire in the technical sense was and remains a goal on the fringes of the US establishment and its foreign policy community of the far left and right of ultra nationalists. Neocons aren't so much imperialists as they are Israeli firsters who would betray their country for another at the drop of a hat. Their adventurism and use of imperial jingoism was more a tool to broaden their alliance with other factions to lead America into wars for the sake of Israel. The American masses on the other hand were either perplexed or shocked themselves at hearing America being described as an empire. Prior to 9-11 there is nothing in US myth making or its court histories that rudely smacks of US imperialism. The American Zeitgeist is decidedly anti-imperialist and political factions that push imperialism in the US end up defunct as the High Federalists did in 1800, and as dead as the next imperial moment shortly after the Spanish/American War. That's also one major reason among many why Neocons are banished into the wilderness and their name a bad word. The internationalism of realists and progressives is often mistaken for imperialism by people who are too gilded by their ideologies, biases and nativism. Such usually mistake the processes of convergence into international institutions and conventions as markers of imperialism, loss of US sovereignty or the end of the republic. What we have in Obama is an alliance between realists and progressives who are reasserting the multi-internationalist posture of the US. Whether they succeed in this is altogether another question. 8 years of the most diseased US presidency in American history has wrought great systemic damage only now being appreciated and much as yet unknown.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/05/the-neoconservative-network-still-unreported.html/comment-page-1#comment-81432 RowanBerkeley Mon, 18 May 2009 14:46:36 +0000 http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/05/18/the-neoconservative-network-still-unreported.html#comment-81432 um, "your country's image in the world" was already that of a would-be global dictatorship. Zionism just made it into a maudlin one. um, "your country's image in the world" was already that of a would-be global dictatorship. Zionism just made it into a maudlin one.

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