Comments on: my nagging question since Gaza

By: PlanetMichelle

PlanetMichelle — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:54:13 +0000

that said….now what? We've had a 9/11 and I won't say who I think did that because generally people tend to get freaked out for some reason, it just HAS to be some phantom Arab, but I will say that it sure as hell wasn't any "al-Qaeda"…our people, our nation is being wiped out ever since, Palestine is down to a grain of sand and all the rest of the atrocities committed since. Our leader is powerless against the Zionists….well hell I think they've won already unless there is still time for us people to pick up the sticks and stones and head for the castle door?

By: PlanetMichelle

PlanetMichelle — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:34:52 +0000

RE: wouldn't the biggest power move/gamechanger be for Hamas to accept Israel's right to exist, and then fully initiate a civil-rights struggle? What Israel, within what borders, is involved? Is it the 55 percent of historical Palestine recommended for a Jewish state by the UN General Assembly in 1947? The 78 percent of historical Palestine occupied by the Zionist movement in 1948 and now viewed by most of the world as "Israel" or "Israel proper"? The 100 percent of historical Palestine occupied by Israel since June 1967 and shown as "Israel" (without any "Green Line") on maps in Israeli schoolbooks? Israel deliberately never defines it's borders. Then there is a big difference between "recognizing Israel's existence" and "recognizing Israel's right to exist." The difference is in the same league as the difference between asking a Jew to acknowledge that the Holocaust happened and asking him to concede that the Holocaust was morally justified. Diabolical Israel knows what it's asking, and always makes peace impossible. If the Palestinians even went that far Israel would find something else. Israel intends to take Palestine. End of story.

By: PlanetMichelle

PlanetMichelle — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:32:40 +0000

amen to that MRW.

By: Eurosabra

Eurosabra — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:03:49 +0000

So of course Israel has no need to recognize Palestine as an Islamic state, up to and including the overthrow of its government and annexation of the land when the temporary recognition of Israel is withdrawn and the Jihad is renewed. So, really, Palestinian recognition of ANY Israel and any permanent peace is impossible under a Hamas government, which you recognize. And Oslo reveals that any Palestinian agreement not to try to change the character of Israel through violence is untrustworthy at best. I realize that you may not know that certain Israeli-Arab parties are on Hamas/Jihad's hit-list and may not look forward to being handed over to Hamas/Jihad, but the "Jewishness" of the state is not the issue there either.

By: seham

seham — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:05:28 +0000

Ibish, Your are a joke and you know it. You are considered a joke in the West Bank, in Gaza, in Jerusalem. You don't represent the Palestinian people or their cause, you only represent your circle of traitors and collaborators. As far as telling me that I "love you" … what a silly and sexist response from a silly and sexist man. I would expect more from someone who fancies himself a spokesman for the Palestinian people or cause, but I don't think much can be expected from someone who keeps the type of company that you keep. Why don't you tell us more about your special relationship with Mohammad Dahlan? When is the last time one of your friends set a book store, music store or beauty salon on fire in Gazzeh?

By: Hussein Ibish

Hussein Ibish — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:26:25 +0000

My God, I think she's in love with me! it's touching to have someone care so much. And hilarious to see someone believe everything they read on the Internet.

By: Hussein Ibish

Hussein Ibish — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:24:34 +0000

Of course, and that is my point precisely – the only way for Hamas to appeal to Palestinians beyond their core religious-right constituency is to outbid the PLO on national matters and draw a stark contrast between their agenda of unyielding confrontation with Israel versus the PLO strategy of negotiating with Israel. Their religious and social conservatism on its own is not a path to power among most Palestinians, so that agenda has to be yoked to stridency on Palestinian nationalism. This means that Hamas cannot seriously consider recognizing Israel's right to exist, because then Palestinians would have to choose between a secular organization and an Islamist organization pursuing the same goal, and there is no way under such circumstances is that Islamists would prevail.

By: ThorsProvoni

ThorsProvoni — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:24:41 +0000

I am not sure that Phil's systematic misunderstanding of Zionism (or yours for that matter) is any worse or more problematic in terms of discussing ME issues than any misunderstanding Phil might have of Hamas. [I have some discussions on my blog about ethnic fundamentalism and ethnic monism, but my response to Makdisi's last LA Times column explains a lot about Zionist beliefs in simpler terms: Makdisi Overlooks US Journalistic Nazification.] In any case, before racist Eastern Europeans stole the larger chunk of Palestine in 1947-8, the second most important industry among Palestinians was hospitality. Palestinian Islam then as now is nothing if not pragmatic. Generally, I have the impression that the Turkish AK party wishes to act as an Islamic Democratic Party rather as Merkel's Christian Democratic Party functions in Germany. A similar development is certainly possible in the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, which has strong affiliation with Gaza Hamas. Yet I am not sure that it is necessary for such development to occur for the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas to accept democratic and civil rights principles on the basis of arguments made completely from within Islamic intellectual traditions, and a lot of the secular Arab scaremongering against Hamas has the appearance of a form of class bigotry.

By: samisdat

samisdat — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:28:57 +0000

And the American MSM is ruled by Zionists. Americans are kept ignorant. Congress is a whore to Zionists. Obama cannot stop this because the American MSM won't tell the public what has and is happening.

By: flickchick

flickchick — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:19:23 +0000

But chosen by God? If so, more than human by privilege? Or duty? Either way, not your average human, right? Anyway, I've been watching USA TV for many decades and I conclude from the media that Jews are always good and decent human beings, never anything else. When I go to the movies, it's the same picture. Why does this picture seem more than human? Look at how other groups get represented. Can I not believe my eyes?