Joseph Dana discusses ‘Feeling the Hate in Jerusalem’ on Tampa NPR

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Joseph Dana, who blogs at Ibn Ezra and is the co-creator of the Feeling the Hate In Jerusalem on Eve of Obama's Cairo Address video with Max Blumenthal, was interviewed by Tampa NPR station WMNF. Joseph discusses the background on the video, what he thinks it says about the Israeli Jewish, and American Jewish, communities and his important work with the Israeli organization Ta'ayush. The interview begins at 40:30.

178 Responses

  1. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 7, 2009, 6:49 pm

    Free flow of ideas? Spoken like a true Nazi. I notice that you don' t include any of my FACTUAL ARGUMENTS in your "free flow of ideas". This is why I have decided that debating with close-minded bigots like you is a waste of time. At least I have revealed you for what you are!

  2. Shirin
    June 7, 2009, 6:51 pm

    A desire does not constitute an entitlement.

  3. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 7, 2009, 6:52 pm

    Wish I could email you… there WERE NO IDF SNIPERS shooting mothers. Period. There were ACCUSATIONS of such but there was NO PROOF at all – no orders, no confessions, no eye-witnesses. More slander – or do you have soime reliable proof and sources????

  4. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 7, 2009, 6:55 pm

    ethnic cleansing? massacres? You talk of lies and denials. Do you have ANY references to your slanderous lies????? ANYTHING?

  5. Shirin
    June 7, 2009, 6:55 pm

    "By ignoring three thousand years of Jewish history, by neglecting to even mention the unbreakable link, started long before the advent of Islam, between the Jewish people and Eretz Yisrael, Obama totally failed to deliver what should have been one of his most important messages to the Arab world." How exactly would sending this message to the Arab world in a speech intended to begin to build better relations have been a good idea? And isn't it just possible that Obama, being a lawyer, understands very well that an "unbreakable link" does not constitute an entitlement morally, and certainly legally?

  6. Shirin
    June 7, 2009, 6:58 pm

    They weren't all drunk. The idiot "political science major" who didn't know who Benjamin Netanyahu is was not drinking alcohol.

  7. Citizen
    June 7, 2009, 7:05 pm

    What Jews are you talking about that are ignorant of those depicted in the video? I've never met one, though they don't usually talk about it to gentiles. What do you mean by the video persuading Jews to hide away? Is this part 2 of of Don't show Jewish dirty laundry in public? You must that's getting a bit harder with the new regime in Israel coupled with Obama's stance in Cairo. Do you think "party all night" is all that was represented by the video? The views of the party kids directly affects Torah principles, even if those kids never read a Torah word. What they said in the video echoes many likud zionist views of the Torah and its meaning. The sand in the bag is shown by the video, the sand thrown to the wind is thrown to you Witty; you have not measured up.

  8. lovelyisraelis
    June 7, 2009, 7:07 pm

    Is this a joke, jake? Even by your standards, it's idiotic.

  9. Shirin
    June 7, 2009, 7:17 pm

    Might that be because you never make any FACTUAL ARGUMENTS?

  10. Shirin
    June 7, 2009, 7:21 pm

    And you clearly know nothing about the real world of fact-based, logical thinking. What you have presented here is nothing but speculation without a single thing to back it up except your extremely self-serving interpretation of carefully selected bits and pieces of information.

  11. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 7, 2009, 8:06 pm

    So what's your excuse? You can't read English? I have posted fact after fact – and, boy, it bugs the heck out of you. You are a waste of time. Which is why there is no point in continuing debate with you and your ilk…

  12. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 7, 2009, 8:08 pm

    Once again, all you have is allegations. Not a single fact or any verifiable report. Antisemitic sites like Mondo are happy to host you. I'll leave you behind here to enjoy your hate..

  13. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 7, 2009, 8:10 pm

    Lookup the dates and positions of President Nasser (who started the Six Day War). Lookup the Pentagon and State Dept statements on the Liberty. Lookup what Congress has said about it (and not said!). There are loads of facts out there… Use your brains and you can reach some logical conclusions. Of course, perhaps you have no brains. Or, perhaps you simply want to bash Israel and damn the facts. What is it, then?

  14. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 7, 2009, 8:11 pm

    "Citizen" proves my point abundantly well. Thanks!!!!

  15. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 7, 2009, 8:15 pm

    OK. Deal. There is a problem, though. If JEWS want to travel in the West Bank, they generally need ARMORED VEHICLES. This includes family cars and school buses. IF ARABS travel there, they travel as any normal people do. Who, then, is in danger there??? Oh, if there WAS ethnic cleansing there, who would I tell it to? The skeletons? How about the JEWS who were MASSACRED in the JEWISH TOWN of HEBRON in the 1920's? Who did that ethnic cleansing? How about the JEWS of GUSH ETZION? Also massacred by Arabs in the 20thcentury. How about the Jews of Jerusalem, m assacred in the ethnically cleansed Jerusalem held by Jordan? Bigot. YOu really don't like facts, do you? Bigots never do.

  16. lovelyisraelis
    June 7, 2009, 8:26 pm

    rowan…thanks! I missed this but I'm gonna read it right now!

  17. lovelyisraelis
    June 7, 2009, 8:35 pm

    Shalom, jake. You take care, now! oh…and stay out of the library! We wouldn't want you bumping into a shelf of history books on Israel's massacres and ethnic cleansings.

  18. andrew r
    June 7, 2009, 9:21 pm

    Interesting. Not useful for opposing Zionism, tho'.

  19. RichardWitty
    June 7, 2009, 10:21 pm

    Libraries, study, inquiry. A wonderful suggestion. Find the truth, have compassion on the other.

  20. LeaNder22
    June 7, 2009, 10:36 pm

    a Leslie ?? Would a Jewish wife let you? You'll never know. Maybe the one you'd chosen or the one that did choose you? North Shore Synagogue plus Hammond A-100 sounds like Reform. ***************************************************************************************************** But no, it's not about expanded or none expanded replies. Many other witnessed this. The numbers are correct but you can only see a few, OCCASIONALLY. They come and go. I use the latest firefox. I only switch to Explorer 8, if I have to. After a while you get used to all your add-ons. I simply miss them on Explorer. Plus booksmarks and settings. Interestingly somebody else reported he used the latest Firefox and it works absolutely fine. *****************************************************

  21. andrew r
    June 8, 2009, 12:00 am

    Nobody ever complains about all the land Anglo-Saxons have. 2/3 of the North American continent. The Middle East could fit in that a few times over. Why don't we transport the wailing wall to New Jersey, brick by brick, and give that to the Zionists.

  22. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 1:15 am

    I use the latest FireFox, and it does not work fine.

  23. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 1:17 am

    Richard Witty, how nice of you to suggest that the Palestinians have compassion on their tormentors.

  24. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 1:31 am

    Oh, bullshit. There are Jews working and even LIVING in the West Bank now and have been for decades, in Ramallah, in Nablus, and in towns and villages all over the West Bank, and they do not travel in armoured vehicles, and they interact with their neighbors, and they go shopping, and they live there in peace and without fear, except of the Israeli military. And mentioning the handful of isolated terrible incidents in which Jews were massacred does not make your case. On the contrary, the fact that you can only come up with three such incidents serves to show how rare such things were over the centuries that Jews and Muslims and Christians lived together in Palestine. The people who committed the massacre in Hebron were not Hebron residents, but were outsiders. Many of the Jews of Hebron were protected and rescued by their non-Jewish Palestinian (not all Palestinians are Arabs) neighbors and colleagues. I can provide specific accounts in the words of the Jews themselves, if you like. And the Jews of Jerusalem were not massacred. On the contrary, by their own accounts and those of numerous third party witnesses, they were peaceably escorted by the Jordanian military, who protected them from harm, helped them to carry their belongings, and in some cases carried children, and even elderly or infirm adults over the difficult terrain. Please let me know if you would like specific citations and I will be happy to provide them. And Palestinians (not Arabs, not all Palestinians are Arabs) most certainly do NOT travel in the West Bank as normal people do, as even George W. Bush was forced to admit when he spent a short time there.

  25. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 1:33 am

    Actually, most of what you have posted is the precise antithesis of fact, which explains why you have never once backed up anything with any kind of evidence or reference.

  26. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 1:36 am

    LOOOOOOL! I know! YOU are playing the game of opposite. By the involved Israeli government and military officials' own admission Israel, not President Nasser, started the 1967 war.

  27. lovelyisraelis
    June 8, 2009, 2:05 am

    Shirin Witty, in his impressive perspicacity, has hit on the solution to the conflict. If the Palestinians would just quit being resentful about having their lives demolished and their citizens rounded up and thrown into Israel's dungeons and torture chambers, we could have peace.

  28. LeaNder22
    June 8, 2009, 4:04 am

    Yes … but thanks. I now even realize I committed a rape above. It kills the rhythm. The "n" somehow sticks in my throat, right-angled, crosswise.

  29. LeaNder22
    June 8, 2009, 5:05 am

    'Jew-hating Right Wing Nazis' or 'Jew-hating Left Wing terrorist apologists'? " Didn't you have exactly that impression when you read the first comment section? And now you leave with this standard well intact? So your short visit here was some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy? Yes some here are more on the right, some more center, some on the left, some I agree have problems to control their emotions, some are insensitive with language, some have a strong attraction to simplistic antisemitic lines of thought. Some simply vent their anger and frustration. But we had times too when–what you would probably have considered–righteous counter forces fought interestingly even the more rare but highly intelligent posters here with their own distinct patterns of prejudice. I am assuming they had the same basic rule in their minds. Sometimes a meme accepted as a standard can blind to the reality. Losers all of them left or right, was a standard that struck me most. And of course antisemites all of us. Over times it feels as if this collective voice has developed a capability for self-purification. That doesn't mean that clashes won't occur in the future. That's nothing especially new either with a right-left spectrum involved. Wasn't it you that was censored recently? I missed whatever it was. That's rare here. Only our dear Bill Pearlman/Sword of Gideon comes to mind with his sexist slurs.

  30. LeaNder22
    June 8, 2009, 5:37 am

    I don't like the use of ethnic cleansing either, but what would you suggest to describe what happens in the West Bank? I guess Colin would be open to a sensible suggestion. I heard this argument very often before. Do you remember the Israeli military study on the country used for settlements? Look under ordinary conditions, your argument would be valid. But above you somehow equate the Palestinians fight against their dispossession–how much of their country disappeared behind the wall, how much of it was simply disappropriated–with the Nazi cry for Judenrein Germany. They need hours, days to move the distance that takes you an hour on the "Arabrein" streets. You can't compare this. You only need to turn them into Nazis. The Nazis took the Jews possessions, and forced them out of the country, willingly supported them initially to train for Palestine, and finally killed them, do the Palestinians take Jewish possession and land, where are their concentration camps, their gas chambers for "the Jews"?

  31. LeaNder22
    June 8, 2009, 5:44 am

    Israel is the Good Guy in this argument Only? No shades of gray? Simply black and white. That was Bush's credo. I join the ladies. Good bye.

  32. RowanBerkeley
    June 8, 2009, 9:52 am

    I have experienced all of the above, plus I still get "connection interrupted" about two days out of every five. However, more sinister is the fact that every time I try to reference Chabad Rabbi Manis Friedman's recent remarks in Moment Magazine, to the effect that "killing their men, women, children (and cattle)" is "Torah values", my comment disappears completely and permanently. Just to make sure this is no fluke, I have tried it several times.

  33. RowanBerkeley
    June 8, 2009, 9:55 am

    Don't let the door slam your ass on the way out, Jake.

  34. hecuba
    June 8, 2009, 11:22 am

    Judaism is a religion. Jews have about as much claim to Israel than I have as a Lutheran to Wittenberg in Germany.

  35. Yoni C
    June 8, 2009, 11:58 am

    SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO POST THIS? UNTIL YOU GET 2 PEOPLE TO COME?.

  36. Yoni C
    June 8, 2009, 12:02 pm

    haha, and it was totally unprovoked, you GOON

  37. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 8, 2009, 12:14 pm

    I really don't have time for ignorantsia like you. Shirin: "There are Jews … LIVING in the West Bank now and have been for decades, in Ramallah, in Nablus…" Ramallah and Nablus are Area A, part of the Pal Authority. Jews are not allowed in there by both Israeli law and Pal law; Israel doesn't want to have to go rescue them and the Arabs are bloodthirsty brutes – as they have been for centuries. In fact, when Jews have gotten lost and driven in to such places by accident, they tend to get lynched by a bloodthirsty mob. This has happened a few times in recent years. And Jews have not lived in Ramallah or Nablus for a great many years. Shirin: "they do not travel in armoured vehicles" Pity you can't see the bus I ride in. I bet you have never seen a bullet-proof bus anywhere else, eh?

  38. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 8, 2009, 12:14 pm

    Shirin: "the handful of isolated terrible incidents in which Jews were massacred " There have been many HUNDREDS of terrorist attacks, many/most of them deadly JUST SINCE THE PALS SIGNED A PEACE TREATY WITH ISRAEL. You seem to be (willfully?) ignorant of the realities here. Don't you read anything besides MondoBull? Shirin: "The people who committed the massacre in Hebron were not Hebron residents, but were outsiders" Yes, they came from Mars… You are re-writing history… Shirin: "And the Jews of Jerusalem were not massacred" More lies. They were buried temporarily inside the walls of the Old City until the survivors and the dead could be removed from the Old City. Want me to take you to the temporary grave site? You are so ignorant… Your comment is so full of untruths, it just fits PERFECTLY into MondoBull. Bigot. Ignorant bigot.

  39. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 8, 2009, 12:17 pm

    You, too, are blabbering in ignorance. I see (and smell!) Arabs in EVERY Jewish neighborhood in Jerusalem. Arabs travel FREELY in every part of Israel. There ARE NO Arabrein (sic) streets in Israel. Perhaps you should ask your MondoReporters if they saw ANY ARabs in places like Tel Aviv.. (I think they already posted that they had). The level of sheer ignorance in this site is quite stunning.

  40. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 8, 2009, 12:18 pm

    One party rapes. The other gets raped. LeaNder22 wants to see a shade of gray. You know, this is the traditional Islamic view of rape – it had to be the woman's fault. You betray yourself again…

  41. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 8, 2009, 12:21 pm

    I dare you to find a dungeon or torture chamber in Israel. On the other hand, I dare you to find Gilad Shalit in Gaza. MondoLies went to Gaza and said nary a word about the ILLEGAL kidnapping and incarceration of Gilad Shalit in your so very precious Hamastan. Where are the Human Rights concerns????? Bigots.

  42. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 8, 2009, 12:23 pm

    All readily available – Internet, Library, Press, Print. The problem with YOU is that when something IS spelled out to you in plain English, you still howl about the Jews. You are not only a bigot, you are an ignorant bigot.

  43. RowanBerkeley
    June 8, 2009, 12:47 pm

    Hammond organ with Leslie amp — classy.

  44. LeaNder22
    June 8, 2009, 4:10 pm

    Look, I wasn't alluding to Arab Israelis as you can see from the context Arab Israelis versus Oriential Jews: ” target=”_blank”>http://books.google.de/books?id=4CNVmZIen3AC&… I was alluding to Palestinians. Why should there be an army study concerning the land Israeli's built on inside the 1967 borders, to make the area more clear in this context? I assume terminology gets difficult here, since all of Judea and Samaria is Israel for you too? Ditto, obviously there are settler's only streets in "Judea and Samaria", if you like. Will you deny? You talk about the Nazi's "Judenrein" but ignore the Israeli's "Arabrein security". Call it "Palestinian-rein" if you prefer, but that would give them a right to exist, maybe even to the land, right? So what term one has to use to avoid your rhetorical games? You have only caught my attention since I saw you were censored. Which is rare here. Now I realize, your comment must have been stark racist to get that treatment. The more I hear it from people like you, the less I worry about being called an antisemite. I noticed this dynamic before. Besides, I don't need anybody to tell me, what I know or do not know. It's ridiculous to even try it. As I don't really have time. Good bye.

  45. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 8:16 pm

    If it is so available, let's see you present some sources for a change. So far you haven't given us a single one. All you have given us is a collection clearly contra factual assertions.

  46. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 8:39 pm

    Jake, I am very surprised to learn that Jews are barred from Area A by Israeli and PA law. Would you be kind enough to provide a source for this? When did these laws go into force, and how are they enforced? What penalty does the PA impose for a Jew going into Area A? And what penalty does Israel impose for breaking its law against a Jew entering Area A? Does it apply this penalty to all Jews, or only to Jews who are citizens of Israel? I am very concerned for my Jewish friends now living in Area A, some of whom are Israelis, and would like to let them know that they are breaking both PA as well as Israeli law.

  47. andrew r
    June 8, 2009, 8:42 pm

    Norman Finkelstein has lived in the West Bank for months, and I once read about an American Jew attending Bir Zeit. I don't know if Hedy Epstein lived there but she sure went there.

  48. andrew r
    June 8, 2009, 8:43 pm

    I'll give you this much. Your signature accurately represents yourself.

  49. andrew r
    June 8, 2009, 8:46 pm

    I'll go ahead an link Yaacov Lozowick's brillaint damage control on your mudslinging because he's a bit more clever than the usual, "they're just drunk." He ignores the central point that these American Jews are either going to make Israeli soldiers or shill for Israel in their working lives, yet he writes them off as tourists. ” target=”_blank”>http://yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com/2009/06/mondow…

  50. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 8:47 pm

    Jake, are you lying, or do you really believe your own nonsense?

  51. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 8:48 pm

    "I don't like the use of ethnic cleansing either" Why not? It is by definition what is going on, so why not use the correct word?

  52. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 8:50 pm

    Palestinian citizens of Israel do not wish to be called "Arab Israelis".

  53. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 8:52 pm

    So, you admit that it was Israel that started the war. Good on you, mate! That's a good start.

  54. Shirin
    June 8, 2009, 9:00 pm

    Yes, Judaism is a religion, but collectively Jews have more than religion in common. They have shared history, shared collective mythologies, and shared cultures (Ashkenazi and Mizrahi cultures are quite different, really, thus the plural), shared ethnology, and so on. None of that gives them a claim to take over Palestine, ethnically cleanse it and turn it into an ethnocracy.

  55. RowanBerkeley
    June 9, 2009, 6:50 am

    The idea of being personally harrassed via email by people who deny widely reported news stories is not exactly attractive.

  56. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 9, 2009, 8:44 am

    Rowan, you are the type of sociopath who hides in a filthy hole and rails against the world. All of your comments indicate this. Never a fact or a logical argument… The facts remain: ALL of the accusations against Israeli soldiers made in the earlier posting are WITHOUT FOUNDATION and you all have FAILED To bring any credible evidence to support your slander. Typical.

  57. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 9, 2009, 8:46 am

    Have you looked up any of the PUBLIC facts on the Liberty incident? I challenged you to do this earlier. Very easy to do, even. Or are you just repeating your hate-the-Jews-speech?

  58. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 9, 2009, 8:53 am

    These restrictions are part of the "Oslo Peace Process" agreements. The IDF and the PA both usually monitor their repsective roadblocks. The PA generally arrests Jews who enter Area A and returns them to Israel. Sometimes, mobs including PA "security officers" lynch these errant Jews. There have been a number of well-publicized cases of this.

  59. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 9, 2009, 9:48 am

    I invite you to come see for yourself. Shirin is a flat-earther who REFUSES to believe that the planet might actually be round… If you dont' believe me, go re-read Shirin's previous postings.

  60. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 9, 2009, 9:49 am

    Actually, they are free to renounce citizenship and become citizens of some Arab country or even the PA. Problem is that Arab countries don't want them – and they live much better as Israelis than they would elsewhere. :-)

  61. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 9, 2009, 9:52 am

    OK. The real danger comse from the direction of Arabs in "Palestine". Jews represent no real danger. Source: US State Dept. ” target=”_blank”>http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/t… Shirin, You really are the bigot you've always been…

  62. Shirin
    June 9, 2009, 2:06 pm

    Source, Jake, SOURCE. Not your word for it, a source – you know, the text of the law, or an article, or book, or something other than you saying so?

  63. Shirin
    June 9, 2009, 2:11 pm

    Andrew, some pretty high profile Jewish Israelis live or have lived in Area A for years and years. Ever hear of Amira Hass? She has lived in Ramallah for something like ten years now, and before that she lived in Gaza for seven years – she wrote a book about that. The PA knows it, the Israeli government knows it, and pretty much everyone in the West Bank and Gaza knows it. In fact, the apartment she lives in in Ramallah was inhabited before that by a Jewish-American film maker friend of mine and his Jewish-American wife. The neighbors jokingly call it "the Jews apartment" since for the last 15 years or so only Jews have lived in it. And this is just one example of Jews living in Area A.

  64. LeaNder22
    June 9, 2009, 4:28 pm

    Shirin, that I use the terminology doesn't mean I approve of it. It simply means I am recognizing it exists.

  65. andrew r
    June 9, 2009, 10:41 pm

    Sorry, my mind was slipping. I've invoked Amira Hass before, too!

  66. Shirin
    June 10, 2009, 4:02 am

    LOL! Is that all you've got? Pretty pathetic.

  67. Shirin
    June 10, 2009, 4:08 am

    There are Jews, some of them Israelis, living in Nablus and other cities, and in some of the villages, and of course Israeli and other Jews enter Area A regularly for a variety of reasons, from reporting on conditions there (Gideon Levy, for example, visits Area A on a very regular basis), to making documentary films, to providing assistance, to taking part in demonstrations, to assisting with the olive harvest, to visiting friends. They are welcomed by the Palestinians, and the only real danger they face there is from Israeli Occupation Forces and colonists.

  68. Shirin
    June 10, 2009, 4:09 am

    They do not wish to be called "Arab Israelis".

  69. Shirin
    June 10, 2009, 4:12 am

    I understand. I recognize it exists also, but I refuse to use it, just as I refuse to call colonies settlements or colonists settlers (actually, squatters is even a more accurate term), or resistance fighters insurgents, or a massacre a battle, or an invasion a liberation. That is my way of managing terminology. I don't like euphemisms, and I don't like propaganda terms.

  70. Shirin
    June 10, 2009, 4:14 am

    All of the facts I have seen on the Liberty incident are public facts.

  71. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 10, 2009, 1:51 pm

    Shirin, you are just a knee-jerk anti-Israel propagandist. I have studied the Liberty incident for years and heard the version of the story from LIberty sailors. The facts point CONCLUSIVELY to a US coverup. The US Congress CANNOT investigate this affair publicly because it would damn the USA (Congresspeople already know this). Do you have any idea, even, of who commanded the Liberty at the time it was spying on Israel? Any idea of the chain of command? If you did, you would realize that those Liberty sailors who were killed were abandoned by the White House for it's own reasons. And the Liberty sailors just want to get the truth out. Their problem, though, is that antisemitic bigots like you have hijacked their story – and some of the sailors have even gone along with this, just to get publicity for their spy mission story. You remain an ingnorant bigot, Shirin.

  72. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 10, 2009, 2:01 pm

    I happened to speak to a lawyer about it yesterday. It appears to be a military order and thus is enforced by the IDF on the Israeli side and the PA on the Pal side. PArt of Oslo. Kind of like Gaza becoming Judenrein. Also, because it is a military order, it is subject to change according to the current security-situation. Thus, Israeli Jews wanting to travel into Area A will be barred but Arabs who are Israeli citizens might be able to enter Area A. For more details, see the IDF office nearest you. :-)

  73. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 10, 2009, 2:05 pm

    What a misleading propagandist you are! Journalists VERY OFTEN travel into enemy territory. Like the MondoLiars who FOUGHT to get from Egypt into Gaza, they had to sign with their consulate to disclaim any right to consular support (or US Marine salvation) if they get kidnapped, beheaded, etc. As for "only real danger", consider this: Where do they ride in bullet-proof vehicles? In Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem or in Gaza and Ramallah? THEY are the ones getti8ng shot at – and they KNOW where the bullets are coming from. Arab snipers. Palestinean terrorist. Your buddies. You tried to reverse the facts. This is why you aera propogandist. Not a good one, obviously…

  74. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 10, 2009, 2:06 pm

    The more common term is actually "Israeli Arabs". So now they are happy…

  75. Jake in Jerusalem
    June 10, 2009, 2:09 pm

    Shirin, you are not only a pathetic liar, you are LAZY, TOO! I dare YOU to find some RELIABLE SOURCES to contradict my factual statements… How about asking at your local US Consulate or the US state dept for travel advisories in Pal Authority controlled areas. Gaza? I don't have to do your work for yu. Lazy bigot.

  76. Shirin
    June 10, 2009, 2:18 pm

    Oh no, Jake. That's not how it works. The person who makes the assertions is responsible for providing evidence to support them. So, get busy. Please start with your claim that there is a PA law forbidding Jews from entering Area A. I am eager to know more about this law and how it works. Please provide documentation for this law.

  77. Shirin
    June 10, 2009, 2:20 pm

    The known facts don't point to ANYTHING conclusively. What they do is invite a lot of questions that should be answered but are not.

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