Comments on: The Nakba is part of the Jewish narrative: Israelis deal with the trauma of 1948 as well

By: Citizen

Citizen — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:01:15 +0000

There was a tidal wave of Israeli and diaspora support for an imperial Israel after Israel won the '67 War so easily. The one-eyed Jewish hero originally wanted not to take and occupy and Gaza, nor all of Jerusalem–he knew that would lay down a future Achilles heel (especially the Palestinian refugees in Gaza, living earmarks of the original Nakba dispossession), but he was won over by the Greater Israelites in the the throes of his military success. Golda Meir, the American Jew, by her fantasy that arabs in the former Mandate were not really there, makes it hard to distinguish between Israel's lebensraum philosophy and any personal agenda of any fictional aggregate of Jews, the old narrative of just wanting to create a place where jews would not be separated from the land, but would be more like ideal communism's land workers, with the same values as ideal Nazi blood and soil settlers of the land, but with less obvious ethnic or race attributes. It's the difference in that respect with somebody who works by writing hedge funds, and one who works by growing potatoes.

By: PlanetMichelle

PlanetMichelle — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:15:22 +0000

The Palestinian Jews, Christians and Muslims were living side by side in harmony and fought together against the Zionist invaders. What is it any of your business anyway? Are you Arab?

By: Shafiq

Shafiq — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:25:08 +0000

I was being honest about what I thought. I did mention that I support Hamas' overtures to Obama and to peace but I do remain sceptical after hearing what Netanyahu had to say last week.

By: Laurie

Laurie — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:15:30 +0000

And who did the Japanese abuse after their trauma of being nuked – twice? And who have the Cambodians abused? Sorry, PTSD may be real for an individual but not for a country. The Israelis and their supporters will just have to think of a better excuse for their cruelty. Citizen, which Jewish leader do you credit with twisting Israel and Israel's supports for his own personal agenda?

By: Citizen

Citizen — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:44:10 +0000

LeaNder22 makes a good point. Since WW1 PTSD had been a phenomena recognized; on a larger plain it use to be called "shell shocked." I remember how Patton cuffed the whining Jewish American GI for hovering in the rear when there was a job to do, for being a wimp, to set an example to his troops–and how Patton was chastised, despite the tremendous value he had to the Allied cause. And American's point is well taken too. In a still larger sense, the average Germans of post WW1 were acting out of PTSD–cure themselves didn't happen; instead their situation was manipulated and we got the invasion of Poland. Doesn't work. The psychological concept of cycle of abuse is real; and it's true many who grew up in a situation like Manson did not turn out like Manson; but that ignores how the masses are manipulated by the powers at any particular time for the latter's personal aggregate agenda . Not to mention ideals are always subject to corruption, compartmentalization, I believe is the term. That amounts to ends justify means. Sort of like the torture debate?

By: Observer

Observer — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:29:55 +0000

Further, eddie's contribution is ten times worse, simply infantile.

By: Observer

Observer — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:27:50 +0000

I think Shafiq's comment and Thom's comment do a disservice to David F-Witty-Citizen-Witty comments above. The latter three's comments are honestly looking for a spiritual and realistic starting place for peace in the context of history affecting in turn the Jews and the Palestinians; Shafiq and Thom seem to be looking for a zero sum game, each on the opposing side.

By: Colin_Murray

Colin_Murray — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:52:07 +0000

I don't understand your problem. The Nakba did cause trauma to Jews who carried it out. Recognizing this doesn't in any way excuse their crimes or belittle the vastly greater suffering endured by their Palestinian victims. Selective objection to efforts to understand the past and present make me question the motives of the objector. One can not have too much validated data from which to try to understand reality. If you disagree with the validity of the data, that is one thing, but if you disagree with the very act of its collection and assessment, you are interested in something other than the truth.

By: eddie said

eddie said — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:48:54 +0000

lol, Palestinans discussions about peace are usually do i butcher men women and children in Israel or just in the Isralie settlements

By: eddie said

eddie said — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:46:54 +0000

Look who is talking to itself, lol go back to bed gramos – you seem a bit unhinged…