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	<title>Comments on: Zellnik: make 2 democratic states (and then dream about one state)</title>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You almost slipped one by us! TWO democratic states?  Who&#039;s going to ensure that?  Shortcomings aside, how many democratic states are there in the middle east (not counting Israel)? Now that Israel has withdrawn from Gaza, how is the democratic process functioning there?  Who will ensure democracy in the newly formed state in the west bank? Women&#039;s rights? Religious freedom?  Free elections?   Israel has a long way to go and much to improve.  But you obviously have no clue as to the extent democracy is valued and practiced among its citizens, Arab and Jew alike. And the political debate- something even Americans should envy.  People freely express their opinions, including those similar to yours. Try that in Rafiah or Hebron!  A Palestinian state will be created. But how it will look? Don&#039;t fool yourself.  Instead, try working on a way to create the first Arab Democracy!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You almost slipped one by us! TWO democratic states?  Who&#039;s going to ensure that?  Shortcomings aside, how many democratic states are there in the middle east (not counting Israel)? Now that Israel has withdrawn from Gaza, how is the democratic process functioning there?  Who will ensure democracy in the newly formed state in the west bank? Women&#039;s rights? Religious freedom?  Free elections?   Israel has a long way to go and much to improve.  But you obviously have no clue as to the extent democracy is valued and practiced among its citizens, Arab and Jew alike. And the political debate- something even Americans should envy.  People freely express their opinions, including those similar to yours. Try that in Rafiah or Hebron!  A Palestinian state will be created. But how it will look? Don&#039;t fool yourself.  Instead, try working on a way to create the first Arab Democracy!</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about social engineering! This is about as stupid as the zionists&#039; original idea. The situation in Palestine isn&#039;t going away, and some BS two-state solution propossed by a Jewish ideologue isn&#039;t my burden, no matter when or where it was proposed.     I understand that the Palestinians are the victims, and I would rather fund them than the Israelis and their supporters abroad, but I would rather see vibrant Jewish communities in Palestine than in the U.S., if the last 60+ years is any indication of what vibrant Jewish comunities do to a host nation.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about social engineering! This is about as stupid as the zionists&#039; original idea. The situation in Palestine isn&#039;t going away, and some BS two-state solution propossed by a Jewish ideologue isn&#039;t my burden, no matter when or where it was proposed.     I understand that the Palestinians are the victims, and I would rather fund them than the Israelis and their supporters abroad, but I would rather see vibrant Jewish communities in Palestine than in the U.S., if the last 60+ years is any indication of what vibrant Jewish comunities do to a host nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The plight of the Jews isn&#039;t my problem. Land, culture and demographic issues are becoming problems in the U.S. without taking on further responsibilities. I guess you are serious. Are you?    My take is that the people who have a need to see strong Jewish communities and the continuance of a vibrant Jewish culture aren&#039;t concerned about my community or whether or not my culture is extended into the future. I would bet that most would be hostile to my needs, wants or concerns. There is no reason for most Americans to support Israel or its fifth-column. Why sell Nevada when all we really have to do is cut Israel off, and do what is best for our own nation?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The plight of the Jews isn&#039;t my problem. Land, culture and demographic issues are becoming problems in the U.S. without taking on further responsibilities. I guess you are serious. Are you?    My take is that the people who have a need to see strong Jewish communities and the continuance of a vibrant Jewish culture aren&#039;t concerned about my community or whether or not my culture is extended into the future. I would bet that most would be hostile to my needs, wants or concerns. There is no reason for most Americans to support Israel or its fifth-column. Why sell Nevada when all we really have to do is cut Israel off, and do what is best for our own nation?</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put Citizen,    Israel elected twoi of it&#039;s former terrorist leaderst to the office of PM after all.    It&#039; so typica of the right wing and the Zionists.  They insist that history begins at a certain date, ignoring all that came before it.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put Citizen,    Israel elected twoi of it&#039;s former terrorist leaderst to the office of PM after all.    It&#039; so typica of the right wing and the Zionists.  They insist that history begins at a certain date, ignoring all that came before it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hamas has tried twice to form a unity government with Fatah.  The first time they tried it, Abbas was told by Washington to reverse course and launch a coup to overthrow Hamas.   A second round fo talks were due shortyl after Israel launched it&#039;s attack on Gaza.  A unity government is not something Israel wants, because dealing with a weak and isolated Fatah leadership is the best way to extract the best deal when it comes time to talk.    Hamas are not as easy to push around.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hamas has tried twice to form a unity government with Fatah.  The first time they tried it, Abbas was told by Washington to reverse course and launch a coup to overthrow Hamas.   A second round fo talks were due shortyl after Israel launched it&#039;s attack on Gaza.  A unity government is not something Israel wants, because dealing with a weak and isolated Fatah leadership is the best way to extract the best deal when it comes time to talk.    Hamas are not as easy to push around.</p>
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		<title>By: Freethedhimmi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freethedhimmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1097932.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1097932.html&lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1097932.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  Last update - 21:46 05/07/2009      Fayyad: Jews can be equal citizens in Palestinian state  By Haaretz Service  Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad on Saturday said that Jews would enjoy freedom and full civil rights in a future Palestinian state, according to a report in the Aspen Daily News.    &quot;Jews, to the extent they choose to stay and live in the state of Palestine, will enjoy those rights and certainly will not enjoy any less rights than Israeli Arabs enjoy now in the state of Israel,&quot; Fayyad said in response to a question from former CIA director James Woolsey at the Aspen Institute&#039;s Ideas Festival.       </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1097932.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1097932.html</a>  Last update &#8211; 21:46 05/07/2009      Fayyad: Jews can be equal citizens in Palestinian state  By Haaretz Service  Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad on Saturday said that Jews would enjoy freedom and full civil rights in a future Palestinian state, according to a report in the Aspen Daily News.    &quot;Jews, to the extent they choose to stay and live in the state of Palestine, will enjoy those rights and certainly will not enjoy any less rights than Israeli Arabs enjoy now in the state of Israel,&quot; Fayyad said in response to a question from former CIA director James Woolsey at the Aspen Institute&#039;s Ideas Festival.</p>
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		<title>By: backblow</title>
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		<dc:creator>backblow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 02:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What condition in which resolution - please be specific.    If you mean Article 11 of UN Resolution 194, then that is quite specific:    Article 11 reads:    Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.    It does not define any time limit on the return of refugees, it only requires them to live at peace with their neighbours once they do so.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What condition in which resolution &#8211; please be specific.    If you mean Article 11 of UN Resolution 194, then that is quite specific:    Article 11 reads:    Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.    It does not define any time limit on the return of refugees, it only requires them to live at peace with their neighbours once they do so.</p>
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		<title>By: PlanetMichelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>PlanetMichelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they had other  options in the first place but they chose to plop their fat asses on top of the Arabs. They are clever, they wanted to be right there to guard the goods they usurp. The idiots claim they were actually there in history and have some sort of connection. The same idiots who call the Semites of the land anti-Semitic. They know we are onto them but they have already gotten away with murder for too long, now they enjoy puffing their chests and daring us to do something about it. They wave to us from the White House! Right witty,  Jake and Ismail? You guys don&#039;t have to rebut all the obvious charges, just repeat the same old  lies that don&#039;t even make sense because you can, you enjoy it. It&#039;s a part of the flaunting.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they had other  options in the first place but they chose to plop their fat asses on top of the Arabs. They are clever, they wanted to be right there to guard the goods they usurp. The idiots claim they were actually there in history and have some sort of connection. The same idiots who call the Semites of the land anti-Semitic. They know we are onto them but they have already gotten away with murder for too long, now they enjoy puffing their chests and daring us to do something about it. They wave to us from the White House! Right witty,  Jake and Ismail? You guys don&#039;t have to rebut all the obvious charges, just repeat the same old  lies that don&#039;t even make sense because you can, you enjoy it. It&#039;s a part of the flaunting.</p>
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		<title>By: yonahred</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonahred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>faced with the necessity of survival of course other venues were considered.  kafka&#039;s bug is easily a metaphor for the jew as treated by the culture that twenty years after his death treated the jews like bugs.  the rhetoric is mudlike here.  repeat after me: mirror mirror on the wall, who&#039;s the fairest of them all.  and the mirror always agrees with you, thors and citizen, i&#039;m sure.  not an ounce of self doubt in your self love, praise the lord who created you.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>faced with the necessity of survival of course other venues were considered.  kafka&#039;s bug is easily a metaphor for the jew as treated by the culture that twenty years after his death treated the jews like bugs.  the rhetoric is mudlike here.  repeat after me: mirror mirror on the wall, who&#039;s the fairest of them all.  and the mirror always agrees with you, thors and citizen, i&#039;m sure.  not an ounce of self doubt in your self love, praise the lord who created you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kikeeesahy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kikeeesahy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The jews are our misfortune.&quot; Gives yet more meaning to that historical european saying, yes?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;The jews are our misfortune.&quot; Gives yet more meaning to that historical european saying, yes?</p>
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