Imagine if Hamas tried to set foot in the U.S. Capitol? Here's a disgraceful interview with NY Congressman Eliot Engel, who went out of his way to meet with Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman last month. Reporter Jason Horowitz notes that Sarkozy (Pres.-FR) avoided Lieberman at all costs but that Sens. Arlen Specter, Carl Levin, and Russell Feingold, who I believe has some childhood expansionist-Israel Jewish identification that prevents him thinking clearly on these matters, met with the racist Foreign Minister.
"If both sides are being pressured," Engel said he told Lieberman, "I have no problem talking about settlements."
…After the 15-minute meeting, [House Majority Leader Steny] Hoyer came into the room and Engel told
Lieberman that "out of all the members of Congress who are not Jewish,
he is the strongest on Israel."
"'Even among those who are Jewish,'" Hoyer joked, according to
Engel. Lieberman and his entourage of embassy staffers and his deputy
Danny Ayalon all laughed.
And the joke is on who?
Unlike Hamas Israel is not a terrorist organization, regardless of the cynical and ignorant comparison you are trying to make.
Let's see, Hamas is a terrorist organization that butcher's Israeli civillians whenever it can (while providing "ssocial services" to Palestinians) and Avigdor Lieberman is the foriegn minister of the State of Israel who thinks Jews shouldn't be ethnically cleansed from Judea & Samria or roll over and die, despite the wet dreams of the Islamist crowd. . Guess that explains why people talk to Lieberman and not Hamas.
Your argument is nearly as strong as your grammar!
Your counterargument is as weak as my grammer, lol
Phil, don't break my heart about Russ Feingold, he is a pretty decent guy opposed the Patriot Act and Iraq War–was behind the reconstruction of Lebanon after 2006. The link to the article is a little unclear if all of them met with Lieberman seems Engel had a private tete a tete with him. Diane
Phil always seeks to stretch a little to eek out an anti-Israel angle to any scrap of news, no matter how twisted or distorted….it's a living, lol, – i.e. enough people in the anti-Israel lobby who will pay one to shill this propaganda – especially if you have a surname like Weiss, Horowitz, Berkowitz etc…
http://www2.amnesty.se/hem.nsf/bff137f2c2999028c1... "Amnesty International on Thursday accused Israeli forces of war crimes, saying they used children as human shields and conducted wanton attacks on civilians during their offensive in the Gaza Strip. The London-based human rights group also accused Hamas of war crimes, but said it found no evidence that the Islamist rulers of Gaza used civilians as human shields during the 22-day offensive Israel launched on December 28." The report: http://www2.amnesty.se/hem.nsf/bff137f2c2999028c1...
Let's see, Israel is a terrorist State founded through ethnic cleansing, rape, murder, land theft and lies, that butcher's Palestinian civilians at a ratio of 5 to 1 and Palestinian children at a ratio of 10 to 1 whenever it wants (while pretending to be the victim and crying antisemitism) and Avigdor Lieberman is the foreign minister of the State of Israel who thinks Palestinians should either swear loyalty to the Jewish State or be thrown into a meat grinder and/or ethnically cleansed from what's left of Historic Palestine, despite international law/the 1979 State Dept. memo stating that the occupation violates the Geneva conventions/Theodor Meron, then legal adviser to the Israeli leadership back during the 67' war who stated the Occupation would be illegal, and opinion he holds today still/the ICJ and World court rulings/countless UN resolutions/common sense and basic human dignity. Guess that explains why people talk to Lieberman (an ally of the Western States and ruling elites) and not Hamas.
OK,Ok already "kelly"– enough weak hasbara wing flapping already
But Strahl, hold on a minute, Kelly, the thirteen year old brainwashed pimple face who uses apostrophes before the "s" on a third person simple present tense verb, says that Amnesty International, B'Tselem, and all the other human rights groups are ANTI-SEMITES!!! What?? You say B'Teselem is an Israeli human rights group? Oh, well, she'll have to check the hasbara playbook daddy gave her to see how to answer this question. She thinks the strategy has to do with "self hate". PM
And you think Weiss is as Jewish a name as is Horowitz?. I know both non-Jews and Jews with that name. Berkowitz seems to go back to the first name Berke, another frequent pattern in family names Jewish and non-Jewish. Weiss simply means originally someone very fair or white=weiss. It is a rather frequent German name too. Horowitz is one of the names that signify origin, the place people come from. A rather frequent pattern in family names too. In this case someone came from Horovice (Horowitz) in Bohemia. Now true, there must have been Jews among the people choosing that name, but again the place of origin is a pretty frequent feature in family names not only Jewish but e.g. German family names too. What I find irritating that the Nazis tried to create a myth about typical Jewish names (the history of this is a bit more complex but still), and failed, but pray tell me why are you so enamored with it?
Typical progressive trick. The fake quote. Maybe I'm missing something, but where does Kelly mention Amnesty International, B'Tselem etc? Did she say somewhere that they were anti Semites?
ok, ok "corrie" enough failed lip-flapping & muzzling attempts at those who you disagree with — this isn't Gaza – luckily, so women and non-Islamists can't be silenced by you
babble, babble — sure, ok, , Weiss, Horowits and Berkowitz are not Jewish names, lol — happy now??
Abbas: Hamas Hoarding Weapons in Plot to Assassinate PA Officials – Ali Waked The Palestinian Authority has intelligence indicating Hamas is planning to attack its officials, PA leader Mahmoud Abbas said on Wednesday. Abbas told Russian television: "We have verified information that Hamas is hoarding weapons and explosives. The Authority has found two tons of explosives belonging to Hamas." He said Hamas was also amassing light, medium and heavy arms, machine guns, RPG launchers, and presidential guard uniforms. "We know there is a cell seeking to carry out assassinations of senior PA officials." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3740121...
Liar. Serial liar. Israel has never precticed any level of ethnic cleansing. Arabs have, against Jews and others, and still do. Israelis NEVER rape Arabs. One Leftist researcher who discovered this even suggested that this is because Israelis are racists. (Leftist "academia" never ceases to bring humor.) Arabs rape Jews whenever they can – and Arabs rape each other frequently. Arab men LOVE Arab boys. Ask around in private in Arab circles and see what you find out… Your repeating lies on MondoLies doesn't make them true – they just make you a bigot.
BTselem is most definitely not a "Human Rights Group". Btselem is a PALESTINEAN rights group, manned mostly by Israeli Jews. You know, MondoPeople. Btselem DELIBERATELY ignores HR violations and atrocities commited by "Palestineans", both against Jews and against Arabs. I heard the director of AI in Israel on Israel radio this morning. He is an Anarchist Leftist Israeli and leads a dishonest campaign against Israel. This detracts from AI reports severely.
Benny Morris has documented the mass rapes carried out by Israeli soldiers. And Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing – there would be no JEWISH majority if 800K Palestinian Arabs were not driven out of their homes and then refused the right of return. You're the liar. You have no sources to back up your comment. Go away.
Pathetic and predictable reply, Scum in Jerusalem. Too bad for you, that you can't disprove the countless studies and reports on Israel's vileness. You can only sling mud and spew idiotic straw mans.
An interview with Benny Morris, conducted in Haaretz. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?it... — Question: According to your findings, how many acts of Israeli massacre were perpetrated in 1948? Answer: "Twenty-four. In some cases four or five people were executed, in others the numbers were 70, 80, 100. There was also a great deal of arbitrary killing. Two old men are spotted walking in a field – they are shot. A woman is found in an abandoned village – she is shot. There are cases such as the village of Dawayima [in the Hebron region], in which a column entered the village with all guns blazing and killed anything that moved. "The worst cases were Saliha (70-80 killed), Deir Yassin (100-110), Lod (250), Dawayima (hundreds) and perhaps Abu Shusha (70). There is no unequivocal proof of a large-scale massacre at Tantura, but war crimes were perpetrated there. At Jaffa there was a massacre about which nothing had been known until now. The same at Arab al Muwassi, in the north. About half of the acts of massacre were part of Operation Hiram [in the north, in October 1948]: at Safsaf, Saliha, Jish, Eilaboun, Arab al Muwasi, Deir al Asad, Majdal Krum, Sasa. In Operation Hiram there was a unusually high concentration of executions of people against a wall or next to a well in an orderly fashion. "That can't be chance. It's a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres." — Question: What you are telling me here, as though by the way, is that in Operation Hiram there was a comprehensive and explicit expulsion order. Is that right? Answer: "Yes. One of the revelations in the book is that on October 31, 1948, the commander of the Northern Front, Moshe Carmel, issued an order in writing to his units to expedite the removal of the Arab population. Carmel took this action immediately after a visit by Ben-Gurion to the Northern Command in Nazareth. There is no doubt in my mind that this order originated with Ben-Gurion. Just as the expulsion order for the city of Lod, which was signed by Yitzhak Rabin, was issued immediately after Ben-Gurion visited the headquarters of Operation Dani [July 1948]." Question: Are you saying that Ben-Gurion was personally responsible for a deliberate and systematic policy of mass expulsion? Answer: "From April 1948, Ben-Gurion is projecting a message of transfer. There is no explicit order of his in writing, there is no orderly comprehensive policy, but there is an atmosphere of [population] transfer. The transfer idea is in the air. The entire leadership understands that this is the idea. The officer corps understands what is required of them. Under Ben-Gurion, a consensus of transfer is created." — Question: According to your new findings, how many cases of Israeli rape were there in 1948? Answer: "About a dozen. In Acre four soldiers raped a girl and murdered her and her father. In Jaffa, soldiers of the Kiryati Brigade raped one girl and tried to rape several more. At Hunin, which is in the Galilee, two girls were raped and then murdered. There were one or two cases of rape at Tantura, south of Haifa. There was one case of rape at Qula, in the center of the country. At the village of Abu Shusha, near Kibbutz Gezer [in the Ramle area] there were four female prisoners, one of whom was raped a number of times. And there were other cases. Usually more than one soldier was involved. Usually there were one or two Palestinian girls. In a large proportion of the cases the event ended with murder. Because neither the victims nor the rapists liked to report these events, we have to assume that the dozen cases of rape that were reported, which I found, are not the whole story. They are just the tip of the iceberg." —
JUDEONAZI PROPAGANDA! THE RECORD SHOWS http://revcom.us/a/152/Nakba-en.html
hr 1955. harmon sponsored outrage. is anyone going to do anything about this? phil?
There's no explicit final solution order issued by Hitler either.
And you can't waltz into any Arab home and crap in the sink.
Roth is another such name. Oddly, it was always easy to tell whether they were goys or jews. But you wouldn't know about that, huh?
No. Americans think they are free: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/98127
Israeli agent Harmon's pet bill would set loose the thought police by criminalizing dissident speech, especially by muzzling the internet; if there ever was a revival of Orwellian language it is in the bill: http://allmediap.org/CJtv/thoughtCrimes1.htm
this is not in the press. what is wrong with people? why isn't phil writing about it? it is completely in his line. it is unbelievably scary and seems to be a play for the zionists to get a complete lock on our country. hate to be paranoid but it is staring us in the face.
tell me i am wrong , but isn't this bill sponsored by the adl ?
oh bullshit. You Zionists are very out of touch you know. These things are all document that anyone can get their hands on with no effort, it's not like the old days when Zionist propaganda ruled the day. You're out. The jig is up.
duh kelly, naturally colonizers don't think they should be ethnically cleansed from the territory they are coloinizing ….LOL Secondly since Hamas is defending the people who actually belong in Palestine against the people who obviously don't, this goes for Hizbolla too, they are not terrorists. The invader Zionists are terrorists. Murderers, rapists, baby killers, serial killers, degenerates. They need to be bug sprayed like the cockroaches they are.
Notice the sound of Jake's silence when confronted by facts. Apparently, Hasbarniks are allergic to them.
"Kelly" provides a great service to this blog. We get to see into the mind of a Liebermanite. No subtlety. No knowledge. All stereotyptical racism and appeal to simian instincts. He's everything that this blog is not.
Yes, the American puppet who is afraid to call for an election. I believe everything that Quisling Abbas says. If he really was president of the Palestinian people, he would call for elections now.
from Michael Massing's review of the original Mearsheimer-Walt paper in 2006:
whoa, whoa, whoa, jake — chillax. Israel is practicing ethnic cleansing right now in Gaza. Operation Kill Kids was all anout that. Now go ahead, what intelligent point were you making?
Kelly, stop with the hasbara, wouldja? The people on this site are far more enlightened and we don't put up with the apartheid in Gaza.
Well it doesn't really make sense to talk to you, does it? The Prussian King gave orders to his civil servants in the 19th century to make Jewish names recognizable. This was considered important due to emancipation, another stigma that was meant to tell people this "is a Jew". The civil servants mainly ignored it, since Jewish names basically weren't much different. In other words they couldn't do it. Not everybody's name is Cohn or Cohen. But if you like the ideas of Jewish names just like the Nazis, that's fine with me. I know some German Jews that feel pretty insulted by the idea.
Not in the slightest. I came back to see you hyper-active antisemites hard at work! 1) Benny Morris is thoroughly, I mean THOROUGHLY, unauthoritative. I'm not surprised that you qutoe him. Who else are you going to quote? 2) Even Morris' allegation of rape go back over 60 years. Wow. Considering that Arabs rape ROUTINELY, and that Arab rape of both women and men is a sign of honor and strength in Arab society, AND CONTINUES TODAY AND ALL THE TIME, BOTH INSIDE ISRAEL AND ELSEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE EAST, you merely prove (even if Morris is right) that Arabs rape like crazy and Israelis do not. 3) I love facts. This is why I post them here on MondoLies all the time. This is why you guys can't stand to hear from me. :-)
There are more Arabs in Gaza today than every before in history. What the hell kind of ethnic cleansing is that, eh???? Your allegations are simple ignorant, antisemitic bigotry. Par for the course at MondoLies.
All lies. Just like the others. See above.
On the contrary. I bring facts here all the time. It drives you nuts, huh? Punjabi.
Jake, you sicko, the Zionists chronicled the events their own selves by their own black hands. Anyway, here is an excellent source, http://www.wntube.net/play.php?vid=2038 it's short, fast and to the point. Jake better not watch it he will disintegrate stripped of his lies. The video does not specify rape but I have read the Zionist rapists own accounts, maybe I can find that later. Of about 144 houses, 10 were dynamited. The cemetery was later bulldozed and, like hundreds of other Palestinian villages to follow, Deir Yassin was wiped off the map. By September, Orthodox Jewish immigrants from Poland, Rumania, and Slovakia were settled. Today, in the most tasteless, despicable irony, the Israeli museum commemorating the European Jewish Holocaust, Yad Vashem, sits on top of a hill overlooking the graveyard of Deir Yassin, while the limestone buildings of the former Palestinian village are used for an Israeli mental institution. in Begin's words, "Deir Yassin was captured with the knowledge of the Haganah and with the approval of its commander" as a part of its "plan for establishing an airfield." Zionists have no morals so of course they raped the girls and women. It goes even without saying.
you are the antisemite. Arabs ARE the semites.
says Jake the antisemite.
It's funny how Zionist propagandists love to disown Benny Morris, who's work has been supported by other historian like Illan Pappe and Tom Segez as well as former Israeli foreign minister, Shlomo Ben Ami. There are hundreds of quotes from Israelis and human rights organizations on the ground that observed the massacres. I can prove them if you wish. The notion that Arabs rape routinely is pure racist BS. Rape in the Muslim world is severely condemned and attracts brutal punishment. Israel on the other hand, has become an epicenter of sexual slavery. You have no regard for facts, which is why you fail to produce any. I love facts. And don;t flatter yourself. We love to hear from you Jake. You're pathetic arguments are so easy to crush that it's like shooting fish in a barrel. I hope you stick around.
The funny thing is that Abbas' term ended in January, so he is illegally hanging on to power. So much for respecting democracy.
Since when the Jews are the only Semite people huh?
Don't worry Jake. We learn how to lie from the Western media, and israel of course
Direct statements of survivors will follow. In any event, CID Deputy Inspector General Catling concluded: "The recording of statements is hampered also by the hysterical state of the women who often break down many times whilst the statement is being recorded. There is, however, no doubt that many sexual atrocities were committed by the attacking Jews. Many young schoolgirls were raped and later slaughtered. Old women were also molested. One story is current concerning a case in which a young girl was literally torn in two. Many infants were also butchered and killed. I also saw one old woman . . . who had been severely beaten about the head with rifle butts. Women had bracelets torn from their arms and rings from their fingers and parts of some of the women's ears were severed in order to remove earrings."
"Arab men LOVE Arab boys." Aside from the fact that that line was utter racist, speculative drivel, what the hell does that have to do with Arabs raping Jews or vice versa? In addition to being a Revisionist Zionist and Jewish supremacist, Jake is also obviously a homophobe who feels conflating lies about Arabs' homosexuality statistics with the regular bullet points of his anti-Arab tirades adds to his case, because he assumes there is something inherently deplorable and immoral about homosexuality.
Israel is treating Gaza like a prison, so yes, there are more Arabs in Gaza today than every before in history. How does this contradict the fact that Israel has codnucted enthnic cleasing for 60 years? Take a look at a map of Palestine in 1948 and one from today, and then tell us that there is no enthic cleasing. As it turns out, facts and reality are antisemitic. Par for the course for Zionist wingnuts.
Ezer Weizmann got Morris a chair at Ben-Gurion. The president of Israel.
You bring plenty, but none of it facts. Mush of what you bring smells really bad too.
Pappe? Segez (sic) Segev? Morris? Historians?????? Are you deliberately ignoring the controversy surrounding these failed "academics" who know that pandering to antisemties like you will get their books sold and get them publicity, sure thing? They are so discredited, they should be called the Chicken Little Society. As for Rape, it is a Highly Honored thing in Islamic law. See RAPE AS A PUNISHMENT, issued in Pakistan (the rapists are the Islamic scholars themselves, who raped the sister of an accused), the RAPE of Palestinean workers' wives in Gaza by HAMAS SHEBAB, the GLORIFICATION OF RAPE by Sheik al Hilaly, the senior Islamic authority in Australia, the pack rapes by Lebanese and Pakistani men in Australia, France, England, etc. YOu don't like the facts. YOu never did. I"m not here to make you happy, just to show you the facts. If you don't like t hem, that is YOUR problem.
You also ignored the molestation of a Pal girl by her own family causing her to seek suicide by attacking Israeli soliders on a suicide mnission. Palestinean society, especially, is full of rape in the family. Check out the Prison in JORDAN, OCCUPIED EAST PALESTINE, in which the Queen of Jordan allows raped women to check themselves in to protect themselves from their own families! Check it out for yourself.
So much bull…. and you specialize in this….
antisemite is NOT a hyphenated term. IT was coined by Wilhelm Marr to make Judenhass (Jew hatred) socially acceptable. Just like 'anti-Zionist" was coined to make antisemitism acceptable. Just like you.
DO you ahve any figures or evidence that the world is really flat? Arab infant mortality rates PLUMMETED when they had access to ISRAELI medical facilities. Arab populations EXPLODED when they had access to Israeli economic activity. I can go on and on… you are just a lying bigot… dont' you ever give up???
I dare you to bring demonstrable facts. I dare you.
Keep going Shingo…. MondoShingo. MondoLiar.
Semite Noun a member of the group of peoples who speak a Semitic language, such as the Jews and Arabs [New Latin semita descendant of Shem, eldest of Noah's sons] But your people spoke Yiddish. You are not the cousin of the Arabs.
anti Zionist and anti Semite are 2 totally different things.
Oh you's taught those dumb Arabs how to have sex did ya?
Know what "Jake in Jerusalem"? My mother and father in law were a part of the 1948 Nakba, I can tell you all about Palestine while they were there and after. Their village was bulldozed over. I can recount one atrocity story after another from Palestinians who were chased out at one time or another or had their towns or streets and shops smashed by tanks, economies destroyed and their relatives killed by IDF even recently. Old Palestinians spend their time telling the old stories of their youth. My father in law worked in the King David Hotel with his best friend who was an Arab Jew, before you foreigners came along and blew it up and created chaos where you didn't even belong. Every Palestinian knows their family historical roots . They all know each other through family names and where they came from in Palestine. My husband told me the first time I was there : "everyone will ask you where your family is from (husband's family) tell them Jerusalem." YOU are not a part of any of that. You have no roots there, you have no history, no culture. YOU people are a foreign occupier. You Israelis are foreigners there now and as long as you are there. I don't believe in discussing "options" for Israelis and Palestinians. Israelis don't belong there, they have no right to exist. Period. Keep fighting and killing. Let the "intellectuals" keep "discussing". My children have a right to go there and be Palestinians from America. I've never been able to let them go there to spend one lousy summer with relatives in Nablus because of all the shit your people do there. We all have to go to Jordan. Jordanians are NOT Palestinians but because you know nothing of the place or people you wouldn't know that. You guys need to leave. GO AWAY. And look at you, "Jake from Jerusalem." You are no Jerusalemite!
I'd like to know how people defending themselves against occupier aggression can be accused of "war crimes." Ha! I should get a list of the weapons used against the Gazans! And don't forget this whole thing was planned years in advance! Palestinian war crimes. What a joke. Every man women and child fights. What is this human shield thing. An Israeli attack on Iran is just around the corner…let's see how many fronts that opens up. This is a war of the rich American Jew. Iranian nukes. I swear, they think we are dumbbells.
Morris is mainstream and respected. He has become more of a tribal Jewish fascist (Zionist) lately but his work is well researched. Being the dumb bastard that you are, Scum in Jerusalem, you'd obviously dismiss his work. You can't handle facts that do not conform to your twisted ideology. Pathetic anti-Semite.