Comments on: Foxman worries that Obama is Carter redux

By: Paul

Paul — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:43:32 +0000

He should be given credit for his actions. At least he is better than Bubba or GW. Look at the coward senators. Biden at Aipac " you don't need to be Jewish to be a Zionist". It's possible the president has a plan if things start going way wrong. Wait a year and we can see what unfolds.

By: lovelyisraelis

lovelyisraelis — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:47:53 +0000

"Palestinians are wondering why Obama is meeting in secret with Israelis, discussing settlements on their land, while no Palestinian is in the room." How very true. And how astonishing it is to think of how normal, how commonplace this grim charade has become.

By: lovelyisraelis

lovelyisraelis — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:39:29 +0000

Obama could have encouraged the raft of war crimes investigations already undertaken all over the world. He could have encouraged and thrown US weight behind efforts to have the vermin of Israel shipped to the hague to stand trial after gaza. He could have insisted on a UN fact finding mission to Gaza. He could insist on immediate, unimpeded aid to Gaza and jump started a massive, televised publicity campaign showing the horrors israel created, the suffering they inflicted on children. He could appear in a Gaza hospital beside children burnt with phosphorus. By the end of the day, the entire earth would be calling for a hydrogen bomb to be dropped on Tel Aviv. He could further expose the fact that the israelis have been spying on us. He could launch an all-out propaganda campaign against israeli influence on the US. You totally underestimate the enormous power this man has at his disposal. Bear in mind that there would have been a Palestinian state 50 years ago if the United States hadn't unilaterally blocked it. It would only require the single thing this charismatic leader aint got—a sand grain of courage!

By: David_F

David_F — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:01:49 +0000

Dual loyalty? No, I think Foxman's loyalties are quite undivided!

By: eitanbenshlomo

eitanbenshlomo — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:51:30 +0000

I have again reported this antisemite lovelyisraelis

By: lovelyisraelis

lovelyisraelis — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:39:53 +0000

Not a lecturing fuddy dutty at all, colin. I'm pretty much in agreement and probably, my words were ill-chosen. A great deal of it undoubtedly comes from anger. I often wish I'd stayed in the dark about what is happening in the occupied territories. It causes me such outrage, sadness and disgust. We jews are associated with these perverse injustices, whether we like it or not. It's pretty hard to stomach. An approach grounded in reason and level-headedness is surely the better way. I admire your ability to remain calm. Obviously, that's not my forte.

By: Colin_Murray

Colin_Murray — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:35:59 +0000

I not only don't disagree with any single point you raise, I agree with them all. Nevertheless, the term 'Jew York Times' sounds to my ears a slur. It may be a case of you being more comfortable with saying it because you are Jewish, similar to my personal observations of African Americans using traditional racist language among themselves, though obviously not with the traditional racist rhetorical intent. People will interpret the meaning of the same set of words differently based on their perceptions of the speaker's intent. I did not know either that you are Jewish or that you were speaking in jest. In a fundamentally multi-cultural discourse conducted entirely in writing, without body language, tone of voice, or other queues to provide additional context, meaning can be easily misconstrued. I feel it is necessary to be careful with choice of words, not because I think that Jews can't take a joke or withstand criticism, but to provide a clear separation from the antisemites who weigh in on these issues. We are but bit players with tiny influence, but every heart and mind matters, and the stakes on this issue are extremely high. American Zionists have caused and are causing enormous damage to America. Americans are waking up, and it is clear to me that the process is now irreversible. How they are wakened, the degree of understanding, compassion, rationality, etc, matters very much, not just for the future standing of the Jewish people, but to the future social, political, and economic health of my country. I apologize if I have come across as a lecturing fuddy-duddy. However, I call them like I see them. Cheers.

By: lovelyisraelis

lovelyisraelis — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:01:49 +0000

racist? That's just silly, colin. I'm jewish..proud of it. Everybody knows the Times is saturated with zionists like Thomas Friedman and owned by ultrazionists. The paper has a zionist agenda and an anti-arab agenda which helped propel the US into a war that killed over a million Arabs and ripped a country to shreds—thanks in large measure to jews like Judy Miller. C'mon—it's a fact. The suffering caused by the Times is almost unimaginable and their one-sided reportage of the Mid East, a true abomination. But we can't call them the Jew York Times in jest because that's racist? Jews can stand to be offended a little.

By: Colin_Murray

Colin_Murray — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:17:18 +0000

Racist verbiage like 'the Jew York Times' does not belong on this or any other site.

By: Colin_Murray

Colin_Murray — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:09:20 +0000

Abe Foxman: Still, I continue to sense that the administration is putting too much weight on solving the conflict. Our President is putting 'weight' on 'solving the the conflict' because its resolution is an essential AMERICAN security objective. Mr. Foxman either simply doesn't get the whole 'American' angle, or doesn't care. Either way, it is dual-loyalty on display.