Head of AJC issues religion-tinged attack on Obama

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mondoeThe knives are unsheathed for Obama. David Harris of the American Jewish Committee addresses 20 Democratic Senators and attacks Obama for singling out Israel and critiques Obama’s Israel/Palestine policy, including the idea that Israel must end the occupation:

In the end, Israel cannot and will not return to the fragile armistice lines of 1967. This was acknowledged by Presidents Clinton and Bush, and we hope that it will be reaffirmed.

Also Harris says that Jews have an ancient right to a homeland in Israel, going back to the bible. The Jewish claim has nothing to do with the Holocaust, as Obama alleged in Cairo. (David Frum made the same bible-thumping claim the other day). Why do the Senators listen to this guy? I thought the religious right was dead. It is, on the Christian side. H/t Jeff Blankfort.

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  1. Tenma
    July 24, 2009, 10:25 pm

    Do Zionists really fail to understand that it’s over? Do they really think they’re going to restore the status quo? Well, they can’t. It’s a simple matter of time and technology. The Zionist Project has reached its Zenith. Old systems break down to make way for new systems. Old powers become the thralls of new powers. The Phoenix rises from its own ashes, renewed but different.

    Zionism is dead, it just doesn’t know it yet.

    • pineywoodslim
      July 24, 2009, 11:18 pm

      Dead or not, I don’t know, yet frequently when movements perceive they are on their last legs they perhaps tend to become more extreme and dangerous.

    • Joachim Martillo
      July 25, 2009, 8:44 am

      Zionism is not dead until activists organize effectively to put a stake through its heart: Cost-Effective Patriotic Anti-Zionism.

      Zionism will not be dead until the assets of the Zionist political economic oligarchs are seized, and the Zionist intelligentsia is at least imprisoned.

  2. MRW
    July 24, 2009, 10:42 pm

    The Codex Sinaiticus is the oldest extant Bible (OT and NT) in the world comprising parts preserved from 3 BCE, including Sinai; hence, the name. They announced its online presence a few weeks ago.
    link to codexsinaiticus.org

    The parts of the Bible in which Jews now claim God gave them “the nation of Israel” do not exist. DO NOT EXIST. Click the link about and see for yourself. Further, the word ‘nation’ did not exist until the Middle Ages. It is a Middle English word from old French. The bullshit about the land being given to the Jews was created in 1906 as part of the Zionist claim to a homeland. See whtt.org. Click on Christian-Zionist Roots.

  3. hasbarablaster
    July 24, 2009, 11:03 pm

    Playing the Jesus Card
    Why is Netanyahu courting Christian fundamentalists?
    BY M.J. ROSENBERG | JULY 24, 2009
    link to foreignpolicy.com

  4. pineywoodslim
    July 24, 2009, 11:20 pm

    You know, I don’t propose interjecting religion into the I-P conflict, but I do always wonder why the Christian right has refused to acknowledge the suffering of the 10% of Palestinians who are Christian.

    • kylebisme
      July 25, 2009, 12:42 am

      100% of Palestinians are Arabs.

      • pineywoodslim
        July 25, 2009, 1:02 am

        Yes, and 10% of those Arab Palestinians are Christians.

    • SimoHurtta
      July 25, 2009, 1:04 am

      It has been a PR miracle that the Israeli Jews have managed to portray that religions of those who are defending their properties and rights is the “problem” and the conquerors are “secular” and “democratic”. Even if Palestinian had been Buddhists or Hindus they most provably have had resisted the invasion with the same means and strategies as the Muslims and Christians have done. Palestinians use religion as a national connective motivator as all others would do under an equal invasion. Jews only “rational” excuse for the invasion is the religious one.

      If the secular Zionist claim that the Israel project is justified because some of the forefathers or better said foremothers in this Jewish case lived on the area over 100 generations ago gives a reason to violent property confiscations without compensation then the future world will be an “interesting” place if other tribes and religions follow that example.

    • faris
      July 25, 2009, 6:28 am

      Up to 50% of Israeli Jews are also Arabs, mizrahim.

    • Citizen
      July 25, 2009, 1:53 pm

      Good question. The answer is they believe that Israel must rule as a step towards their own happiness in heaven. That’s to be distinguished from the Jewish Zionists who believe in heaven on earth, that is, “Jewish continuity” forever here on earth,
      destined to rule over it and the subspecies on it–that includes all non-Jews.

      So they respectively think it is written by their respective holy leaders.

      In short, God makes both of them do it.

      They deserve each other. I’d say the Jewish Zionists got the better deal, a very practical deal, all that tithing for Israel from the Christian Zionists, and their votes
      for Israel right or wrong, while the Jewish Zionists cackle behind their backs at the
      redneck pie in the sky.

    • AnaSanchez
      July 25, 2009, 2:01 pm

      True Christians are called to ease the suffering of all people, not just fellow Christians. “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus,” (Galatians.) The Christian Right has instead chosen to align itself with the empire, in other words, they are neither right nor Christian.

  5. ...
    July 25, 2009, 12:20 am

    a literal interpretation of metaphysical or mystical literature leads one to make all sorts of false assumptions on the content… think of all the insane things that have been done in the name of any religious book and it’s easy to conclude it isn’t about the book, but about the crazy making the falsel interpretation…

  6. v...
    July 25, 2009, 1:10 am

    “Also Harris says that Jews have an ancient right to a homeland in Israel, going back to the bible. ” How often do we have to listen to this nonsense as an excuse for the brutality of the Israelis? Even if all of this written fantasy were true it still would not translate to the murderous activity which transpires today.

    His implication that all Muslim lands deny the Holocaust, what hogwash. That Israel was not created because of the “conscience” of the persecuting Europeans, and equally because they are doing the same thing that the Israelis are doing, demonizing the Palestinians – they are all terrorists, and all Jews were supposed to be Bolsheviks. So there “remedy” has to be dipping into another mans pocket to pay their costly bill.

    It gets really old, and is an illegitimate excuse to genocide an ancient people from their homeland. They run around like maniacs looking for “artifacts” so they can excuse the annexation of more land, and the cleansing continues. There are no excuses for what is happening and there is nothing that can cleanse the current process.

    SKEWED SCIENCE, COLONIALISM AND ETHNIC CLEANSING

    • Citizen
      July 25, 2009, 1:59 pm

      The often touted propensity for irony attributed to the Jews is no where around when it comes to the plight of the Palestinians shouldering Hitler’s payback burden.

  7. Sin Nombre
    July 25, 2009, 1:56 am

    I suspect it’s a coincidence with this story but just the other day in Haaretz I think (although it could have been somewhere else) there was a short article noting that some not-unknown figure in Israel—I *think* he might have been a MK—had issued a letter calling on jews abroad to come to the aid of Israel. And if I recall right he even specifically appealed to jews working for foreign governments.

    I’ll be damned if I can find it now; Haaretz doesn’t seem to keep many of its stories around for long, but for some reason I got a bit of sense from it that maybe the guy wasn’t just doing this lone ranger style and that he might have been acting as Netanyahu’s cat’s paw in terms of taking his dispute with Obama to the next level.

    As I said I suspect it’s just a coincidence that this happened and now we see this new initiative by the AJC, but who knows. Every day now you see what can seem each side taking things to slightly new levels so….

  8. DICKERSON3870
    July 25, 2009, 4:41 am

    RE: ” Also Harris says that Jews have an ancient right to a homeland in Israel, going back to the bible.”

    SEE: “Ancient Israeli Myths Deter Peace”, By Robert Parry, 07/09/09 

    (EXCERPT) The rationale for formally designating Israel a Jewish state – as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu now demands – rests on three religious-political pillars: God’s purported covenant with Moses instructing the ancient Israelites to conquer the land, the injustice of the Roman-era Diaspora that supposedly removed them centuries later, and the brutal persecution of European Jews in the Holocaust. 

    Yet, two of these pillars – Moses conveying God’s covenant to the Israelites and the Roman Diaspora – appear based on almost no historical reality, the stuff of legend and possibly even lies that crumble under any serious scrutiny. 

    Normally, such ancient stories might be regarded as harmless tales that some people treasure as part of their Judeo-Christian faiths, except that Netanyahu’s new demand means that these myths now threaten peace in the Middle East and conceivably could push the modern world into more bloody warfare. Therefore, they must be given fresh examination…. 

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/070809.html

  9. v...
    July 25, 2009, 6:01 am

    The logic of both Israel and apartheid-era South Africa can be found in their common origins as settler states. In both cases, the settlers CREATED MYTHS, semi-religious or explicitly religious, including that GOD HAD PROVIDED THE LAND for them and that the land was unoccupied upon arrival, a very, very common theme in every settler state, whether it’s the United States, Israel, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc. In both cases, the settlers portrayed themselves to be VICTIMS against natives who were described as SEMI-BARBARIC OR INTOLERANT. Given the permanent state of siege, every settler state AGGRESSION came to be DESCRIBED as a DEFENSIVE ACT, an approach also common with the United States. By way of example, for South Africa, incursions into Angola, Mozambique, Zimbabwe or anywhere else always against alleged TERRORISTS were justified as alleged defensive actions.

    • Gert
      July 25, 2009, 11:02 am

      Comrade v., you’re spot on.

      • v...
        July 25, 2009, 12:44 pm

        Thanks Gert

        Terrorism is a normative term and not a descriptive concept. An empty word that means everything and nothing, it is used to describe what the Other does, not what we do. The powerful – whether Israel, America, Russia or China – will always describe their victims’ struggle as terrorism, but the destruction of Chechnya, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, the slow slaughter of the remaining Palestinians, the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan – with the tens of thousands of civilians it has killed … these will never earn the title of terrorism, though civilians were the target and terrorizing them was the purpose.

        Counterinsurgency, now popular again among in the Pentagon, is another way of saying the suppression of national liberation struggles. Terror and intimidation are as essential to it as is winning hearts and minds.

        Normative rules are determined by power relations. Those with power determine what is legal and illegal. They besiege the weak in legal prohibitions to prevent the weak from resisting. For the weak to resist is illegal by definition. Concepts like terrorism are invented and used normatively as if a neutral court had produced them, instead of the oppressors. The danger in this excessive use of legality actually undermines legality, diminishing the credibility of international institutions such as the United Nations. It becomes apparent that the powerful, those who make the rules, insist on legality merely to preserve the power relations that serve them or to maintain their occupation and colonialism.

        GAZA: THE LOGIC OF COLONIAL POWER

      • v...
        July 25, 2009, 12:55 pm

        In other words they turn any natural resistance, that of the weak into a crime, no matter what it is, everything is made illegal –

        CRIME

    • Citizen
      July 25, 2009, 2:08 pm

      Yeah, it’s an old colonial story, these manifest destiny missions so convenient. It’s to be noted when the early colonists come in they do deal fairly with the natives; as soon
      as they have more power, all they show is a forked tongue and the barrel of a gun. Always too, they play that old game, Divide and Conquer. The natives always fall for both. I mean come on, the Jews learn from the goy whites; they don’t originate anything.
      This at least since the West’s jump start on technology. Prior thereto, well, it was
      just one tribe against the other; of course technology has always plaid a big hand.
      But the combination of secular psuedo-humanism and technology–now that the Jews learned from the Western Goys, er, rather true, but the Jews spread it to the countryside. No? Yes?

  10. asiswhen
    July 25, 2009, 8:55 am

    Jesus died for human rights in Palestine

    thanks for the link Dickerson..
    demythification of the linkage of modern zionism to ancient (pre-christian, pre-muslim, pre-civil-rights-era) tribalism will corrode most arguments for denying equal rights to palestinians on their own land. the problem is “it’s israel stupid”, people are so f–ing petrified to speak up.

  11. Ed
    July 25, 2009, 9:30 am

    The evolution of the primary emphasis of Jewish nationalism’s rationale for its land theft, subjugation and murder of Palestinians is fascinating. In the wake of the Holocaust, the emphasis was an appeal to leftist and liberal outrage at what had been done to the Jews by those right-wing Nazi monsters. The left-liberal establishment would become morally indignant at anyone in the West who questioned Jewish nationalism’s moral authority to burrow out its own state and even expel and murder the native inhabitants based merely upon their non-Jewish race. The Jews were the ultimate victims, so everything they did was justified.

    Today, Jewish nationalism has milked the victim card to its last drop, and the left-liberal vanguard is moving on to other, more contemporary victims (even if the left-liberal establishment has not), and so Jewish nationalism is edging towards another set of suckers and dupes to back up its perpetual grift: Christian Zionists and clash-of-civilization cheering crackers.

    What that tells me is that there is a sucker born every minute on both the Left and Right, and that a good litmus test for who’s being suckered the most at any given time is their identification with “the Jews,” and the extent to which they are willing to go to bat for them. Given the truth of Jewish nationalist history that we know now, from it murderous Bolshevik incarnation to its murderous Zionist incarnation to its murderous Necon/Neoliberal one, its also a good litmus test for identifying those willing to be seduced by, embrace and collaborate with evil — which includes the entire American political and media establishment from mainstream left to right.

    • Citizen
      July 25, 2009, 2:25 pm

      Ed
      I think you have identified a good salient double litmus test to sort out among the gentiles
      who is a carpet bagger or just ignorant and without intellectual curiosity or full scope empathy. Or both.

      That the jews hold the deciding card shows the gentiles’ extreme weakness at the table
      of the greater good. While I’m not supporting the greater good in the sense that the
      pure democracy once thought the world was flat, that 98% can’t even get
      a word in edgewise due to 2% of the USA population… is disconcerting. To say the least.

      • Citizen
        July 25, 2009, 2:35 pm

        Furthermore, in Weimar Germany, Jews were less than 1% of the population. In comparison Jews in the USA , not between Versailles injustice and WW2, but between Iraq War & impending WW3, are 2%. Their overrepresentation in all influential slots in the economy and news is comparable. And we had the Great Depression, and now the Great Depression 2, headed downward. I just don’t see this rough parallel as very good–either for the Goys or the Jews. Both the Russians and
        the Arabs, the Chinese and the Indians are watching very closely. So is Japan and Tawian. The EU too–how could they not be? Where should the latest Rothschild
        clan place their bet? That should tell us something.

  12. Keyboard Commando
    July 25, 2009, 10:58 am

    I agree we shouldn’t single out Israel. They should get the same foreign aid as any other country with $28,000 GDP per capita.

  13. Gert
    July 25, 2009, 11:00 am

    Phil:

    “Why do the Senators listen to this guy? I thought the religious right was dead.”

    Because the overwhelming majority of Congressmen and Senators are pro-Israel?

    Hillary Clinton up to recently was popular with the Israeli electorate (especially Amerisraelis) in the nominations race because of her hawkish, pro-undivided Jerusalem. Reid, Pelosi et al, are all the same suckers when it comes to Isra-ul.

  14. Gert
    July 25, 2009, 11:09 am

    Israel invokes Biblical mythology or the Holocaust as the main reason for its existence, at will and according to the occasion. So it invokes the Bible to rally against Obama and hides behind the Holocaust by calling the 1967 Borders the Auschwitz Borders.

    For really good analysis, read Tony Karon’s excellent Obama, Foxman and Israel’s Purpose. Brilliant…

    Harris is a well paid imbecile.

    • v...
      July 25, 2009, 5:29 pm

      THE TENABLE VIEW OF BIBLICAL “CLAIMS’

      On top of this, anyone who reads lets say Torah, who has no idea of religious myths long before the origins of these writing, is bound to make a fool out of themselves. Simply because the entire narrative is steeped in the lore of the surrounding region! There are really some grossly ignorant religious proponents running around, who do not even know the “origins” of their religious fervor, but who are complete imbeciles in regard to historical verities.

      What the Zionists have is the collective ignorance of not only their immediate circle, but the even worse conclusions of the Christian Fundamentalism. However, no matter where you look, or what specific religion is employed, it is always used to move people to the will of the few. It creates a people whose way of life, and eschatological goals can completely bury another people – especially if those who hold these spurious views are moneyed and in power.

  15. Shafiq
    July 26, 2009, 9:27 am

    The hypocrisy is unbelievable:

    Muslim ideas of Waqf…Bad
    Jewish ideas of Waqf…Good

    How about both being ridiculous?

  16. Kathleen
    July 26, 2009, 12:39 pm

    ancient right….what a bunch of hogwash. the “Bible” written by a bunch of Jewish guys telling the Jewish people that they are the “chosen people” Horseshit. If there is a god there would be no selection of one group of people over another. Pure myth.

    Greatest media myth ever perpetrated “chosen people”

    Real estate company
    Century 2000 b.c.
    Broker
    Yahweh

    crazy simply crazy

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