Why do we single Israel out? Riding on a Code Pink bus in Gaza last month with Mike Levy, a human rights worker from Osceola, Wisconsin, I asked him to compare the human-rights abuses we were witnessing, some of it visible out the window, with other human-rights violations he had researched through his long career. Watch the video, but Levy makes a few significant points: that Israel's flouting of international law is so public and well-documented that it threatens the entire "structure" of international law; that the destruction in Gaza was "genocidal," in that it is an attempt to destroy Palestinian civilization; and that rarely have we seen such a malicious effort carried out over such an extended period, in such a small place. On that note, he said, that nowhere in the world is there so much U.S. responsibility for bloodshed and trauma (and Jewish responsibility, he throws that in too, as a Jew) as there is in Palestine.
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Weiss, why would you post this tripe? Nobody with half a functioning brain cell accepts the ridiculous canard that there is a genocide. The prevention of genocide is my only interest in this conflict. The Arab population has grown exponentially in Gaza at the same rate that the disparity in power between the opposing sides has grown. If that useful idiot, Levy is correct, and Israel flaunts international law to the point that international law itself is threatened, what explains the low death toll? According to your pal Israel is a threat to the very fabric of international society, and must be singled out. What holds them back from implementing a true scorched earth policy and liquidating all human life in Gaza? According to your thinking the most powerful nation on earth is also an accomplice. So what gives? On the one hand you wish to portray Israel as the asymmetrical military power house crushing poor, poor Arabs under the treads of American made Caterpillar bulldozers, but on the other hand you want to make inflammatory accusations that don't quite mesh with reality. In true human rights work we call this demonization, which is a proven precursor to actual genocide along with dehumanization such as labeling Jews pigs and apes. You need to stop a think about what you are doing, Weiss. Your mother sounds like a smart lady, stop embarrassing her with your ignorance.
Michael you need to probably watch the whole video and stop picking out sound bites to rail against.
IF you notice in the video, and what he posted in his blog – he said that it is gendocial in that it is a deliberate, systematic attempt to erase Palestinian civilization. Going all out and literally slaughtering several million Palestinians in a quick scortched earth policy is also deliberate and systematic, but that isn't what they are referring to here.
The rest appears to be empty rhetoric… comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point, right?
"IF you notice in the video, and what he posted in his blog – he said that it is gendocial in that it is a deliberate, systematic attempt to erase Palestinian civilization."
What civilization is that? There is not a single defining characteristic of civilization that applies to those people. When I ask them for one all I get is a blank stare. And I have asked hundreds.
"comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point, right?"
Actually my comprehension is exactly what is feared by political bags of wind.
Smart, compassionate, awesome guy. Thanks.
Thanks mike.
Great video. Thanks, Mike.
The International Conflict Regime is threated in two ways:
International Jewish Shyster Law is designed to undermine two key principles of the International Conflict Regime.
I hope the "intellectuals" have learned something from this man who articulated the situation in just a few important moments. I liked the questions also. He couldn't say "flaunt" enough in regard to Israel, it's what drives me nuts. And of course Israel's policy from the get go has been genocidal. Their intentions all along has been to destroy the Palestinian people through terrorism. Systematically terrorize them and cause them to flee like 1948 until there are none left who utter the word "Palestine." These Zionists are the most evil, vile people on the earth. And all the Americans who go along. As for the Arab leaders, I hope I am alive to see them over -thrown and beheaded. The "feel-good" part of this are the good people who oppose evil and try to help victims, their fellowman, significantly Jews themselves. But isn't that what all catastrophes are about….separating the bad from the good? And sometimes bringing out the good from the bad? Making heroes?
Bless you. You make the world a better place.
Amen. And he did nail it completely in a few short statement. What he said is what has made decent people outraged at Israel..
This was my favorite video. He does not step on egg-shells. Just complete honesty (and I simply mean this, in the sense that he gives his perspective without a 'hint' of restraint or pretension – meaning, he seems sincere). I also liked the video where Phil met the wives and children and he zoomed in on one girl. These videos humanize the Palestinians. In the fact of Zionist propaganda and the bias (and at best indifference) of the Western press, we need to show the world Palestinians are human beings and not some cartoon enemy or fairy-tale monster the equally fair-book character 'the Jews' make them out to be – and I only mean 'the Jews' in the way the Zionists construct Jewish identity.
This was my favorite video. He does not step on egg-shells. Just complete honesty (and I simply mean this, in the sense that he gives his perspective without a 'hint' of restraint or pretension – meaning, he seems sincere). I also liked the video where Phil met the wives and children and he zoomed in on one girl. These videos humanize the Palestinians. In the fact of Zionist propaganda and the bias (and at best indifference) of the Western press, we need to show the world Palestinians are human beings.
Does anyone believe Obama is fully aware of what this man says in the clip? Is Congress aware? What percentage of Americans would guess are aware? What percentage of MSM news people, and owners?
Mike Levy is a wonderful example of an authentic humanist. He lays out the core of what's really especially evil about the long US-Israel partnership, the special relationship. Thanks Mike, for being such a good citizen. The video is also my favorite because it lays out so succinctly what must be stopped and why.
Good intentions. I'm not sure he answered Phil's questions. If there is something that one can do, including if there are changes that Israel can make to its policy, it doesn't really matter which is the most significant wrong in the world. And, again and again, that is the very large question. What is the path forward? I think there is an obvious one, which is what Obama is doing skillfully. That is to remove the objections to real peace, both the argument objections and the actual substantive ones on both sides of the conflict. Those individuals that consider solidarity with the Palestinian cause as a prospective approach that will yield an improvement in the lives of Palestinians in a foreseeable future, are deluded. Those that seek in any way to pursue the dissolution of Israel as Israel, are similarly, and will cause FAR FAR more harm than good.
And, as the solidarity approach is the mode that the prominent radical dissenters take, that is a DETERRENT to Palestinian well-being.
The point about the divestment in human rights law crumbling partially because of what Israel is doing (imprisonment without trial, extra-legal interrogation tactics) is accurate. I consider the US shifts in relating to international law to have been FAR more critical. For example, blessing India's renunciation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, or the Bush blessing on settlement expansion and Jerusalem as solely capital of Israel, were gaffs in responsibility of the super power.
Phil's "times are a'changing" mantra is echoed by Max Elbaum, "Washington's Wars and Occupations," with a focus on the comparison/contrast between Tehran and Bil'in: Quote: Speaking of complexities: there are bad as well as good reasons why the world's eyes were focused on Iran this month. The scale of protest there and the vivid images of unarmed young people confronting armed paramilitaries are good reasons. But it's not to be denied that the Western media, and Western political establishment, much prefers to focus on such scenes in Tehran than, say, Palestine. After all, every week there is a demonstration of unarmed Palestinians against Israel's "Separation (Apartheid) Wall" cutting right through many villagers' land. The village of Bilin is the most active site now. Other villages have been at the pivot in the past. Since 2005, at least 18 Palestinians have been killed by heavily armed soldiers at these peaceful protests. Many more have been beaten and gassed. Though Friends of Freedom and Justice/Bilin (http://www.war-times.org/ the International Solidarity Movement and other groups have worked tenaciously to publicize these protests, they don't make the same kind of front page news here in the U.S. Our passionate solidarity must be the same. And our dispassionate analysis explains why there is a disparity in news coverage. The U.S. has long backed Israeli occupation, but is hostile to any regime in Tehran or elsewhere that does not bow to U.S. dictates. No matter if that regime is internally progressive or, as is the case with the current Islamic Republic, internally repressive and reactionary. Perhaps on the level of immediate maneuver and realpolitik, the short-term result of the protest and repression in Tehran will benefit the right-wingers who want war. But at another level, all the pictures and videos from Iran, and all the reports about divisions within the Iranian power-structure, are a blow to the stereotypes about Iran that have permeated U.S. culture since the hostage crisis of 1979. Millions will now question the racist propaganda that all Iranians are simply America-hating fanatics, and all Iranian leaders aspiring Adolf Hitlers. Likewise, the more the peace movement can get the story of Bilin in front of the U.S. people (and there are new openings given the Washington-Tel Aviv conflict over Israeli settlements), the bigger a blow can be struck against the racist demonization of Palestinians as terrorists. Unquote see it at: http://www.war-times.org/
On the same day as 140 Uighurs are killed in China. Ironic, to say the least. 140 slain as Chinese riot police, Muslims clash in northwestern city http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damienmcelroy/1... ""Under Chinese law, we should have the right for a peaceful protest against what the Chinese government is doing to our people," Dilxat Raxit, a spokesman for the World Uyghur Congress, said in a telephone interview from his home in Sweden." ""Uighurs have suffered for years under racial profiling and unjust government policies that have painted the entire Uighur population as criminals and terrorists," U.S.-based Uighur leader Rebiya Kadeer said in a statement released last week." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damienmcelroy/1... "China’s worst disturbances in decades were depressingly inevitable. Xinjiang is China’s frontier province. It is a rich desert of treasure, practically empty on the fringes of the world’s most populous nation. It’s not hard to work out why Han Chinese are pulled there by opportunity and pushed there by officialdom"
Uighurs are persecuted in China aren't they?
This is a again one of these sentences were I wonder if you would be more easy to understand if you started to use mathematical models or whatever other communicative method but not language. This basically means, I give you the benefit of doubt. But let's reduce it: Radical Dissenter's choice = solidarity with Palestinians Soldidarity with Palestinians = prevents well being of Palestinians. I wonder what the choice of DETERRANT, as much as it capitalization, signifies other then your repetitious use of "fascist", or the (evil) "left". Interestingly deterrence has two basic meaning layers, the more general prevention and the state power's or more military aspect. Now given the associative layer, did you choose it since you feel solidarity with Palestinians automatically results in their harm by Israel's state power and if so why? ****************************************************************************************************************** Those individuals that consider solidarity with the Palestinian cause as a prospective approach that will yield an improvement in the lives of Palestinians in a foreseeable future, are deluded. Those that seek in any way to pursue the dissolution of Israel as Israel, are similarly, and will cause FAR FAR more harm than good. Somehow related to your insistence on balance seems the arbitrary construction of extreme examples. Could you give us examples were solidarity caused harm?.
Gasp! I almost agree with Witty. I'll correct the problem. The point about the divestment in human rights law crumbling partially because of what Israel is doing (colonialism, apartheid) is accurate. I consider the US shifts in relating to international law to have been FAR more critical. For example, blessing India's renunciation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, or the long standing financial and moral support of Israel, were gaffs in responsibility of the super power.
Really a stellar interview, Phil. Your questions were well-placed and thoughtful. The location of the interview, shot with a hand held camera on a bus rolling through the potholed streets of freshly bombed-out Gaza, adds invaluable atmosphere to the discussion. Mike Levy is an inspiring humanist, to echo what others have said, and his arguments for singling out Israel because of its consistent arrogance in ignoring international law and the calls of the international community regarding its human rights abuses were eloquent and delivered with pinpoint accuracy. I was concerned that Levy wasn't going to have a satisfactory answer to Phil's questions about the relativity of Israel's persecution of the Palestinians compared with cases of persecution in other countries such as DRC, but he summed it up flawlessly in the last portion of the interview. The fact that in this particular case, the oppression, ethnic cleansing, and mass killing is done systematically, in a sophisticated manner, the methodology studied carefully and constantly improved upon by the offending party, and is deliberately drawn out over time makes it a uniquely horrifying and urgent crisis. I also appreciate very much that Mike spoke from a human rights standpoint about the "direct role of [American] tax dollars … [and] U.S. responsibility". I would add my own thoughts regarding human rights comparisons between Israel/Palestine and those situations in other nations, particularly in Africa: for one, a comparison of raw numbers is truly arbitrary in this case. When two large-scale cases of mass persecution are compared, intent, methodology, and the state of the oppressors' nation (let's face it — we have come to expect much "more" from a first world liberal democracy than a third world post-colonial society still struggling to find itself amidst corruption, tribal politics and Franz Fanon's extremely well-defined "petit-bourgeois nationalism") are what need to be under the microscope in order to make a fair analysis of "which is worse", as ridiculous and frivolous as such a comparison would be, not body counts. To expand on Mike's statement about "volatility", many of the mass killings and even instances of state-organized persecution of an ethnic, religious, or tribal population in African countries are acute and reactionary to a particular event that recently occurred. The persecution and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not reactionary or acute, unless we count the foundation of political Zionism as a reaction to anti-Semitism in Europe — it is a carefully planned process, a product of a grand design, that has been ongoing for nearly a century now, starting with Zionist paramilitary groups and continuing with the machinations of the State of Israel. Anyway, bravo Phil for finding Mike Levy, interviewing him, and sharing this video with all of us, and cheers to Mike for being such a beautiful, wonderful man. Keep up the great work, both of you!
RE: "If there is something that one can do, including if there are changes that Israel can make to its policy, it doesn't really matter which is the most significant wrong in the world." Will anyone like to take a crack at the "logic" in this sentence? What do you think Mike Levy would say to Witty?
Excellent! Putting in what Witty left out in his partial agreement with Mike Levy's stance and the reason Mike gave us why he thought it most worthy of his time.
Thanks, delia, for pointing out why focus on Iran internal protests is a double-edged sword and a shield on the right and left arms.
Given all the atrocities in history, the NAZI machine's is held up as more evil than any especially because it was so planned, industrialized, etc; and because Germany had been a pillar of Western civilization and hence more was expected of it. Post Nuremberg, we now have a similar analysis regarding Israel's as compared to other human rights violations around the world. This does place implemented Zionism low on the Post Nuremberg totem pole of evil. And the big nail holding it up so high there is made in USA.
Oops, I meant "This does NOT place…"
Exactly.
I am an Israeli, and I find your 'absolute' judgements extremely delusional. (Perhaps its real objective is to glorify you as moral). The Israeli people are not less moral than any other people in the rest of the world, and we should be judged with comparison to the very tough situation which we are in. We have a different view point on the ownership of the lands, history of the region etc. and under this view point the actions taken by our government serve only to protect our survival as a people and as a state. We are not the people you claim we are. We are not an evil monster, and you are not a "hero" who fights evil monsters.
Nth_Republic comes close to a common but critical error made in post-Holocaust historiography of the Zionist movement:
Historical anti-Semitism in the Czarist empire is exaggerated. Russian Ashkenazim did not react to the ongoing and mutual Jewish-non-Jewish (really revolutionary-counter-revolutionary) violence by becoming Zionists. Instead even more Russian Jews became even more radical and worked even harder to overthrow the government. From Makdisi Overlooks US Journalistic Nazification:
Interesting analysis. The idea behind the passage you quoted was that the persecution and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians isn't a reaction to anything the Palestinians have done, more that the existence of Palestinians within Eretz Israel conflicts with the goals of most of the brands of Zionist ideology that pervade Israeli society and polity. I recognize that that isn't what you were responding to, though, I just thought I'd clarify.
His point is so clear about human rights abuse happening in broad daylight, where other regimes practice in the dark. He could never make it to evening news debates. He looks to honest.
"Palestinian violence is a carefully planned process, a product of a grand design, that has been ongoing for nearly a century now, starting with the basic unwillingness to accept any non-Muslims in the Holy Land, in practical terms with the 1929 Hebron massacre, and continuing with the machinations of Hamas and other groups devoted to killing as many Jews as possible". That was too easy.
I meant to say "This does NOT place implemented Zionism low on the Post Nuremberg totem pole of evil."
I think the point is that the Palestinians have been reacting all along to predatory usurpation; and in the USA, where (unlike in Israel) citizenship is congruent with nationality, the Zionists have had to resort to more Orwellian posturing to achieve the same result, Israel's being what you see before you, a real colonial anomaly, and in the USA, a Zionist colonization of Public Opinion, the mass wave in the stadium–accomplished without direct force (as in China) but rather by little Eichmannesque careerism.
Amir, the history of the land is available for anyone willing to closely check it out; your POV is echoed across the USA from all influential positions–for example every American knows about the Shoah and very few know about the Nakba–this is by design. The Holocaust is taught in all our schools. Our textbooks never mention the Nakba. And neither does the American mainstream media. The collective punishment of a whole people, the Palestinians, in the name of Israel defense/security is the bone we have to pick with you. Americans pay for your government's activities, much more than they pay for any other foreign government activities. We pay both in dollars and loss of humanitarian prestige around the world. And we pay because we pay your government's values, which are not the same as ours. I agree Americans are no heroes. Your government's activities and the USA's rubber-stamping of those activities certainly assures this deplorable situation.
one of the huge pluses of traveling with this delegation was spending time with Mike (such a beautiful compassionate man) and other like minded activists in constant dialogue about our emerging perceptions. what became clear to me during the trip was how everything i saw confirmed my earlier suspicions regarding the genocide before my eyes. you can feel it in your bones , see it all around you, smell it in the air you breathe. it is chilling being a witness, i carry it with me all the time. before i was obsessed with palestine, now moreso with every beat of my heart.
"before i was obsessed with palestine, now moreso with every beat of my heart. " Which means you're just as batshit crazy as the rest of the gang here. Particularly on the same day when 140 Uighurs are killed in China, but no one hears about their persecution. Tibet – any takers? Didn't think so. 140 slain as Chinese riot police, Muslims clash in northwestern city http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-... ""Under Chinese law, we should have the right for a peaceful protest against what the Chinese government is doing to our people," Dilxat Raxit, a spokesman for the World Uyghur Congress, said in a telephone interview from his home in Sweden." ""Uighurs have suffered for years under racial profiling and unjust government policies that have painted the entire Uighur population as criminals and terrorists," U.S.-based Uighur leader Rebiya Kadeer said in a statement released last week."
The cruel maliciousness of your state makes you part of the crime. I would not expect you to understand. My family is a bunch of criminals, but they are really only stealing the bread because we're hungry and the situation here is difficult. Your colonization doesn't make you evil, it's your complete maliciousness toward the world around you that makes you evil.
Amir, you are not surviving. You are dominating. You are steeped in your victim-narrative and your Holocaust religion.
you already posted this. what does this have to do with anything? moron. at least you reaffirm the abject stupidity and chauvinism of Zionism today
It's always interesting when people pull the "if you're so concerned about human rights, why aren't you fighting for X Group?" Like it's a zero sum game. I submit that oppression done with our money in a region that is aflame in large part because of our support of said oppression and costs us blood and treasure (Iraq) while we directly kill millions more is higher my priority list because my hands are dirty because I'm American. I'm sorry for the folks in China, and when that country becomes our client state I'll spend my precious little resources and time on that cause. All the same, I welcome people who bring up Chinese oppression to go fight that cause and recognize that if they are sincere, they will understand that we're all working for justice and each effort pushes the arc of history a bit more in the right direction. No need to use comparative suffering as a cudgel.
Man, I really need to proof read. I hope I didn't set the cause back…
why are you here? why aren't you glued to a blog about the Uighurs? everyone chooses their own battles and their own loves. you have to work on what speaks to you. i know it must be hard for you in the pro settler community that we are out here, obsessed about finally bringing justice to this ongoing crisis and shining a light on the ongoing systematic tragedy still unfolding after all these years of hiding protected behind lies. we're here to stay. we are part of the equation now, you won't be getting rid of us so easily just by calling us names. i do not care what you call me, not one iota. go read the boy who cried wolf. israel is getting outed.
I did not mention the Holocaust in my response; it is you who is obsessed with the holocaust, not me. We are not victims anymore, we have power and actively use it for our survival (this is my belief in general, although each action of Israel need to be judged separately). I prefer you to hate us than the alternative (i.e. not fiercely defending our state, being sluatered by our enemies and than you feel sorry for our dire situation, and perhaps write a post in some egomaniac's website). I main thing I wanted to state is that we are not more cruel
acistetc. than other nations in a similar situations. What would you do if your cities were bombed from Gaza for six years? are you sure you would act more morally than us?
"If there is something that one can do, including if there are changes that Israel can make to its policy, it doesn't really matter which is the most significant wrong in the world." If there is something that you can be done, do it. "it doesn't really matter which is the most significant wrong in the world" The question that Phil raised of whether one wrong is qualitatively more significant than another (as a means to dismiss the importance of the wrong), is an irrelevant question.
Where they resulted in increased conflct that ended up harming civilians. Say, Hamas' decision to resume shelling of Israeli civilians after the ending of the formal cease-fire.
If you replaced the "colonialism, apartheid", with MUCH more specific descriptions then we might agree, on that at least. I think the US should continue support for Israel, but without the Bushist enabling.
The problems that I see are with the permanent suppression of Palestinian civil development. That includes the apartheid-like ethnically defined identification papers, 600 roadblocks still, frequent detention without trial, incremental (but deliberate and consistent) expropriation of strategically located land in the West Bank without due process. Those are things that can be changed currently without compromising Israel's defense, and would actually AFFIRM Israel's primary laws, that include the provisions for equal due process regardless of ethnicity.
The dilemma that I see for a solidarity activist is that it requires selective exposure. Someone advocating for the position that "Israel is only offended, never offends", must carefully select what he/she reads and sees, so that the experience of the other does not play in their math. Similarly, while clearly the Gazans are the ones that are suffering, Hamas' actions of first gruesome terror on civilians in the 90's and early 2000's, and recently shelling civilians regularly until the cease-fire and then at the first "opportunity" after. Phil's description of the Hamas press conference was of "softball" questions to them, as if journalists and political commentators were there just to present the party line. Gazans are victims. And, as Ethan Bronner, and Phil, reported, they desire civil cosmopolitan vibrant life, not external domination, and not sharia, barely even nationalism if the descriptions of them as common human beings is accurate.
I see you are totally ignorant of criminal law. Better stick to monetary accounting.
And the latest dose of air wasn't given to Israel without even a minimal protest or condition despite the continued settlements? Is that attributable to Bushies too?
And how about a more equal distribution of precious water, or is that to much to ask? Are swimming pools needed to defend Israel?
You're point is well-taken by all responsible Americans.
Will you consider the whole, rather than just one side, during one small slice of time? It is what you ask of others. Which formal cease-fire? Which shelling of Israeli civilians? What actions by Israel occurred before and while this was going on?
"Similarly, while clearly the Gazans are the ones that are suffering, Hamas' actions of first gruesome terror on civilians in the 90's and early 2000's, and recently shelling civilians regularly until the cease-fire and then at the first "opportunity" after." Richard, you didn't finish your sentence. What did you intend to say about HAMAS' actions? That as a result the Israelis also suffered? There is no doubt that is true, and regrettable.
I provided a link with extremely specific descriptions – ie: the first pass of a legal document probably to be used to charge Israel with the dual crimes of apartheid and colonialism sponsored by the government of South Africa (at arms length) and the United Nations. Let's add a quote from a human rights organization.
http://www.btselem.org/english/Maps/Index.asp So what would it take? Human rights organizations, Governments, United Nations, World Criminal Court (the ruling on the apartheid wall) – nothing is ever enough.
I loved this comedy video! Arab Rights activist Mike "MondoBrains" Levy rides in an air-conditioned bus with plain glass windows, down a tree-lined street in Gaza (you can see it in the video!) and rails against "long-running genocide perpetrated by Israel". Mike MondoBrains even cries over the destruction of "Palestinean culture", even though there never was such a thing. He never ONCE mentions REAL HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS OF HAMAS AGAINST ISRAELI JEWS, nor HR violations by Hamas against Arabs inside Gaza. He did not bother to visit any of the many Israeli towns and villages bombarded by Gazans over years of "peace process". He doesn't know what it's like for Israeli children to ride on an armored, bullet-proof school bus, protecting them from Palestinean terrorists who DELIBERATELY TARGET SCHOOLCHILDREN. The interviewer even describes himself as an "intellectual". Laughable.
Thanks for this Phillip! You have revealed right here on MondoLies your level of "intellectualism", your level of intellectual dishonesty, your biased inability to see any other side of THIS story and your general Mondo-ness. And you did it to yourself!
it's impossible for zionist to look at this with clear eyes and not just from their perspectives and their agendas. maybe that day will come and we can have peace in that part of the world
Selective exposure. Correct. Acitivists like MondoBigots and Mike MondoBrains are so obsessed with imaginary crimes commited by Israel that they don't see REAL CRIMES commited by Palestineans. They happily ignore THOUSANDS of rockets attacks against Israeli towns, HUDNREDS of murders by Fatah and Hamas of each other, and the BRUTALIZING DICTATORSHIP of Hamas. They only focus on imaginary crimes, while missing REAL GENOCIDE in other places. This is why these people are MondoBigots.
Correct, we don't know about the Nakba, and didn't see what happened in GAZA at the beginning of this year, and so on. We are only supposed to note ONE IDF soldier in prison, not the 1100 plus Palestinians, most of them civilians. That's why Jake takes the hasbara cake.
Quit projecting your own mental defects onto Phil and those who like him on this blog. No wonder Jesus kicked your ancestors out of the temple, and Saul converted.
Not before the zionists drag us into yet another war. On the other hand, if Israel attacks Iran and the world gets involved maybe Americans will wake up and smell the kosher coffee that had been brewing all the time.
Damascus, 0ooo boy, you really don't know anything about history, do you? The more you post, the more you embarass yourself in public. This could be fun!
Some people obsess over ONE issue. They are not HUMAN rights activists but propagandists. And some, like Citizen, cannot concentrate on even ONE thing at a time. This leads to many confused, silly, embarrasing postings. Keep at it Citizen. One day you might understand something. And then again, you might now. Hanging around MondoLies, though, is no way to learn about the world.