Medea Benjamin to talk about her 3 visits to Gaza, in NY tom’w night

I have told you MULTIPLE times about my discussions with Jim Ennes and Joe Meadors. They are both well-known in the Liberty community. Ennes wrote a very profitable book about it. You still pretend that you have never heard of this and that I haven't told you. You are willfully stupid, Shingo.

Pilger is a journalist like Shingo has a brain. Ha!

Palestinean terrorists using ambulances to ferry fighters and ammunition were caught on several occasions. So was a Greek cleric (Hilarion Capucci? from memory, a long time ago.) who did the same in his "diplomatic" limousine. Palestinean terrorists have also stolen UN vbehicles for the same purpose. The UN somehow didn't complain… else their staff in Pal neighborhoods would be at risk of reprisal.

I notice that you didn't bother to deny that the Palestinian "police" are terrorists. This wasn't Hitler's pool boy or Osama bin Ladin's driver we are talking about. These are armed Hamas terrorists. These are armed men working for a terrorist organization that has been firing rockets at Israeli civilians. Sounds like terrorists to me. 60th anniversary of what terrorist attack? As to 9/11 and Olmert. I see you've given up on fake quotes now and are just making shit up without taking the effort. If I were a Palestinian or a supporter of Palestinians, I would not be talking about reactions to 9/11. Their leaders were smart enough to pretend they didn't approve, but the Palestinian people celebrated the attacks. They danced in the streets and passed out candy. The Arafat's cabinet secretary, Ahmed Abdel Rahman, threatened the life of a cameraman who filmed the footage if the footage aired. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_Sep... 89 children, not 400. Pretty pathetic tally even if it had been 400 though. I mean, they go to all the trouble of sending a modern mechanized army with planes, bombs, artillery, and 10,000 soldiers into the area and even at the inflated figures of the Palestinians, only one soldier in 25 manages to bad a kid in 27 days of fighting? I mean, if you have that low a body count, you just aren't trying.

Hey, the quote about you admitting that your mother is a whore is exactly the same as your quote about Begin. "I provided it, along with the time and place it was made. No one has been able to debunk it." So until you debunk it, people should believe that you admit that your mother is a whore for exactly the same reason that they should believe that Begin said what your false quote says. It's called "reductio ad absurdum". One of the finer devices of logical argument. I simply took your argument "any quote or information, no matter how absurd, with an alleged identification of its source should be believed, despite all evidence to the contrary, until the source is produced by someone other than the person claiming the quote is real". I provided a quote, gave the source. So by your own standards, until you produce the original and show that the quote isn't in it, you are hoist in your own petard, Shingo, you self-confessed goatblowing son of a whore.

Heh, "doesn't go on the air".

Poor Jake goes ahuntin for a topic completely unrelated to the thread, desperately hoping that this will change the subject. He finds 2 cases and concludes from that there are "many other such outrageous cases in the Islamic world". Talk about extrapolating your heart out!!

"Shingo, ignoring you. " Transnational: i still haven't received my updates talking points from the Zionist mother ship and need to stall until they come through. A word of advice Jake, you don't ignore someone by repeatedly telling them you're ignoring them

You're so funny Jake. if you were ignoring me, you woudln't be constantly telling me you are ignoring me would you? Duh. I'm really getting you aren't I Jakey?

I thought you weer ignoring me Jake. Evidently you aren't. Too funny.

“No, the accusation is based on Israeli eyewitnesses.” In other words, they are lies. Hearsay mean nothing without corroborating account, The only time Israel showed footage of what they said were ambulances being used to transport rocket, it was debunked. “If I see you rob a store, and I say I saw you rob the store, that isn't hearsay.” If I'm a white supremacist and the person happens to be black, then my testimony is worthless. Read the paragraph again. What the Israeli spin doctor was saying is that Israel is trying to control what information gets to the public so that they can shape the narrative. These is another quote that goes with the one I provided that debunks your spin. Aviv Shir-On, deputy director general for media in the Israeli Foreign Ministry, told the Times during the winter bombardment, "We are trying to coordinate everything that has to do with the image and content of what we are doing…We have talking points and we try to disseminate our ideas and message." Hear that Thom? Israel want to control the content of what is being seen and heard. They are disseminating their ideas and the “message”. Goebells would be green with envy. You claimed to be a liberal, but your fanatical refusal to face up to reality is mind blowing. Israelis want to make sure that any formation that ciontradicts it's opwn official version is suppressed. Seems reasonable if you are want to control what people are being told. It's called fascism Thom, so I am glad you admit to your support for such an ideology. Once again, you are proven to be a liar and proud of it. “It banned the journalists because in Lebanon they had spilled military secrets to the enemy and made operations more dangerous by getting in the way.” As the Israeli Supreme Court Ruled, that is illegal. Israel is such an outlaw state, it even breaks it;s own laws.

How do you get such long posts? When I try a post that long the system just hangs. #1 That isn't a definition, just a fact. #2 When Palestinians target Israeli civilians, that is terrorism. When Palestinians target Israeli military targets that is an act of war. When Palestinians target Israeli military targets while wearing civilian clothing or waving a white flag, that is a war crime, but still not terrorism. #3 Israeli soldiers have a right to kill Palestinians that are reasonably perceived to be a threat. As to white flags, the Palestinians have a choice, they can choose (A) to have immunity from attack when waving a white flag, or (B) to be able to attack while waving a white flag. The Palestinians chose (B) and thus lost their immunity when waving a white flag but otherwise acting in a way similar to the way the Palestinian war-criminals do when they attack under a white flag. Same for civilian clothes. Same for storing weapons in civilian homes, same for storing weapons in mosques. The Palestinians choose to abuse every form of immunity from attack to use it to attack Israelis. Therefore, they lose that immunity.

#10: The Palestinian war criminals are not necessarily "cowards". They know that they can get killed too. They are scum because they deliberately put Israel in a position where they have to either (A) let the war criminals and terrorists freely kill Israelis or (B) fight back and sometimes kill the civilians that the Palestinian war criminals hide behind. The Palestinian war criminals want Palestinian civilians to die, they would rather have a PR victory and a dead child than a live child and no PR victory. In Gaza, Israel bombed Nazir Rayan's house/armory only after warning him to evacuate. He chose to stay with his family in the hope that Israel would care more about their lives than he did. #11 Quit bitching and learn English. It actually works out better for the Palestinians, since the main conduit for information about the Palestinian mindset is through their leaders who lie to the West. #12, blah blah blah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield "In November 2006, Palestinian women volunteered as human shields to allow the escape of Hamas gunmen from Israeli forces in Beit Hanoun in the Gaza Strip. The armed Palestinians had barricaded themselves in a mosque, which was surrounded by Israeli troops and tanks. According to a Hamas spokeman, a crowd of women gathered outside the mosque in response to an appeal on the local radio station for women to protect the Hamas fighters. The Palestinian gunmen escaped by dressing in women's clothes and hiding in the large group." There have also been instances of Israelis calling off an attack on a weapon storage house when they Palestinians were warned to evacuate and instead packed it with civilian women and children. "Also in the same month, the Israeli Air Force warned Mohammed Weil Baroud, a Palestinian leader said to be responsible for firing Qassam rockets at Israel, to evacuate his home in Beit Lahia in the Gaza Strip in advance of an airstrike. Instead, hundreds of Palestinians, including many women and children, gathered outside Baroud's house. Israel suspended the airstrike out of fear that the human shields would be killed or injured. In response to Israel's reaction, another Palestinian leader said: 'We have won. From now on we will form human chains around every house that is threatened with demolition.'[8] The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs claims Hamas now regularly uses human shields to protect the homes of Hamas officials.[9]" As to all Israelis are in the IDF. It doesn't work that way. The homes of ordinary civilians are not legitimate targets just because they happen to be in the reserves. The reason the Palestinian terrorists homes are military targets is because they use them to store arsenals.

LOL. Dentures. I like that. Sorry, I have all my teeth and walk just fine. Still, I would expect such a hallucination from a SCGBSOAW like you. You provided a link to a report that shows that Hezbollah used human shields. A report from people who were there, not a report from people who came in months later and parroted whatever lies Hezbollah said. The report you cited mentions video. Go do your own research.

Hey, you're the one who said you do it. The "quote" I posted proves it. Frankly, I am shocked at both your perverted behavior and your willingness to admit it in a valid source in 1982. BTW, this is exactly the topic at hand since the topic at hand is your fake quotes and who has the responsibility to prove it, the person making the positive claim, or the person who says "bullshit".

“As for disseminating the message. All governments do that.” Exactly, which is why only independent reporting and independent investigations can be trusted. No one is ever going to believe the what the Israeli government tells us because the one thing we know about war is that truth is the first casualty. Israel have nothing to gain but allowing the truth to be known. They want their spokespeople to give a consistent message, in spite of the facts. They want to avoid embarrassing incidents, or if that fails, they will deny them and cover them up, such as arguing that Hamas broke the ceasefire, while admitting that they did, or claim the attack on Gaza was to stop the rocket attacks, while admitting that there were no rocket attacks until they broke the ceasefire. The saddest example was Mark Regev trying to convince reporters that Israel wanted to work with the Red Cross, while they were blocking the Red Cross from getting to victims. Many Zionists blame anti-Semites fro inconvenient truths coming out. You and Jake for example, attack any Jew or Israeli that dares to speak out against Israel. If they’ve spoken ill of Israel, there is something wrong with them. They are self hating Jews or anti Semites. Israel used to have a free press. It now routinely arrests reporters when it’s not killing them. “The Israeli Supreme Court didn't say that keeping journalist out of active combat zones was illegal, just that keeping them out when the crossings are otherwise open is illegal. “ That’s called a discintion without a difference. Foreign journalists were blocked from entering Gaza by Isreal. The Foreign Press Association condemned the closure, saying: "We regard this as an unconscionable breach of the Israeli Government's responsibility to allow journalists to do their jobs in this region," further explaining that "the international media serve as the world's window into Gaza providing vital coverage of all aspects of Gazan life to news consumers around the world." I’m not lying Thom. I’m just raising inconvenient truth, which I know are anti Semitic by definition.

The quote was from someone who interviewed Meeshal. The important point si that this interview is consistent with intrerviews that other reporters have had with Meeshal, like Carter and Sy Hersh. Carter told us that: "They said that they would accept a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders, if approved by Palestinians, and that they would accept the right of Israel to live as a neighbor next door in peace, provided the agreements negotiated by Prime Minister Olmert and President Abbas were submitted to the Palestinians for their overall approval." Hersh, who interviewed .. for a story for the New Yorker recently that: "What we may—and Meshaal has said to me, in that visit and previous visits, “The Israelis keep on wanting me to talk about Israel publicly and say I recognize Israel. For a man of the resistance, that would be suicidal. But what I do say is—and I’ve said this, too, publicly”—and he said it to Carter—“I understand there’s a state called Israel.” And he’s not—he just won’t say what the Israelis want him to say." So here's the thing Thom. You can choose to obsess about the Hamas Charter and lock yourself into your belief that Hamas will never change and is commited to destoying Israel, or you can entertain the possibility that Hamas are becomming more moderate and more pragmatic. It's up to you.