http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 15:14:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html/comment-page-1#comment-97460 Citizen Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:05:40 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html#comment-97460 Why do you think Luntz is "super-talented"? I don't see that at all. I see a mediocre guy working as a pollster. I've watched him and his programs for a long time. I'd like to know how he got in his current favored slot since he and his questions and facilitation of answers are so very mediocre. Any reader here, do you have a clue? Why do you think Luntz is "super-talented"? I don't see that at all. I see a mediocre guy working as a pollster. I've watched him and his programs for a long time. I'd like to know how he got in his current favored slot since he and his questions and facilitation of answers are so very mediocre. Any reader here, do you have a clue?

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html/comment-page-1#comment-97459 Just Asking Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:01:45 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html#comment-97459 "Words that Work." By Orwell? BTW, why is it that when US K1-14 Education discusses Orwell it uses the NazI Germany context much more than the Bolshevik context? "Words that Work." By Orwell? BTW, why is it that when US K1-14 Education discusses Orwell it uses the NazI Germany context much more than the Bolshevik context?

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html/comment-page-1#comment-97458 Citizen Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:54:00 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html#comment-97458 Why Richard, Goebbels would agree with you completely. Certainly he was at least as internally conflicted as yourself, but like you, he finally shat and got off the pot. The diversity of Israel in hasbara context is a selling point to persuade the ignorant; it relies on the stone age Arab regimes to make its point--but OTH Israel is far removed from the accepted USA diversity values, yet it is sold as an equal, to horrible impact on the US and Palestinians. Your critique lacks honesty. Why Richard, Goebbels would agree with you completely. Certainly he was at least as internally conflicted as yourself, but like you, he finally shat and got off the pot. The diversity of Israel in hasbara context is a selling point to persuade the ignorant; it relies on the stone age Arab regimes to make its point–but OTH Israel is far removed from the accepted USA diversity values, yet it is sold as an equal, to horrible impact on the US and Palestinians. Your critique lacks honesty.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html/comment-page-1#comment-97455 Citizen Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:43:41 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html#comment-97455 "makes me wonder, as usual, whether Luntz is Jewish, whether Ephron is Jewish, and how much Jewish-Zionist identity comes into play here." Phil's being cute. He knows full well both are Jewish. Or does he also wonder if Mearsheimer is Jewish? No. He knows equally well that Mister Mearsheimer is a German American, as well he knows Walt is married to a Jewish American woman. Anybody care to guess why Phil's being cute in this instance? Often he doesn't bother, and lays it right out. "makes me wonder, as usual, whether Luntz is Jewish, whether Ephron is Jewish, and how much Jewish-Zionist identity comes into play here." Phil's being cute. He knows full well both are Jewish. Or does he also wonder if Mearsheimer is Jewish? No. He knows equally well that Mister Mearsheimer is a German American, as well he knows Walt is married to a Jewish American woman. Anybody care to guess why Phil's being cute in this instance? Often he doesn't bother, and lays it right out.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html/comment-page-1#comment-97452 Un-Natural Growth Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:52:12 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html#comment-97452 Luntz is super-talented, and it's shameful to see his talents being used to prettify ethnic cleansing and the worst humanitarian disaster of our times. The Israel Project's Dictionary of Hasbara is a form of propaganda meant to manipulate the American public to continue funding the IDF's landgrab. Dan Ephron is pathetic. If you read the comments following the Newsweak article, you'll see that the readers are not falling for Ephron's own one-sided cheerleading of the Israel Project's nefarious talking points. He's roundly flamed, and deservedly so. Luntz is super-talented, and it's shameful to see his talents being used to prettify ethnic cleansing and the worst humanitarian disaster of our times. The Israel Project's Dictionary of Hasbara is a form of propaganda meant to manipulate the American public to continue funding the IDF's landgrab. Dan Ephron is pathetic. If you read the comments following the Newsweak article, you'll see that the readers are not falling for Ephron's own one-sided cheerleading of the Israel Project's nefarious talking points. He's roundly flamed, and deservedly so.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html/comment-page-1#comment-97451 ILA Sun, 12 Jul 2009 11:03:17 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html#comment-97451 It is unsurprising TIP uses Frank Luntz services. There is a wonderful video of Frank on C-SPAN talking about how he wants to retire the term "offshore drilling" for the fuzzier "deep sea energy exploration". He then blatantly lies about the amount of oil spills from offshore drilling platforms during Katrina. It's classic Luntz obfuscation which the media celebrated for about a year while he did the promotion tour of his book "Words that Work". It is unsurprising TIP uses Frank Luntz services. There is a wonderful video of Frank on C-SPAN talking about how he wants to retire the term "offshore drilling" for the fuzzier "deep sea energy exploration". He then blatantly lies about the amount of oil spills from offshore drilling platforms during Katrina. It's classic Luntz obfuscation which the media celebrated for about a year while he did the promotion tour of his book "Words that Work".

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html/comment-page-1#comment-97454 Tenma Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:41:12 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html#comment-97454 He left in the parenthetical explanation at the bottom of his post, which is sure to cause confusion. All part of Phil's plan to plant the seeds of Chaos. He left in the parenthetical explanation at the bottom of his post, which is sure to cause confusion. All part of Phil's plan to plant the seeds of Chaos.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html/comment-page-1#comment-97457 RichardWitty Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:15:10 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html#comment-97457 Hasbara buster. How do you distinguish sincere comments that contain some of the language of the TIP dictionary, and passively or actively propagandistic ones? You know that propaganda only appeals if there is some element of truth in the comments. So, to knee-jerk that every use of "Israel is a diverse society", is a paliative rather than a value to encourage, ends up just dismissing, rather than critically assessing. Hasbara buster. How do you distinguish sincere comments that contain some of the language of the TIP dictionary, and passively or actively propagandistic ones? You know that propaganda only appeals if there is some element of truth in the comments. So, to knee-jerk that every use of "Israel is a diverse society", is a paliative rather than a value to encourage, ends up just dismissing, rather than critically assessing.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html/comment-page-1#comment-97456 DICKERSON3870 Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:24:30 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html#comment-97456 They aren't lies. They're just 'talking points'. PS. I call it The Israel Project's 2009 Global Language "Fictionary"! They aren't lies. They're just 'talking points'. PS. I call it The Israel Project's 2009 Global Language "Fictionary"!

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html/comment-page-1#comment-97453 Electric_Jesus Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:21:56 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/newsweek-makes-my-hinder-tired.html#comment-97453 CORRECTION: My hinder makes my hinder tired! If it isn't one thing then it's another. Sometimes the hinder can be such a hindrance. PS. Of course, now Phil has replaced the hinder reference in the title with the namby-pamby notion. Journalists can be so tempermental! CORRECTION: My hinder makes my hinder tired! If it isn't one thing then it's another. Sometimes the hinder can be such a hindrance. PS. Of course, now Phil has replaced the hinder reference in the title with the namby-pamby notion. Journalists can be so tempermental!

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