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	<title>Comments on: Sabrosky: I express my Jewish identity in cuisine, not foreign policy</title>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have eight Jewish great-parents, four Jewish grandparents and two Jewish parents and I cannot praise Alan Sabrosky&#039;s essay enough. Every word is right on target.    It is way past time that people understand that when Israeli supporters sling out the epithet of &quot;anti-Semitism&quot; or &quot;self-hating&quot; that is only a means of either shutting down conversation or ensuring that those who tell the truth about the Jewish state will be silenced.    It hasn&#039;t worked and it won&#039;t work. The truth will make everyone free.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have eight Jewish great-parents, four Jewish grandparents and two Jewish parents and I cannot praise Alan Sabrosky&#039;s essay enough. Every word is right on target.    It is way past time that people understand that when Israeli supporters sling out the epithet of &quot;anti-Semitism&quot; or &quot;self-hating&quot; that is only a means of either shutting down conversation or ensuring that those who tell the truth about the Jewish state will be silenced.    It hasn&#039;t worked and it won&#039;t work. The truth will make everyone free.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed al Sarafi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohammed al Sarafi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do most anti-zionists and members of the radical left have absolutely no interest in Darfur, where hundreds of thousands of civilians were murdered brutally by hordes of arab militias? because there is no way to blame it on the jews! Zionism is a legitimate and necessary ideological movement, not because Jews are superior to non-jews, but because the non-jews try to wipe out the jews every few decades.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do most anti-zionists and members of the radical left have absolutely no interest in Darfur, where hundreds of thousands of civilians were murdered brutally by hordes of arab militias? because there is no way to blame it on the jews! Zionism is a legitimate and necessary ideological movement, not because Jews are superior to non-jews, but because the non-jews try to wipe out the jews every few decades.</p>
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		<title>By: David_F</title>
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		<dc:creator>David_F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 07:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nation made up of people who cannot place the good of the nation over the good of their own group is not a nation.     If an American Jew cannot decisively put the interests of the US over Israel when they come in conflict, than he or she should move to Israel. In this I agree wholeheartedly with Zionist ideology. Otherwise he or she is simply replaying the parasitic role that Hertzl detested and sought to end with a truly independent Jewish state.     The dual-loyalty issue is not going to go away. It demands a direct answer, if only to oneself.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nation made up of people who cannot place the good of the nation over the good of their own group is not a nation.     If an American Jew cannot decisively put the interests of the US over Israel when they come in conflict, than he or she should move to Israel. In this I agree wholeheartedly with Zionist ideology. Otherwise he or she is simply replaying the parasitic role that Hertzl detested and sought to end with a truly independent Jewish state.     The dual-loyalty issue is not going to go away. It demands a direct answer, if only to oneself.</p>
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		<title>By: Duscany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duscany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand why you might want people to stay away from the &quot;dual loyalty&quot; issue. But asserting the primacy of loyalty to your community is really just another way saying that, in your book, when it comes to America or Israel, Israel comes first.. Well, phooey on that. This country doesn&#039;t work unless we have a civic culture that equally values all Americans, not  just those from one&#039;s own tribe.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand why you might want people to stay away from the &quot;dual loyalty&quot; issue. But asserting the primacy of loyalty to your community is really just another way saying that, in your book, when it comes to America or Israel, Israel comes first.. Well, phooey on that. This country doesn&#039;t work unless we have a civic culture that equally values all Americans, not  just those from one&#039;s own tribe.</p>
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		<title>By: An0nym0us Poster</title>
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		<dc:creator>An0nym0us Poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, here is the link:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Piper/2009/06/Piper_1_061109_200000.mp3&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Piper/2009/06/P...&lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Piper/2009/06/P...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, here is the link:  <a href="http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Piper/2009/06/Piper_1_061109_200000.mp3" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Piper/2009/06/P...</a></p>
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		<title>By: An0nym0us Poster</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/not-quite-an-odyssey-phil-asked-me-to-consider-writing-something-about-how-i-came-to-the-middle-east-conundrum-we-face.html/comment-page-1#comment-96753</link>
		<dc:creator>An0nym0us Poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an outstanding interview with Alan Sabrosky:    &lt;b&gt;  Guests : Gary Brummett &amp; Alan Sabrosky Perceptions of USS Liberty attack and reluctance of career soldiers to discuss it. Israeli wars and the problems of occupation.&lt;a href=&quot;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an outstanding interview with Alan Sabrosky:    <b>  Guests : Gary Brummett &amp; Alan Sabrosky Perceptions of USS Liberty attack and reluctance of career soldiers to discuss it. Israeli wars and the problems of occupation.<a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a></b></p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder22</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, you overdo your fascist equations. I too have still mixed sentiments concerning the topic  &quot;dual loyalty&quot; but your easy equation of &quot;dual loyalty&quot; with fascism is completely unhistorical. I&#039;d suggest you look at the entry in Wikipedia:      &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_loyalty&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_loyalty&lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_loyalty&lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_loyalty&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;      On American ground it seems to have been a suspicion against Catholics initially:      Moderator&#039;s addendum about conditions in the United States ... in American politics the accusation of dual loyalty has historically been associated with anti-Catholicism. During the presidential campaign of 1884 there was an outcry against a Republican speaker who associated the Democratic Party with &quot;rum, Romanism, and rebellion,&quot; but a standard reference book, _The Reader&#039;s Companion to American History_, says that this contributed little to the Democrats&#039; subsequent victory. And anti-Catholicism certainly did play a part in the elections of 1928 and 1960, when the Democrats nominated Catholic candidates for President.      I have to admit I found this interesting given Bismarck&#039;s (the Prussian&#039;s) anti-Catholic hysteria and laws.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, you overdo your fascist equations. I too have still mixed sentiments concerning the topic  &quot;dual loyalty&quot; but your easy equation of &quot;dual loyalty&quot; with fascism is completely unhistorical. I&#039;d suggest you look at the entry in Wikipedia:      <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_loyalty" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_loyalty</a>      On American ground it seems to have been a suspicion against Catholics initially:      Moderator&#039;s addendum about conditions in the United States &#8230; in American politics the accusation of dual loyalty has historically been associated with anti-Catholicism. During the presidential campaign of 1884 there was an outcry against a Republican speaker who associated the Democratic Party with &quot;rum, Romanism, and rebellion,&quot; but a standard reference book, _The Reader&#039;s Companion to American History_, says that this contributed little to the Democrats&#039; subsequent victory. And anti-Catholicism certainly did play a part in the elections of 1928 and 1960, when the Democrats nominated Catholic candidates for President.      I have to admit I found this interesting given Bismarck&#039;s (the Prussian&#039;s) anti-Catholic hysteria and laws.</p>
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		<title>By: chu</title>
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		<dc:creator>chu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Phil, consider yourself on the enemies list. The ideas you mention resonate with me, in that so many problems in the Middle East are a seen a success to these Zionist scam-artists. They seem to get on a &#039;high&#039; when they can deceive people. David Frum, who thinks he is a real genius, is a prime example of this wretched stereotype.    As soon as this type of filth can be exposed in the sunlight, which we want to help bring about, the sooner things can change. But the Zionist pig enjoys this dark game and I don&#039;t think it will ever change.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Phil, consider yourself on the enemies list. The ideas you mention resonate with me, in that so many problems in the Middle East are a seen a success to these Zionist scam-artists. They seem to get on a &#039;high&#039; when they can deceive people. David Frum, who thinks he is a real genius, is a prime example of this wretched stereotype.    As soon as this type of filth can be exposed in the sunlight, which we want to help bring about, the sooner things can change. But the Zionist pig enjoys this dark game and I don&#039;t think it will ever change.</p>
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		<title>By: Nostalgic4Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nostalgic4Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for revealing you hear voices in your head, rabid, foaming anti-semites careening around inside your dome,  roller-skating forever on the hard bone circumference.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for revealing you hear voices in your head, rabid, foaming anti-semites careening around inside your dome,  roller-skating forever on the hard bone circumference.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sabrosky talked about &quot;this ultra-Zionist/neo-con cancer.&quot; Why do you conflate that distinction with &quot;the Jewish cancer&quot;?       </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sabrosky talked about &quot;this ultra-Zionist/neo-con cancer.&quot; Why do you conflate that distinction with &quot;the Jewish cancer&quot;?</p>
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