http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 15:21:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html/comment-page-1#comment-98874 Shingo Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:43:27 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html#comment-98874 "All the non Jews that come here come to hear what the progressive Jews tell them to believe." So are you a progressive Jew, or do you come here to be told whatto believe thedhimmi? "All the non Jews that come here come to hear what the progressive Jews tell them to believe." So are you a progressive Jew, or do you come here to be told whatto believe thedhimmi?

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html/comment-page-1#comment-98871 RichardWitty Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:41:31 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html#comment-98871 You don't feel an urgency to be heard, that there is a need for the Palestinians' story to be heard? You don't feel an urgency to be heard, that there is a need for the Palestinians' story to be heard?

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html/comment-page-1#comment-98861 seham Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:10:55 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html#comment-98861 "I am a member of several groups, some of which are Jewish anti-Zionist. We have events and speakers, often trying to include Palestinians who are also active." Hi Sylvia, please don't misunderstand: I appreciate support from Jewish solidarity groups and most (if not all) Palestinians do so as well. I am not blaming or criticizing Jews at all for what the MSM does since I rely on people like Phil and Adam to convey the messages from Palestine that the MSM would likely ignore if not for the fact that our movement is growing with Jews who work alongside us and who have more credibility than we do. Some might say that my criticism of the MSM (or the white man...whatever) is misdirected because they are controlled by Zionist lobby groups but I disagree. The U.S. has been able to get away with murder, literally, all over the world and in the U.S. for a very long time before there was a Zionist lobby group. "Your example that a Tibetan doesn't need to have a Chinese to affirm his viewpoint is not relevant. Tibetans have had less success in getting their story across to the Chinese people than Palestinians have (recently)." Again, I was referring to the MSM in the U.S. who write about Darfur and Tibet from the perspective of those people and without attempting to "balance out" the messages of those people by also reporting on Chinese or Sudanese propaganda. "I am a member of several groups, some of which are Jewish anti-Zionist. We have events and speakers, often trying to include Palestinians who are also active." Hi Sylvia, please don't misunderstand: I appreciate support from Jewish solidarity groups and most (if not all) Palestinians do so as well. I am not blaming or criticizing Jews at all for what the MSM does since I rely on people like Phil and Adam to convey the messages from Palestine that the MSM would likely ignore if not for the fact that our movement is growing with Jews who work alongside us and who have more credibility than we do. Some might say that my criticism of the MSM (or the white man…whatever) is misdirected because they are controlled by Zionist lobby groups but I disagree. The U.S. has been able to get away with murder, literally, all over the world and in the U.S. for a very long time before there was a Zionist lobby group. "Your example that a Tibetan doesn't need to have a Chinese to affirm his viewpoint is not relevant. Tibetans have had less success in getting their story across to the Chinese people than Palestinians have (recently)." Again, I was referring to the MSM in the U.S. who write about Darfur and Tibet from the perspective of those people and without attempting to "balance out" the messages of those people by also reporting on Chinese or Sudanese propaganda.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html/comment-page-1#comment-98870 seham Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:01:58 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html#comment-98870 All of it. All of it.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html/comment-page-1#comment-98873 Un-Natural Growth Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:40:30 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html#comment-98873 Way wrong. Palestinians are at the heart of this website. Compassionate, progressive Jews make it possible. Way wrong. Palestinians are at the heart of this website. Compassionate, progressive Jews make it possible.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html/comment-page-1#comment-98814 thedhimmi Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:52:32 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html#comment-98814 This blog is about progressive Jewish feelings. Palestinians really don't count here. It's Phil, Adam, Max Blumenthal, Antony Lowenstein etc. etc. All the non Jews that come here come to hear what the progressive Jews tell them to believe. It's really pitiful. This blog is about progressive Jewish feelings. Palestinians really don't count here. It's Phil, Adam, Max Blumenthal, Antony Lowenstein etc. etc. All the non Jews that come here come to hear what the progressive Jews tell them to believe. It's really pitiful.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html/comment-page-1#comment-98869 Richard Witty Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:42:32 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html#comment-98869 Or he could listen to me, to gain insight into what kind of communication WOULD be effective at reaching people. Or he could listen to me, to gain insight into what kind of communication WOULD be effective at reaching people.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html/comment-page-1#comment-98851 Richard Witty Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:40:52 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html#comment-98851 Actually, most sabras are taught the opposite. What happens when someone breaks through the victim psychology, is that they are in a position to CHOOSE, to choose how to speak, to choose how to act, to choose how to apologize if that is honest. Its when people are told, and believe, that there is no other choice but to shell civilians for example, to resist in a particular form if at all, that their CHOICE is stolen from them. Actually, most sabras are taught the opposite. What happens when someone breaks through the victim psychology, is that they are in a position to CHOOSE, to choose how to speak, to choose how to act, to choose how to apologize if that is honest. Its when people are told, and believe, that there is no other choice but to shell civilians for example, to resist in a particular form if at all, that their CHOICE is stolen from them.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html/comment-page-1#comment-98840 Richard Witty Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:36:08 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html#comment-98840 Both seek to dismiss the other. Better that each listen. Both seek to dismiss the other. Better that each listen.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html/comment-page-1#comment-98872 Citizen Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:16:11 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/seham-responds-to-my-post-about-jewish-identity-and-peoples-engagement-on-israelpalestinei-get-a-lot-of-flack-you-know-how.html#comment-98872 Yes. Seham needs to realize more fully that nobody gets anywhere in US politics unless they tow the Zionist line. He needs to know how US political campaigns are financed, and how the white Americans he wants to reach with the Palestinian narrative are not focused on a single ethno-centric issue but actually are so assimilated they view themselves as Americans first. Yes. Seham needs to realize more fully that nobody gets anywhere in US politics unless they tow the Zionist line. He needs to know how US political campaigns are financed, and how the white Americans he wants to reach with the Palestinian narrative are not focused on a single ethno-centric issue but actually are so assimilated they view themselves as Americans first.

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