Comments on: Recalling the rise of the ‘Sex Pistols’ naturally leaves a body somewhat cynical about the Tehran uprising

By: Sean2009

Sean2009 — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:11:48 +0000

Substitute "Mossad" for CIA and that's pretty much what occurred. Hamas was largely funded by Sharon's government at the beginning to use as a counterweight to the PLO. The PLO was launching a "peace offensive" at the UN against Israel, was doing such terrible things as engaging in unilateral cease-fires, recognizing Israel and calling for peace deals that Israel desperately needed rescue by Palestinian hardliners to justify its continued repression and land-theft in Palestine. Hamas was Johnny on the spot just when Israel needed a few good suicide bombings to derail the "peace process." " target="_blank">http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2477/

By: Citizen

Citizen — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:18:17 +0000

Truly great detective work, Fineline. Thank you so much! Fineline · 1 hour ago "Preparing for regime change from below " "A Steady squeeze on Iran" by A Sandhu ( Asia Times (4,7,07) "Since last year, a newly created office of Iranian affairs led by Elizabeth Cheney is financing a large number of civil-society groups under the Iran Democracy Project that "must outline activities linked to reform and demonstrate how the proposed approach would achieve sustainable impact in Iran". [15] In a repeat of the pattern of the "color" revolutions of the recent past, the United States is funding a number of civil-society groups via the National Endowment of Democracy (NED). The US Congress is increasing funding for the Iran Democracy Project: $66.1 million in 2006; $85 million for 2007; and $100 million for 2008. [16] During 2008, 75% of the fund will be designated for the support of civil-society and human-rights projects in Iran. …The NED-affiliated International Republican Institute has been providing training to groups and individuals from Iran outside the country on what could be called non-violent civil disobedience, but is in fact a preparation for regime change from inside. "

By: Citizen

Citizen — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:15:10 +0000

That is very plausible until you think about whether Israel would allow such intervention; I doubt it–they wish to control anything involving risk management and they are on the ground there.

By: JoachimMartillo

JoachimMartillo — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:44:26 +0000

The same techniques used to manufacture music celebrities were used to create Hagee: RJC and CUFI Incite Islamophobia. Never forget that just as Jewish Zionist operatives with the US government use US power to subvert other nations to the benefit of Zionism, Jewish Zionists use the exact same techniques to subvert the USA.

By: Citizen

Citizen — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:39:59 +0000

I don't disagree with you. Your ending sentence raises a key question. It would clarify matters. Too bad that information is no doubt security classified.

By: Fineline

Fineline — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:51:44 +0000

"Preparing for regime change from below " "A Steady squeeze on Iran" by A Sandhu ( Asia Times (4,7,07) "Since last year, a newly created office of Iranian affairs led by Elizabeth Cheney is financing a large number of civil-society groups under the Iran Democracy Project that "must outline activities linked to reform and demonstrate how the proposed approach would achieve sustainable impact in Iran". [15] In a repeat of the pattern of the "color" revolutions of the recent past, the United States is funding a number of civil-society groups via the National Endowment of Democracy (NED). The US Congress is increasing funding for the Iran Democracy Project: $66.1 million in 2006; $85 million for 2007; and $100 million for 2008. [16] During 2008, 75% of the fund will be designated for the support of civil-society and human-rights projects in Iran. …The NED-affiliated International Republican Institute has been providing training to groups and individuals from Iran outside the country on what could be called non-violent civil disobedience, but is in fact a preparation for regime change from inside. "

By: LeaNder22

LeaNder22 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 22:48:56 +0000

The Egypt example versus Iran can be easily explained by news values theory. Clearly Iran has been hammered into people's minds, resulting in public interest concerning the election (Agenda setting). So Iran has developed quite a bit of "currency" during Bush's reign, scroll a bit down to the news values, it's the blue table about center of the page below: " target="_blank">http://www.mediaknowall.com/gcsenews.html " target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_values#Defining... ************************************************************** citizen, I am not denying that money may have flowed into Iranian reform quarters. But since Phil's wife uses the PR/marketing analogy, sometimes money is ill spent too. I witnessed huge flows of money into really ill conceived marketing or PR campaigns. There are few really creative minds in the field, much fast copying going on, and the main prerequisite for a real good blueprint is exquisite basic data of the context. There is not much humint on the ground as far as I know. So where exactly did it flow? The argument about US influence basically rests on a known number and takes a free imaginative flight from there. How much of it was diverted for US based well paid media and information campaigns. We simply do not know enough about what exactly was done with the money. In Bush times I witnessed quite a few really odd but US funded and based campaigns. One caught my attention since they somehow used Patrick Lang in a peculiar way. Unfortunately I am not storing these matters. But I expect that the knowledge about a big pot of money will automatically create quite a bit of efforts to tap into it. So to whom did it flow, via whom and how?

By: thedhimmi

thedhimmi — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:08:30 +0000

I agree with Phil's wife. There is no way Oswald should have been brought out in a garage with hundreds of people surrounding him. The police didn't worry about security in the 1960's? I will always believe that was a setup.

By: thedhimmi

thedhimmi — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:02:12 +0000

It appeared to me that Mousavi and his wife were the driving force behind the demonstrations. Phil and Antony who see a conspiracy everywhere may think the CIA planted them and brainwashed Mousavi to be a willing martyr, but it really doesn't appear credible.

By: A.S.

A.S. — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:58:41 +0000

I wish Philip would quote people who actually know a thing or two about Iran, and there are many such people. Instead we get this superficial BS about how some guy thinks about the Sex Pistols.