http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Mon, 28 May 2012 15:21:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-96957 Shingo Sun, 12 Jul 2009 07:03:02 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html#comment-96957 "I disagree with the thesis of Parry" Too bad. Parry has made a case. You haven't. "I disagree with the thesis of Parry" Too bad. Parry has made a case. You haven't.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-96959 estebanfolsom Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:46:09 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html#comment-96959 yes new zealand if you put a straight line through a globe [of earth] you will find switzerland is almost exactly opposite n z [latitude / longitude] fyi yes new zealand if you put a straight line through a globe [of earth] you will find switzerland is almost exactly opposite n z [latitude / longitude] fyi

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-96952 Nth Republic Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:29:23 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html#comment-96952 Uzi Arad really makes me nervous. That quote about his battle plan for attacking Iran, in which he wanted to "strike all their holiest sites" captured his lunacy perfectly. There is a tendency among Israelis especially, but maybe among all people (Phil does it himself, with Herzl), to seek out and glorify examples of productive members of society or heroes that represent ones own heritage. The way Arad speaks of Herman Kahn in the above passage is a textbook example of this, wherein Kahn is elevated to a mythic status. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with taking pride in the "best and brightest" of one's own ethnic or national heritage, so long as it doesn't lead to a sense of superiority or entitlement. I do it as well, I confess: I enjoy reading about James Connolly and Sartre, minus the Zionism of the latter, (I'm ethnically Irish and French), but I don't limit my biographical study to people that share my ethnic bloodline like Arad and so many other Zionists do. The other major difference is that I'm not an architect of war policy for an aggressive nation with nuclear capability. Arad is a sociopath. Uzi Arad really makes me nervous. That quote about his battle plan for attacking Iran, in which he wanted to "strike all their holiest sites" captured his lunacy perfectly. There is a tendency among Israelis especially, but maybe among all people (Phil does it himself, with Herzl), to seek out and glorify examples of productive members of society or heroes that represent ones own heritage. The way Arad speaks of Herman Kahn in the above passage is a textbook example of this, wherein Kahn is elevated to a mythic status. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with taking pride in the "best and brightest" of one's own ethnic or national heritage, so long as it doesn't lead to a sense of superiority or entitlement. I do it as well, I confess: I enjoy reading about James Connolly and Sartre, minus the Zionism of the latter, (I'm ethnically Irish and French), but I don't limit my biographical study to people that share my ethnic bloodline like Arad and so many other Zionists do. The other major difference is that I'm not an architect of war policy for an aggressive nation with nuclear capability. Arad is a sociopath.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-96956 Chauncey Sat, 11 Jul 2009 01:05:31 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html#comment-96956 IT'S NOT YOUR LAND! IT'S NOT YOUR LAND!

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-96951 Andrew Felluss Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:48:30 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html#comment-96951 Nihilism on the behalf of the "ancient jewish people"? rarely does zionist thought produce anything coherent or inspiring. Nihilism on the behalf of the "ancient jewish people"? rarely does zionist thought produce anything coherent or inspiring.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-96958 American Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:08:23 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html#comment-96958 Yeah we are all scared to death of a country we have to support with 3 bilion dollars year that got their asses kicked by rag tag hezbollah.. Yeah we are all scared to death of a country we have to support with 3 bilion dollars year that got their asses kicked by rag tag hezbollah..

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-96950 American Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:05:33 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html#comment-96950 A real world war...total war , including use of nukes, would leave only four or five suriving areas that could come back..., Russia, China, the North American continent , Africa and the Arab ME... because of their locations and land mass. Israel would be gone in the blink of a eye, Europe would go next. Russia would come out the least damaged, the Arab ME would re-populate the fastest. The best place to be would be New Zeland,it would probably be overlooked in a world war because a total war would be finished for all practical purposes in a short time frame. A real world war…total war , including use of nukes, would leave only four or five suriving areas that could come back…, Russia, China, the North American continent , Africa and the Arab ME… because of their locations and land mass. Israel would be gone in the blink of a eye, Europe would go next. Russia would come out the least damaged, the Arab ME would re-populate the fastest. The best place to be would be New Zeland,it would probably be overlooked in a world war because a total war would be finished for all practical purposes in a short time frame.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-96955 eitanbenshlomo Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:47:51 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html#comment-96955 I disagree with the thesis of Parry. I disagree with the thesis of Parry.

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-96954 DICKERSON3870 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:42:27 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html#comment-96954 RE: "The Jewish people need to be granted full rights in our land." SEE: "Ancient Israeli Myths Deter Peace", By Robert Parry, 07/09/09  (EXCERPT) The rationale for formally designating Israel a Jewish state – as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu now demands – rests on three religious-political pillars: God’s purported covenant with Moses instructing the ancient Israelites to conquer the land, the injustice of the Roman-era Diaspora that supposedly removed them centuries later, and the brutal persecution of European Jews in the Holocaust.  Yet, two of these pillars – Moses conveying God’s covenant to the Israelites and the Roman Diaspora – appear based on almost no historical reality, the stuff of legend and possibly even lies that crumble under any serious scrutiny.  Normally, such ancient stories might be regarded as harmless tales that some people treasure as part of their Judeo-Christian faiths, except that Netanyahu’s new demand means that these myths now threaten peace in the Middle East and conceivably could push the modern world into more bloody warfare. Therefore, they must be given fresh examination....  ENTIRE ARTICLE - <a href="http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/070809.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/070809.html</a rel="nofollow">" target="_blank">http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/070809.html</a></a> RE: "The Jewish people need to be granted full rights in our land." SEE: "Ancient Israeli Myths Deter Peace", By Robert Parry, 07/09/09  (EXCERPT) The rationale for formally designating Israel a Jewish state – as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu now demands – rests on three religious-political pillars: God’s purported covenant with Moses instructing the ancient Israelites to conquer the land, the injustice of the Roman-era Diaspora that supposedly removed them centuries later, and the brutal persecution of European Jews in the Holocaust.  Yet, two of these pillars – Moses conveying God’s covenant to the Israelites and the Roman Diaspora – appear based on almost no historical reality, the stuff of legend and possibly even lies that crumble under any serious scrutiny.  Normally, such ancient stories might be regarded as harmless tales that some people treasure as part of their Judeo-Christian faiths, except that Netanyahu’s new demand means that these myths now threaten peace in the Middle East and conceivably could push the modern world into more bloody warfare. Therefore, they must be given fresh examination….  ENTIRE ARTICLE - http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/070809.html

]]> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html/comment-page-1#comment-96949 PeterHofmann Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:40:24 +0000 http://d1825805.u264.foliopress.net/2009/07/some-in-the-middle-east-seem-to-want-a-world-war.html#comment-96949 "Like Kahn, I was one of the hawks. One of my projects was a paper for the Pentagon on planning a limited nuclear war in Central Europe. " I live in central europe. I like this guy. "Like Kahn, I was one of the hawks. One of my projects was a paper for the Pentagon on planning a limited nuclear war in Central Europe. " I live in central europe. I like this guy.

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