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		<title>By: tree</title>
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		<dc:creator>tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, to be fair, she was protecting the house of a civilian which Israel was in the process of demolishing. After her death, and after the house was demolished,  no tunnels were found under the home.  If you are really interested in truth and justice, please read  this report from October of 2004 of Human Rights Watches investigation of Israel&#039;s razing of 2500 houses in Rafah, Gaza.  Here&#039;s a short excerpt from the summary, but please read the whole report:

 &lt;blockquote&gt;The Israeli military argues that house demolitions in Rafah are necessary primarily for two reasons: to deal with smuggling tunnels from Egypt that run underneath the IDF-controlled border and to protect IDF forces on the border from attack.Rafah is the &quot;gateway to terror,&quot; officials say the entrance point for weapons used by Palestinian armed groups against the Israeli military and civilians.Under international law, the IDF has the right to close smuggling tunnels, to respond to attacks on its forces, and to take preventive measures to avoid further attacks.But such measures are strictly regulated by the provisions of international humanitarian law, which balance the interests of the Occupying Power against those of the civilian population.

In the case of Rafah, it is difficult to reconcile the IDF&#039;s stated rationales with the widespread destruction that has taken place.On the contrary, the manner and pattern of destruction appears to be consistent with the plan to clear Palestinians from the border area, irrespective of specific threats.
Tunnels

The IDF argues that an extensive network of smuggling tunnels from Egypt require incursions into Rafah that result in house demolitions.According to the IDF, a typical tunnel-hunting operation requires Israeli forces to destroy a house covering a tunnel exit as well as houses from which Palestinian gunmen fire at them during the operation.

Based on interviews with the IDF, Rafah residents, the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), members of Palestinian armed groups, and independent experts on clandestine tunnels, Human Rights Watch concludes that the IDF has consistently exaggerated and mischaracterized the threat from smuggling tunnels to justify the demolition of homes.There is no dispute that tunnels exist to smuggle contraband, including small arms and explosives used by Palestinian armed groups, into the Gaza Strip.But despite the tremendous burden that demolitions have imposed on the civilian population, the IDF has failed to explain why non-destructive means for detecting and neutralizing tunnels employed in places like the Mexico-United States border and the Korean demilitarized zone (DMZ) cannot be used along the Rafah border.Moreover, it has at times dealt with tunnels in a puzzlingly ineffective manner that is inconsistent with the supposed gravity of this longstanding threat.The report makes three main points:

    * Shafts vs. Tunnels. Israeli officials claim to have uncovered approximately ninety tunnels in Rafah since 2000, giving the impression of a vast and burgeoning underground flow of arms into Gaza.When pressed about these claims, the IDF admitted the figure refers to tunnel entrance shafts, some of which connect to existing tunnels and others of which connect to nothing at all.Rather than digging new tunnels, an IDF spokesman told Human Rights Watch, smugglers are often trying to connect to cross-border tunnels that already exist.This is possible in part because, until 2003, the IDF did not seek to close the tunnels themselves, but merely demolished the Rafah homes in which tunnel entrance shafts operative or inoperative were found.This tactic caused much destruction and homelessness while leaving tunnels largely intact.Soldiers have been venturing inside tunnels since 2003, though an IDF spokesman told Human Rights Watch that the military does not have the technology to collapse lateral portions of tunnels.In response to an inquiry from Human Rights Watch, the IDF refused to specify how many tunnels versus entrances had been discovered and destroyed.The IDF&#039;s approach namely, the use of ineffective methods for two years, followed by unclear improvements contrasts sharply with alarmist Israeli statements on tunnels and the flow of arms.

    * Inoperative Tunnels. In at least three cases, the IDF has destroyed houses containing inoperative tunnels.In July 2004, residents discovered and reported to the PNA an incomplete shaft in an empty house.A few days later, the IDF destroyed the house and seventeen other houses nearby, leaving 205 people homeless as well as a factory.Human Rights Watch&#039;s onsite assessment just after the incursion, as well as interviews with eyewitnesses and a representative of a Palestinian armed group, indicated that the destruction was militarily unnecessary; even in the home with the tunnel entrance, demolition of the whole house was an excessive response to an incomplete shaft that could have been effectively sealed with concrete.Human Rights Watch documented two other cases in which the IDF appears to have destroyed houses with tunnel shafts that had already been sealed by the PNA.The IDF claims that PNA closures are incomplete.

    * Alternatives to Home Demolition. According to tunnel experts consulted by Human Rights Watch, a number of less destructive alternatives exist for the effective detection and destruction of smuggling tunnels.No one method is guaranteed to work in all situations, but different techniques can compensate for each other&#039;s shortcomings, and overall conditions in Rafah favor the IDF: Only four kilometers of the border run alongside Rafah, and tunnel depth is limited by the water table approximately forty-five meters in the camp.In this environment, the IDF could install an array of underground seismic sensors along the border.Known as an &quot;underground fence,&quot; this method has successfully detected digging activity on the U.S.-Mexico border.Other methods, such as electromagnetic induction and ground-penetrating radar, could be used to detect tunnels at the point where they cross the IDF-controlled border, and detection is more likely if the tunnels contain electrical wires, lights, and pulley mechanisms, as the IDF claims. Once the IDF detects tunnels underneath the border, it could dig down and neutralize them with concrete or explosives, obviating the need for incursions into Rafah that result in destroyed homes and sometimes loss of life.

Israel in all likelihood has access to such sophisticated technology, either domestically or through the U.S. government, its closest ally.But the IDF insists it has exhausted all alternatives, and that the current tactics are the only effective way of dealing with the tunnel threat.Despite three requests from Human Rights Watch, the IDF declined to explain the alternative methods it has attempted to detect tunnels and why they did not work.While some information regarding tunnels may be sensitive, the enormous impact on the civilian population of demolitions places the burden on Israel to make the case as to why the only way of dealing with tunnels that run underneath IDF positions is to demolish houses deeper and deeper into the camp. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2004/10/17/razing-rafah&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; HRW Report October 2004:Razing Rafah&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, to be fair, she was protecting the house of a civilian which Israel was in the process of demolishing. After her death, and after the house was demolished,  no tunnels were found under the home.  If you are really interested in truth and justice, please read  this report from October of 2004 of Human Rights Watches investigation of Israel&#8217;s razing of 2500 houses in Rafah, Gaza.  Here&#8217;s a short excerpt from the summary, but please read the whole report:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Israeli military argues that house demolitions in Rafah are necessary primarily for two reasons: to deal with smuggling tunnels from Egypt that run underneath the IDF-controlled border and to protect IDF forces on the border from attack.Rafah is the &#8220;gateway to terror,&#8221; officials say the entrance point for weapons used by Palestinian armed groups against the Israeli military and civilians.Under international law, the IDF has the right to close smuggling tunnels, to respond to attacks on its forces, and to take preventive measures to avoid further attacks.But such measures are strictly regulated by the provisions of international humanitarian law, which balance the interests of the Occupying Power against those of the civilian population.</p>
<p>In the case of Rafah, it is difficult to reconcile the IDF&#8217;s stated rationales with the widespread destruction that has taken place.On the contrary, the manner and pattern of destruction appears to be consistent with the plan to clear Palestinians from the border area, irrespective of specific threats.<br />
Tunnels</p>
<p>The IDF argues that an extensive network of smuggling tunnels from Egypt require incursions into Rafah that result in house demolitions.According to the IDF, a typical tunnel-hunting operation requires Israeli forces to destroy a house covering a tunnel exit as well as houses from which Palestinian gunmen fire at them during the operation.</p>
<p>Based on interviews with the IDF, Rafah residents, the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), members of Palestinian armed groups, and independent experts on clandestine tunnels, Human Rights Watch concludes that the IDF has consistently exaggerated and mischaracterized the threat from smuggling tunnels to justify the demolition of homes.There is no dispute that tunnels exist to smuggle contraband, including small arms and explosives used by Palestinian armed groups, into the Gaza Strip.But despite the tremendous burden that demolitions have imposed on the civilian population, the IDF has failed to explain why non-destructive means for detecting and neutralizing tunnels employed in places like the Mexico-United States border and the Korean demilitarized zone (DMZ) cannot be used along the Rafah border.Moreover, it has at times dealt with tunnels in a puzzlingly ineffective manner that is inconsistent with the supposed gravity of this longstanding threat.The report makes three main points:</p>
<p>    * Shafts vs. Tunnels. Israeli officials claim to have uncovered approximately ninety tunnels in Rafah since 2000, giving the impression of a vast and burgeoning underground flow of arms into Gaza.When pressed about these claims, the IDF admitted the figure refers to tunnel entrance shafts, some of which connect to existing tunnels and others of which connect to nothing at all.Rather than digging new tunnels, an IDF spokesman told Human Rights Watch, smugglers are often trying to connect to cross-border tunnels that already exist.This is possible in part because, until 2003, the IDF did not seek to close the tunnels themselves, but merely demolished the Rafah homes in which tunnel entrance shafts operative or inoperative were found.This tactic caused much destruction and homelessness while leaving tunnels largely intact.Soldiers have been venturing inside tunnels since 2003, though an IDF spokesman told Human Rights Watch that the military does not have the technology to collapse lateral portions of tunnels.In response to an inquiry from Human Rights Watch, the IDF refused to specify how many tunnels versus entrances had been discovered and destroyed.The IDF&#8217;s approach namely, the use of ineffective methods for two years, followed by unclear improvements contrasts sharply with alarmist Israeli statements on tunnels and the flow of arms.</p>
<p>    * Inoperative Tunnels. In at least three cases, the IDF has destroyed houses containing inoperative tunnels.In July 2004, residents discovered and reported to the PNA an incomplete shaft in an empty house.A few days later, the IDF destroyed the house and seventeen other houses nearby, leaving 205 people homeless as well as a factory.Human Rights Watch&#8217;s onsite assessment just after the incursion, as well as interviews with eyewitnesses and a representative of a Palestinian armed group, indicated that the destruction was militarily unnecessary; even in the home with the tunnel entrance, demolition of the whole house was an excessive response to an incomplete shaft that could have been effectively sealed with concrete.Human Rights Watch documented two other cases in which the IDF appears to have destroyed houses with tunnel shafts that had already been sealed by the PNA.The IDF claims that PNA closures are incomplete.</p>
<p>    * Alternatives to Home Demolition. According to tunnel experts consulted by Human Rights Watch, a number of less destructive alternatives exist for the effective detection and destruction of smuggling tunnels.No one method is guaranteed to work in all situations, but different techniques can compensate for each other&#8217;s shortcomings, and overall conditions in Rafah favor the IDF: Only four kilometers of the border run alongside Rafah, and tunnel depth is limited by the water table approximately forty-five meters in the camp.In this environment, the IDF could install an array of underground seismic sensors along the border.Known as an &#8220;underground fence,&#8221; this method has successfully detected digging activity on the U.S.-Mexico border.Other methods, such as electromagnetic induction and ground-penetrating radar, could be used to detect tunnels at the point where they cross the IDF-controlled border, and detection is more likely if the tunnels contain electrical wires, lights, and pulley mechanisms, as the IDF claims. Once the IDF detects tunnels underneath the border, it could dig down and neutralize them with concrete or explosives, obviating the need for incursions into Rafah that result in destroyed homes and sometimes loss of life.</p>
<p>Israel in all likelihood has access to such sophisticated technology, either domestically or through the U.S. government, its closest ally.But the IDF insists it has exhausted all alternatives, and that the current tactics are the only effective way of dealing with the tunnel threat.Despite three requests from Human Rights Watch, the IDF declined to explain the alternative methods it has attempted to detect tunnels and why they did not work.While some information regarding tunnels may be sensitive, the enormous impact on the civilian population of demolitions places the burden on Israel to make the case as to why the only way of dealing with tunnels that run underneath IDF positions is to demolish houses deeper and deeper into the camp. </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2004/10/17/razing-rafah" rel="nofollow"> HRW Report October 2004:Razing Rafah</a></p>
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		<title>By: Confused Jew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused Jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are &quot;your people&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are &#8220;your people&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair. She wasn&#039;t protecting terrorists, just their weapon smuggling tunnels.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair. She wasn&#039;t protecting terrorists, just their weapon smuggling tunnels.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Israel wasn&#039;t found guilty in the death of Tom Hurndall. Israel prosecuted the soldier who did kill him (in the middle of a battle with the Palestinian gunmen that Tom was playing human shield for). James Miller was killed in a combat zone at night, during an operation in which the Israelis were shot at and uncovered a weapon smuggling tunnel. Tragic, but that&#039;s the chance you take when you go into a combat zone where terrorists are running their operations.     Ian Hook was just sitting in his office, in a building near the hideout of Islamic Jihad terrorist Abdullah Wahsh. Who did not want to be arrested by the Israelis without a fight. Unfortunately, Mr. Hook was killed in the crossfire. Again, tragic, but again, the fault of the Palestinians who choose to put their terrorist bases near civilians.    What splicing are you talking about?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Israel wasn&#039;t found guilty in the death of Tom Hurndall. Israel prosecuted the soldier who did kill him (in the middle of a battle with the Palestinian gunmen that Tom was playing human shield for). James Miller was killed in a combat zone at night, during an operation in which the Israelis were shot at and uncovered a weapon smuggling tunnel. Tragic, but that&#039;s the chance you take when you go into a combat zone where terrorists are running their operations.     Ian Hook was just sitting in his office, in a building near the hideout of Islamic Jihad terrorist Abdullah Wahsh. Who did not want to be arrested by the Israelis without a fight. Unfortunately, Mr. Hook was killed in the crossfire. Again, tragic, but again, the fault of the Palestinians who choose to put their terrorist bases near civilians.    What splicing are you talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Amnesty international report on Gaza parroted what Hamas said. They blindly took the word of whoever told them anything. That wasn&#039;t so much an investigation as a lie laundering operation.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Amnesty international report on Gaza parroted what Hamas said. They blindly took the word of whoever told them anything. That wasn&#039;t so much an investigation as a lie laundering operation.</p>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two problems with that, first, she wasn&#039;t run over by the tractor, she was killed by a pile of debris it was pushing. If she had been run over, the part of her that got run over would look rather like a squeezed out tube of toothpaste. Second, the driver didn&#039;t see her. For that you can thank the Palestinians. They shoot at the bulldozers. The armor that protects the drivers also limits their field of view.    As for accidental suicide. I don&#039;t think it is an official term or anything. I have seen it applied in cases where someone did something that was so reckless of their life, that if someone else had done it, it would be reckless disregard for human life (murder 2). Marilyn Monroe may have been an accidental suicide. She had a habit of taking too many pills then calling someone to rescue her. Rachel Corrie probably does. If you put someone in a position where they will die unless a driver with very limited visibility sees them, that would be murder. Rachel Corrie did that to herself. So if anyone &quot;murdered&quot; Rachel Corrie, it was Rachel Corrie.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two problems with that, first, she wasn&#039;t run over by the tractor, she was killed by a pile of debris it was pushing. If she had been run over, the part of her that got run over would look rather like a squeezed out tube of toothpaste. Second, the driver didn&#039;t see her. For that you can thank the Palestinians. They shoot at the bulldozers. The armor that protects the drivers also limits their field of view.    As for accidental suicide. I don&#039;t think it is an official term or anything. I have seen it applied in cases where someone did something that was so reckless of their life, that if someone else had done it, it would be reckless disregard for human life (murder 2). Marilyn Monroe may have been an accidental suicide. She had a habit of taking too many pills then calling someone to rescue her. Rachel Corrie probably does. If you put someone in a position where they will die unless a driver with very limited visibility sees them, that would be murder. Rachel Corrie did that to herself. So if anyone &quot;murdered&quot; Rachel Corrie, it was Rachel Corrie.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a tangible improvement, and some compromise, same as any bold action.    It was NECESSARY following WW2. It needs to transform now to being satisfied with enough.    LIVE and LET LIVE.      </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a tangible improvement, and some compromise, same as any bold action.    It was NECESSARY following WW2. It needs to transform now to being satisfied with enough.    LIVE and LET LIVE.</p>
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		<title>By: stevieb</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevieb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re quite the piece of work there ismail.    You&#039;re parents should be proud.    (That was meant to be a sarcastic dig when I realized they probably are proud of you for being a Liar for Israel, lol)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;re quite the piece of work there ismail.    You&#039;re parents should be proud.    (That was meant to be a sarcastic dig when I realized they probably are proud of you for being a Liar for Israel, lol)</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the presence and behavior of Isreael has been a demonstrable setback for Jews.  Many Jews are opposed to Israel and insist it does not stand for Judaism.    The fact that most Jews choose not to live in Israel is proof that Israel is an anachronism.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the presence and behavior of Isreael has been a demonstrable setback for Jews.  Many Jews are opposed to Israel and insist it does not stand for Judaism.    The fact that most Jews choose not to live in Israel is proof that Israel is an anachronism.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we supposed to accept that Zionism came out of nowhere and created some false tribalism among Jews that has caused Phil&#039;s people to experience corruption? The claim itself is corrupt.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we supposed to accept that Zionism came out of nowhere and created some false tribalism among Jews that has caused Phil&#039;s people to experience corruption? The claim itself is corrupt.</p>
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