Comments on: Misleading, and apologetic, map in the ‘Times’

By: v....

v.... — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:29:06 +0000

To make the reading more compact - ISRAEL'S MOCKERY OF JUSTICE " target="_blank">http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-01_c... RULE OF LAW IN ISRAEL " target="_blank">http://notinhisname.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-08_c...

By: v....

v.... — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:22:12 +0000

The outgrowth of this, in the application of the so-called "rule of law" in the occupied territories, or that matter for the Palestinians at all by Israel or its US mentor, is complete nonsense. If you want to see what application of the "rule of law" is for the Palestinians by the Israelis, look at Yesh Din - " target="_blank">http://www.yesh-din.org/site/index.php?page=index... In fact, all of the Israeli institutions become a joke in the light of the occupation, not merely the legal aspect. It vitiates everything, not one institution is left standing - it makes everything illegitimate.

By: Jake in Jerusalem

Jake in Jerusalem — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:04:52 +0000

1) Not trillions. 2) How much is a barrel of oil today? 3) How many REAL TRILLIONS have you overpaid the PetroShieks in the last 20-30 years? When are you gonna get them back?

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:02:37 +0000

Just for reference. In the map presented, the green line is OBVIOUS. Are you demonstrating the willing denial of your readers?

By: v....

v.... — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:10:05 +0000

RichardW, it is not my intention to educate you in this forum, because education is a process at its base which is a form of an unwritten agreement - that there is a party willing to learn. No one meant to imply that there is not a "process," and quite frankly that there is plenty of "law" for you and I (but even that is destroyed by ones worth). Likewise, there is no equal application of the law even in the minutia of tort and daily practice - see the makeup of the inmates in the prison industrial complex for a reference (you have no leg to stand on here, I would be silent on this point unless you want to get summarily buried). Second, the concept of the "rule of law" in its definitive character applies to the process whereby the will of men, in the past nobility, who were to be kept from working their tyrannical will over the people. When you admit that "national" justice ends up as the "law of rule," you directly circumvent the primary meaning of the term "rule of law." Take the USA for instance, which was said to be established on the "rule of law" with the primary application to the ruling class - it is a complete joke. The representatives do not represent the people, they represent a moneyed elite. By whim these ruling bodies run contrary to the will of the people almost 100% of the time - that is because hey do not represent you, as I said previously. The executive may pell mell start wars which result in the deaths of thousands of individuals - habeas corpus gets suspended - due process (which is meant to be applied to HUMANITY by definition) gets bypassed (or fictitious tribunals are erected) - money is poured from the coffers of the people into the banking institutions that helped to create the current economic debacle - etc. THERE IS NO RULE OF LAW, as its primary application is deceitfully applied. I trust that clears the air about the so-called "rule of law," and if not, than my point about education comes into play. Put even more plainly - " target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cz4vcQKWfA What needs to be done on a global and local scale to stop this? " target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Q3BVsIBzY I might lose you on the above link(s), but quite frankly, I do not give a damn.

By: historybuff

historybuff — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:08:14 +0000

Fatah is a proxy for Israel, same as the Shah was in Iran before the people kicked him out.

By: justasking2

justasking2 — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:05:25 +0000

So is your lubavitch son proud of Agriprocessors? " target="_blank">http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/stephen...

By: Shafiq

Shafiq — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:51:56 +0000

The reward for recognising Israel, stopping resistance to an occupation and allowing your occupier to continue building colonial outposts is to be oppressed less than usual? Oh Gee, how ungrateful the Palestinians are. You mention Rule of Law – I suppose arresting West-Bank based Hamas members (just for being Hamas members) is an example of this rule of law. That and the fact that Mahmoud Abbas is still President even though his term ended in March. Then there's the closure of Al-Jazeera's West Bank office for being 'biased' against Fatah – I suppose that's Freedom of Press. I'll leave you with a quote from a Palestinian Businessman: Netanyahu wants to concentrate on the economic situation – as if all Arabs become rich they will forget the political issue… that's wrong

By: Richard Witty

Richard Witty — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:35:04 +0000

Actually, that is innaccurate. There is rule of law. In places where there is not law in place (equal due process), then your statement "law of rule" functions. But, that is not the case in Israel, and increasingly in West Bank Palestine. I don't know about Gaza. In the States, Canada, Europe, there is rule of law in most cases, affording equal rights primarily at an individual level. And, thats as it should. Equal individual rights is the appropriate scale that "justice" is described. National "justice" ends up as you say "law of rule". In Israel it takes reform to get the last mile on rule of law. In Palestine, it takes heavy lifting, and I THANK Fatah for undertaking that, for making it possible for there to be free movement between now the two largest Palestinian cities. Free peaceable assembly, free press, right of habeus corpus, etc. accompany that.

By: justasking

justasking — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:55:06 +0000

So is your lubavitch son proud of Agriprocessors, Inc.?Are you? " target="_blank">http://www.forward.com/articles/13930/