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	<title>Comments on: Alternative endings department (Obituary, Edward M. Kennedy, 77)</title>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/08/alternative-endings-department-obituary-edward-m-kennedy-77.html/comment-page-1#comment-106280</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many ladies can a guy condemn to death to lead social progression in this country? 
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kennedy-ted-chappaquiddick-2545006-mary-senator</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many ladies can a guy condemn to death to lead social progression in this country?<br />
<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/kennedy-ted-chappaquiddick-2545006-mary-senator">link to ocregister.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/08/alternative-endings-department-obituary-edward-m-kennedy-77.html/comment-page-1#comment-105974</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it&#039;s been so since Truman, the failed seller of hats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s been so since Truman, the failed seller of hats.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish it were so, Mooser. But the USA is Zionism&#039;s number one enabler. It&#039;s every
tax paying Americans problem, to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish it were so, Mooser. But the USA is Zionism&#8217;s number one enabler. It&#8217;s every<br />
tax paying Americans problem, to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Witty, please not only skim, but digest what I said. Seems your head is teflon
to information you don&#039;t want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Witty, please not only skim, but digest what I said. Seems your head is teflon<br />
to information you don&#8217;t want.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Witty, here&#039;s a curtailed summary and exceedingly small dose of what&#039;s on TV these days:
http://www.counterpunch.org/farago07302009.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Witty, here&#8217;s a curtailed summary and exceedingly small dose of what&#8217;s on TV these days:<br />
<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/farago07302009.html">link to counterpunch.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mooser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mooser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hate to tell you this Phil, but the Jew&#039;s problems are not Ted Kennedy&#039;s problems. He has absolutely no need to sacrifice his career to the problems we have made for ourselves, when you won&#039;t even risk being cut out of the will.
It is not the world&#039;s responsibility to fix Zionism&#039;s problems for us. That is our problem. Your fucking problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hate to tell you this Phil, but the Jew&#8217;s problems are not Ted Kennedy&#8217;s problems. He has absolutely no need to sacrifice his career to the problems we have made for ourselves, when you won&#8217;t even risk being cut out of the will.<br />
It is not the world&#8217;s responsibility to fix Zionism&#8217;s problems for us. That is our problem. Your fucking problem.</p>
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		<title>By: wondering jew</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondering jew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides the obvious: Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian, killed his brother, there is another subtler reason why Kennedy may have supported Israel.  The common enemy of Irish independence and Israeli independence (at one time) were the British occupiers.  At a New York City memorial for Menachem Begin in 1992, Paul O&#039;Dwyer spoke of his support for Israel, and it had nothing to do with New York politics and everything to do with anti British sentiments.  Today&#039;s Irish Catholics view themselves as the equivalent of the Palestinians and the Israelis as the parallel of the Protestants, but once upon a time there was a natural sympathy from those who wished to throw off the British yoke in Ireland for those who wished to throw off the British yoke in Israel.   Kennedy was an old Irish pol and reflected the sentiments of his generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides the obvious: Sirhan Sirhan, a Palestinian, killed his brother, there is another subtler reason why Kennedy may have supported Israel.  The common enemy of Irish independence and Israeli independence (at one time) were the British occupiers.  At a New York City memorial for Menachem Begin in 1992, Paul O&#8217;Dwyer spoke of his support for Israel, and it had nothing to do with New York politics and everything to do with anti British sentiments.  Today&#8217;s Irish Catholics view themselves as the equivalent of the Palestinians and the Israelis as the parallel of the Protestants, but once upon a time there was a natural sympathy from those who wished to throw off the British yoke in Ireland for those who wished to throw off the British yoke in Israel.   Kennedy was an old Irish pol and reflected the sentiments of his generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So,  it was not your impression that Phil described over years the impact of AIPAC and other organizations of the &quot;Israel Lobby&quot;, in compelling the US to go to war in Iraq.

Certainly the vote on the War Resolution would have been a telling measure of one&#039;s conforming to the Israel Lobby or not.

I really dislike the deniability of publishing an intentionally inflammatory article, as if it reinforced Phil&#039;s voice (the world of Weiss), and then declaiming that that is the case. &quot;It wasn&#039;t my voice, but his.&quot;

That is exactly what his criticism of the New York Times and other media consists of, their editorial choices (what material, how headlined, how presented). 

The New York Times has an editorial page. &quot;We think ....&quot;. The editorial framing is less overt.

Phil doesn&#039;t have an editorial page. He only has his deniable editorial framing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So,  it was not your impression that Phil described over years the impact of AIPAC and other organizations of the &#8220;Israel Lobby&#8221;, in compelling the US to go to war in Iraq.</p>
<p>Certainly the vote on the War Resolution would have been a telling measure of one&#8217;s conforming to the Israel Lobby or not.</p>
<p>I really dislike the deniability of publishing an intentionally inflammatory article, as if it reinforced Phil&#8217;s voice (the world of Weiss), and then declaiming that that is the case. &#8220;It wasn&#8217;t my voice, but his.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is exactly what his criticism of the New York Times and other media consists of, their editorial choices (what material, how headlined, how presented). </p>
<p>The New York Times has an editorial page. &#8220;We think &#8230;.&#8221;. The editorial framing is less overt.</p>
<p>Phil doesn&#8217;t have an editorial page. He only has his deniable editorial framing.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, of course I mean &quot;It&#039;s not myself or Phil who is dancing here, but you Witty.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, of course I mean &#8220;It&#8217;s not myself or Phil who is dancing here, but you Witty.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not myself or Witty who is dancing here, but you:

One of the odder notions to take hold in recent years is that AIPAC specifically, and the so-called &quot;Israel lobby&quot; more generally had absolutely nothing to do with the Iraq War, and that anyone who says otherwise is an anti-semite. As John Judis writes for The New Republic, however, this is just false:
At the time, a Senate staff person with a responsibility for foreign policy told me of AIPAC&#039;s lobbying. But I don&#039;t have to rely on my memory. AIPAC&#039;s lobbying wasn&#039;t widely reported because AIPAC didn&#039;t want Arab states, whose support the Bush administration was soliciting, to be able to tie Bush&#039;s plans to Israel, but it lobbied nonetheless. In September 2002, before Congress had begun considering the administration&#039;s proposal authorizing force with Iraq, Rebecca Needler, a spokeswoman for AIPAC, told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, &quot;If the president asks Congress to support action in Iraq, AIPAC would lobby members of Congress to support him.&quot; Then at an AIPAC meeting in New York in January 2003, before the war began, but after Congress had voted to authorize Bush to go to war, Howard Kohr, AIPAC&#039;s executive director, boasted of AIPAC&#039;s success in lobbying for the war. Reported the New York Sun, &quot;According to Mr. Kohr, AIPAC&#039;s successes over the past year also include guaranteeing Israel&#039;s annual aid package and &#039;quietly&#039; lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq.&quot;
And, obviously, other institutions of the hawkish &quot;pro-Israel&quot; establishment -- the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, the Saban Center, JINSA, The New York Sun, The New Republic, etc. -- all advocated strongly in favor of invasion. That&#039;s not to say that &quot;the Jews caused the war&quot; (I think Bush, Cheney, Blair, Powell, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc. had a little something to do with it) but it&#039;s still true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not myself or Witty who is dancing here, but you:</p>
<p>One of the odder notions to take hold in recent years is that AIPAC specifically, and the so-called &#8220;Israel lobby&#8221; more generally had absolutely nothing to do with the Iraq War, and that anyone who says otherwise is an anti-semite. As John Judis writes for The New Republic, however, this is just false:<br />
At the time, a Senate staff person with a responsibility for foreign policy told me of AIPAC&#8217;s lobbying. But I don&#8217;t have to rely on my memory. AIPAC&#8217;s lobbying wasn&#8217;t widely reported because AIPAC didn&#8217;t want Arab states, whose support the Bush administration was soliciting, to be able to tie Bush&#8217;s plans to Israel, but it lobbied nonetheless. In September 2002, before Congress had begun considering the administration&#8217;s proposal authorizing force with Iraq, Rebecca Needler, a spokeswoman for AIPAC, told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, &#8220;If the president asks Congress to support action in Iraq, AIPAC would lobby members of Congress to support him.&#8221; Then at an AIPAC meeting in New York in January 2003, before the war began, but after Congress had voted to authorize Bush to go to war, Howard Kohr, AIPAC&#8217;s executive director, boasted of AIPAC&#8217;s success in lobbying for the war. Reported the New York Sun, &#8220;According to Mr. Kohr, AIPAC&#8217;s successes over the past year also include guaranteeing Israel&#8217;s annual aid package and &#8216;quietly&#8217; lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq.&#8221;<br />
And, obviously, other institutions of the hawkish &#8220;pro-Israel&#8221; establishment &#8212; the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, the Saban Center, JINSA, The New York Sun, The New Republic, etc. &#8212; all advocated strongly in favor of invasion. That&#8217;s not to say that &#8220;the Jews caused the war&#8221; (I think Bush, Cheney, Blair, Powell, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc. had a little something to do with it) but it&#8217;s still true.</p>
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