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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Atlantic&#8217; concedes the groundbreaking impact of a piece it killed</title>
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	<description>The War of Ideas in the Middle East</description>
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		<title>By: J Street&#8217;s aim: building Jewish political capital for Obama in the new &#8216;great game&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Street&#8217;s aim: building Jewish political capital for Obama in the new &#8216;great game&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of time. The critique of the Israel lobby continues to reverberate within American public life, as even the Atlantic, which forced Walt and Mearsheimer to publish their criticism in England, now c...s. And when other politicized American groups are assertive about their stake in this issue, the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of time. The critique of the Israel lobby continues to reverberate within American public life, as even the Atlantic, which forced Walt and Mearsheimer to publish their criticism in England, now c&#8230;s. And when other politicized American groups are assertive about their stake in this issue, the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Links for 08.06.09 to 08.08.09 &#124; The Arabist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links for 08.06.09 to 08.08.09 &#124; The Arabist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his participation in M14 without really intending to leave, and was trying to raise his price. &#8216;Atlantic&#8217; concedes the groundbreaking impact of a piece it killed &#124; Good post on The Atlantic miserably dishonest coverage of the Israel/Palestine issue. Le [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] his participation in M14 without really intending to leave, and was trying to raise his price. &#8216;Atlantic&#8217; concedes the groundbreaking impact of a piece it killed | Good post on The Atlantic miserably dishonest coverage of the Israel/Palestine issue. Le [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>99.9% of Americans never heard of PNAC. The problem is the Fourth Estate. It&#039;s made a joke of the First Amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>99.9% of Americans never heard of PNAC. The problem is the Fourth Estate. It&#8217;s made a joke of the First Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: potsherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>potsherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Security&quot; for Israel means eliminating any possible security for its neighbors, rendering them helpless to defend themselves.  Israel will not feel secure until not only the Palestinians but the entire MidEast is disarmed and they have the only weapons - which the US will keep selling them.

There is now an increase in military activity at Israel&#039;s border with Lebanon, because Hezbollah is known to possess rockets with which they can retaliate against an Israeli attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Security&#8221; for Israel means eliminating any possible security for its neighbors, rendering them helpless to defend themselves.  Israel will not feel secure until not only the Palestinians but the entire MidEast is disarmed and they have the only weapons &#8211; which the US will keep selling them.</p>
<p>There is now an increase in military activity at Israel&#8217;s border with Lebanon, because Hezbollah is known to possess rockets with which they can retaliate against an Israeli attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Chu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kaplan...&quot;If you think the tension between the U.S. and Israel is high now, just wait until there’s a significant spike in casualties in Iraq following an Israeli strike on Iran.&quot;

He&#039;s got that right!

Moderate Israeli supporters in America will realize that Israel is doing harm to America&#039;s interests (Pastor Hagee not included). There are small gains made by Israel annually, but there are losing the grand strategy, now evident in the changing American public attitude, which will only get worse. 

If Israel could meld into its surroundings in the Middle East and make some concessions and repay the damage they&#039;ve caused, things will start to rotate clockwise. The more war they create, the easier it will be to lose the narrative of the Jews as victims of the Holocaust, Anti-Semitism, etc. Both ways can&#039;t be had.

The sooner the strike on Iran occurs, the more people will realize the &#039;clean break&#039; (Perle) plan. When, if ever,  the news media becomes independent from being non-critical of Israel, this might just make 60 Minutes as a prime story - 10 years late.

No news about these issues, makes a majority believe it does not exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kaplan&#8230;&#8221;If you think the tension between the U.S. and Israel is high now, just wait until there’s a significant spike in casualties in Iraq following an Israeli strike on Iran.&#8221;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s got that right!</p>
<p>Moderate Israeli supporters in America will realize that Israel is doing harm to America&#8217;s interests (Pastor Hagee not included). There are small gains made by Israel annually, but there are losing the grand strategy, now evident in the changing American public attitude, which will only get worse. </p>
<p>If Israel could meld into its surroundings in the Middle East and make some concessions and repay the damage they&#8217;ve caused, things will start to rotate clockwise. The more war they create, the easier it will be to lose the narrative of the Jews as victims of the Holocaust, Anti-Semitism, etc. Both ways can&#8217;t be had.</p>
<p>The sooner the strike on Iran occurs, the more people will realize the &#8216;clean break&#8217; (Perle) plan. When, if ever,  the news media becomes independent from being non-critical of Israel, this might just make 60 Minutes as a prime story &#8211; 10 years late.</p>
<p>No news about these issues, makes a majority believe it does not exist.</p>
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		<title>By: munro</title>
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		<dc:creator>munro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Iraq war was fought for Israel’s security.&quot; 

&quot;Security&quot; or stature as the regional superpower and expansionist, imminent threat to the entire Muslim world?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Iraq war was fought for Israel’s security.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Security&#8221; or stature as the regional superpower and expansionist, imminent threat to the entire Muslim world?</p>
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		<title>By: America First</title>
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		<dc:creator>America First</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt; &quot;As for the matter of Israel’s influence on U.S. policymaking, that will only wane as a new generation of immigrant elites – from Asia, the Muslim world, and the Indian Subcontinent – take their places inside America’s civilian bureaucracy and military ranks. Israel is not central to the analytical concerns of these young, newly minted Americans. To them, it is just another country with which America must engage according to its interests. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Very interesting point, though it&#039;s not really &quot;analytical,&quot; it&#039;s that these minorities may not be as susceptible to moral blackmail due to the Holocaust as white Americans have been.  Steven Steinlight has said much the same thing.  I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s true though.  We can expect more of the type of &quot;outreach&quot; (horse trading?) Jewish groups are already doing with Hispanics.  Also, it&#039;s a very common view in Asia that the way to get things done in the US is to get in good with American Jews by praising Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p> &#8220;As for the matter of Israel’s influence on U.S. policymaking, that will only wane as a new generation of immigrant elites – from Asia, the Muslim world, and the Indian Subcontinent – take their places inside America’s civilian bureaucracy and military ranks. Israel is not central to the analytical concerns of these young, newly minted Americans. To them, it is just another country with which America must engage according to its interests. </p></blockquote>
<p>Very interesting point, though it&#8217;s not really &#8220;analytical,&#8221; it&#8217;s that these minorities may not be as susceptible to moral blackmail due to the Holocaust as white Americans have been.  Steven Steinlight has said much the same thing.  I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s true though.  We can expect more of the type of &#8220;outreach&#8221; (horse trading?) Jewish groups are already doing with Hispanics.  Also, it&#8217;s a very common view in Asia that the way to get things done in the US is to get in good with American Jews by praising Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: potsherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>potsherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the allegiance of the US Congress to Israel seems undiminished still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the allegiance of the US Congress to Israel seems undiminished still.</p>
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