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		<title>By: javs</title>
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		<dc:creator>javs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put these video up for the world to see in a public forum like times square. Where Original were these settlers from to be gin with.

Someone should send Obama the video...or maybe he thinks its payback and the Palestinians had something to do with slavery too. 
What has this world come to ...should anarchist rule or is someone going to help them see the light? Maybe it is a cult but whatever it is ...it is terrible and such a discraceful
thing to be affiliated with these types of INHUMANEBEINGS. WHY WHY is this not in the daily news everywhere and on tv, this is equivalent to an alien invasion with the most powerful country turning the other cheek. I am ashamed to be an American and wish to leave this zionist loving scumbag of a country for somewhere else where someone has not been driven off their land and exterminated like bugs. who fell asleep at the wheel to allow the creation of such a place. If their is a hell may they all rot and suffer, ...but I believe that too is another of the lies they perpetrated onto the world. I have read enough to see they are completely evil with a capital E all those whom blindly support and not blindly support...sickening..I think of them and my brain and stomach ache and twist with anguish. may they all get what they deserve someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put these video up for the world to see in a public forum like times square. Where Original were these settlers from to be gin with.</p>
<p>Someone should send Obama the video&#8230;or maybe he thinks its payback and the Palestinians had something to do with slavery too.<br />
What has this world come to &#8230;should anarchist rule or is someone going to help them see the light? Maybe it is a cult but whatever it is &#8230;it is terrible and such a discraceful<br />
thing to be affiliated with these types of INHUMANEBEINGS. WHY WHY is this not in the daily news everywhere and on tv, this is equivalent to an alien invasion with the most powerful country turning the other cheek. I am ashamed to be an American and wish to leave this zionist loving scumbag of a country for somewhere else where someone has not been driven off their land and exterminated like bugs. who fell asleep at the wheel to allow the creation of such a place. If their is a hell may they all rot and suffer, &#8230;but I believe that too is another of the lies they perpetrated onto the world. I have read enough to see they are completely evil with a capital E all those whom blindly support and not blindly support&#8230;sickening..I think of them and my brain and stomach ache and twist with anguish. may they all get what they deserve someday.</p>
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		<title>By: javs</title>
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		<dc:creator>javs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These things lack the proper words to describe them.</description>
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		<title>By: VR</title>
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		<dc:creator>VR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry LeaNder, did not see this till just a moment ago.  The &quot;v&quot; represents the first letter in my first name. 

Apparently the decision while they (the court) declared the document a fraud you will note they still &quot;did not reinstate the Palestinian families ownership of the land.&quot;  What they did was fall back on their annexation of Jerusalem which they &quot;conquered,&quot; so that it did not matter whether the document was a fraud or not, ownership terminated on their designated status.  So, they than put the property to care of the Committee for the Sephardic Group, which is not unlike the other private &quot;caretakers&quot; of the land (by which whether it is this committee or another,  they endlessly point fingers back and forth as to the responsibility for the decisions regarding the property). 

In turn, you will note that the court purposefully rejected the Palestinian family getting an original deed -  

&quot;Nasser al-Ghawei told IPS from inside the Al-Kurd tent in Sheikh Jarrah that earlier this year Palestinian families felt relief when the Turkish government, dismayed at Israel’s brutal actions in Gaza, decided to release documents from the Ottoman-era archives that prove Palestinian-Arab ownership of the land. “We took these papers back to the court to prove that this is Arab land,” Ghawei says. “And the decision was negative.”&quot;

So they jettisoned both the fraudulent deed from the settlers and the valid deed from the Palestinians.  When they rejected the Palestinian ownership they demanded the rent payment based on their contrived facts on the ground - &quot;this is our land, we have conquered it,  we are the caretakers of it, and we will do as we please with it.&quot;  The Palestinians were therefore cited for not paying a rent to the said committee under the rules of Israeli court.  Which once again,  makes the entire scenario fraudulent! 

I believe the Committee for the Sephardic Group, is just the parent cover for the afor mentioned  &quot;Israeli investment company which currently plans to demolish Sheikh Jarrah and build 200 housing units for the exclusive use of Jewish settlers.&quot; cited from my link. In other words, it is really an Israeli investment company which specifically is set for the development of properties to further  Eretz Israel. 

The &quot;exploitation of Israeli law&quot; - I think you have that backwards, &quot;Israeli law IS an exploitation&quot;...lol  There is no law that is not skewed by the occupation, as I have said before all Israeli society is therefore vitiated by injustice and consequent cruelty in regard to the Palestinians - it is a weapon.  Even the very terms of approach are skewed - take for instance my link &quot;Dealing In Stolen Properties.&quot;  If you follow the conversation you will note the Israeli official steers away from the &quot;law&quot; (although this is not always the case, it is only the case here because it involves legal agreements with the international community), and tries to make the theft of in lieu land for the Palestinians a political issue! He goes completely off his rocker - it is very embarrassing (at least for me), trying to make the properties a political football.  If you listen to his plea, he even brings in the expulsion of Jewish communities in other &quot;Arab&quot; lands asking &quot;how will they be compensated?&quot; The question is, what the hell do the Palestinians have to do with other Arab countries?! It is the same arguments that south African apartheid made - &quot;they are all black, they have a whole continent we just have a small portion, let them move somewhere else if they don&#039;t like it.&quot;  As if Tunisia has something to do with the Palestinians, or the Tutsi has something to do with the Bambara.  Completely convoluted, and shameful. 

The Israel laws and institutions request? That is a tall order, here is at least a source on the law, no exhaustive - 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.llrx.com/features/israel3.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LLRX&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;ll spare you my views on the &quot;rule of law&quot; generally speaking, in Israel or anywhere else for that matter...lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry LeaNder, did not see this till just a moment ago.  The &#8220;v&#8221; represents the first letter in my first name. </p>
<p>Apparently the decision while they (the court) declared the document a fraud you will note they still &#8220;did not reinstate the Palestinian families ownership of the land.&#8221;  What they did was fall back on their annexation of Jerusalem which they &#8220;conquered,&#8221; so that it did not matter whether the document was a fraud or not, ownership terminated on their designated status.  So, they than put the property to care of the Committee for the Sephardic Group, which is not unlike the other private &#8220;caretakers&#8221; of the land (by which whether it is this committee or another,  they endlessly point fingers back and forth as to the responsibility for the decisions regarding the property). </p>
<p>In turn, you will note that the court purposefully rejected the Palestinian family getting an original deed &#8211;  </p>
<p>&#8220;Nasser al-Ghawei told IPS from inside the Al-Kurd tent in Sheikh Jarrah that earlier this year Palestinian families felt relief when the Turkish government, dismayed at Israel’s brutal actions in Gaza, decided to release documents from the Ottoman-era archives that prove Palestinian-Arab ownership of the land. “We took these papers back to the court to prove that this is Arab land,” Ghawei says. “And the decision was negative.”&#8221;</p>
<p>So they jettisoned both the fraudulent deed from the settlers and the valid deed from the Palestinians.  When they rejected the Palestinian ownership they demanded the rent payment based on their contrived facts on the ground &#8211; &#8220;this is our land, we have conquered it,  we are the caretakers of it, and we will do as we please with it.&#8221;  The Palestinians were therefore cited for not paying a rent to the said committee under the rules of Israeli court.  Which once again,  makes the entire scenario fraudulent! </p>
<p>I believe the Committee for the Sephardic Group, is just the parent cover for the afor mentioned  &#8220;Israeli investment company which currently plans to demolish Sheikh Jarrah and build 200 housing units for the exclusive use of Jewish settlers.&#8221; cited from my link. In other words, it is really an Israeli investment company which specifically is set for the development of properties to further  Eretz Israel. </p>
<p>The &#8220;exploitation of Israeli law&#8221; &#8211; I think you have that backwards, &#8220;Israeli law IS an exploitation&#8221;&#8230;lol  There is no law that is not skewed by the occupation, as I have said before all Israeli society is therefore vitiated by injustice and consequent cruelty in regard to the Palestinians &#8211; it is a weapon.  Even the very terms of approach are skewed &#8211; take for instance my link &#8220;Dealing In Stolen Properties.&#8221;  If you follow the conversation you will note the Israeli official steers away from the &#8220;law&#8221; (although this is not always the case, it is only the case here because it involves legal agreements with the international community), and tries to make the theft of in lieu land for the Palestinians a political issue! He goes completely off his rocker &#8211; it is very embarrassing (at least for me), trying to make the properties a political football.  If you listen to his plea, he even brings in the expulsion of Jewish communities in other &#8220;Arab&#8221; lands asking &#8220;how will they be compensated?&#8221; The question is, what the hell do the Palestinians have to do with other Arab countries?! It is the same arguments that south African apartheid made &#8211; &#8220;they are all black, they have a whole continent we just have a small portion, let them move somewhere else if they don&#8217;t like it.&#8221;  As if Tunisia has something to do with the Palestinians, or the Tutsi has something to do with the Bambara.  Completely convoluted, and shameful. </p>
<p>The Israel laws and institutions request? That is a tall order, here is at least a source on the law, no exhaustive &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.llrx.com/features/israel3.htm" rel="nofollow">LLRX</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll spare you my views on the &#8220;rule of law&#8221; generally speaking, in Israel or anywhere else for that matter&#8230;lol</p>
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		<title>By: Shmuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shmuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What he actually said was &quot;kolelim&quot; (not &quot;colonies&quot;) - institutions of religious study for married men.</description>
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		<title>By: VR</title>
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		<dc:creator>VR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately to get the correct decision from the US government means you have to have the &quot;power of state.&quot; So the problem is much deeper than merely a single issue, and it getting on the radar.  The fact of the matter is that the power of state is stolen from the people and given to the few - this is not a new problem, but one that we have had in this country since the beginning. 

It might be better is I just repeat what I have said elsewhere -

Also, let me add another note for emphasis - did you notice that I said the current power structure is no different than what has gone on in the past? That is because there are always moneyed elites vying for control. The only reason why someone would be terribly alarmed about the &quot;Zionists&quot; (both foreign and domestic, ethnic and empathetic, religious and non-religious) is if they had some strange idea that this has never happened before (that an elite controls the US government) - or, they are antisemites (who did not mind the Morgans and the Mellons, but cannot stand those &quot;Jews&quot;).

The only possible argument that can be made in regard to Zionist elites is that they have a &quot;foreign&quot; goal, rather than previous ones who at least planted some goals here in the states. I suppose one could look at it in this way, but there is no argument that this process of moneyed and powerful elites ruling is something new. This is in the very warp and woof of the &quot;American&quot; way (no matter how much bullshit is written about the people), and the only thing that stops it is the unstoppable resistance of the people.  Either you go after the real entrenched culprit, or even if after you have removed the current group from power, another will take its place - it has to be total systemic change.

In other words, it is time to wake up - it does not matter how many bodies you switch around in Washington.  You will not be able to unearth what is taking place unless you are willing to walk up as a people and take the scepter from their clutching hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately to get the correct decision from the US government means you have to have the &#8220;power of state.&#8221; So the problem is much deeper than merely a single issue, and it getting on the radar.  The fact of the matter is that the power of state is stolen from the people and given to the few &#8211; this is not a new problem, but one that we have had in this country since the beginning. </p>
<p>It might be better is I just repeat what I have said elsewhere -</p>
<p>Also, let me add another note for emphasis &#8211; did you notice that I said the current power structure is no different than what has gone on in the past? That is because there are always moneyed elites vying for control. The only reason why someone would be terribly alarmed about the &#8220;Zionists&#8221; (both foreign and domestic, ethnic and empathetic, religious and non-religious) is if they had some strange idea that this has never happened before (that an elite controls the US government) &#8211; or, they are antisemites (who did not mind the Morgans and the Mellons, but cannot stand those &#8220;Jews&#8221;).</p>
<p>The only possible argument that can be made in regard to Zionist elites is that they have a &#8220;foreign&#8221; goal, rather than previous ones who at least planted some goals here in the states. I suppose one could look at it in this way, but there is no argument that this process of moneyed and powerful elites ruling is something new. This is in the very warp and woof of the &#8220;American&#8221; way (no matter how much bullshit is written about the people), and the only thing that stops it is the unstoppable resistance of the people.  Either you go after the real entrenched culprit, or even if after you have removed the current group from power, another will take its place &#8211; it has to be total systemic change.</p>
<p>In other words, it is time to wake up &#8211; it does not matter how many bodies you switch around in Washington.  You will not be able to unearth what is taking place unless you are willing to walk up as a people and take the scepter from their clutching hand.</p>
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		<title>By: pineywoodslim</title>
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		<dc:creator>pineywoodslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LeaNder--

As an American lawyer, the Israeli legal system completely and totally baffles me.  Trying to figure out the legalities of the situation you describe in order to see how, from a rational legal perspective, the thought process behind the judicial rulings, the deeds, the evidence, etc., results in this outcome, leads me to conclude that there is no legal system as such--at least in the sense of American law.

The system appears nothing more than an ad-hoc, predetermined game.  There is no law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeaNder&#8211;</p>
<p>As an American lawyer, the Israeli legal system completely and totally baffles me.  Trying to figure out the legalities of the situation you describe in order to see how, from a rational legal perspective, the thought process behind the judicial rulings, the deeds, the evidence, etc., results in this outcome, leads me to conclude that there is no legal system as such&#8211;at least in the sense of American law.</p>
<p>The system appears nothing more than an ad-hoc, predetermined game.  There is no law.</p>
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		<title>By: pineywoodslim</title>
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		<dc:creator>pineywoodslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a wonderful idea, that march.

But frankly, I would be concerned that the Israelis would not let them return home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a wonderful idea, that march.</p>
<p>But frankly, I would be concerned that the Israelis would not let them return home.</p>
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		<title>By: pineywoodslim</title>
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		<dc:creator>pineywoodslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those sorts of Christians say nothing at all, and I&#039;m quite sure the vast majority have no clue that Palestinian Christians even exist.  Not sure about their leaders, though.

Mainstream protestantism has taken positions against the occupation, and does charity within the Palestinian community, yet I don&#039;t know of any particular outreach or public stands in support of specifically Christian Palestinians.

I think there are probably a couple of reasons for that:   the universal concept of mainstream christianity--charity for all, not aimed at specific groups.

But most importantly, I think this factor is also at play:   mainstream christianity does not want to go near any idea that the occupation can be framed in some instances as Christian versus Jew.  That would be anathema to them.

Since I&#039;m guessing that the vast majority of Christian Palestinians are Eastern Orthodox of some stripe, it would be interesting to know what, if any, those denominations are doing here in the US to support their Orthodox brethern.

I do know the Roman Catholic church has spoken out--but it doesn&#039;t seem to be much of an issue on the parish level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those sorts of Christians say nothing at all, and I&#8217;m quite sure the vast majority have no clue that Palestinian Christians even exist.  Not sure about their leaders, though.</p>
<p>Mainstream protestantism has taken positions against the occupation, and does charity within the Palestinian community, yet I don&#8217;t know of any particular outreach or public stands in support of specifically Christian Palestinians.</p>
<p>I think there are probably a couple of reasons for that:   the universal concept of mainstream christianity&#8211;charity for all, not aimed at specific groups.</p>
<p>But most importantly, I think this factor is also at play:   mainstream christianity does not want to go near any idea that the occupation can be framed in some instances as Christian versus Jew.  That would be anathema to them.</p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m guessing that the vast majority of Christian Palestinians are Eastern Orthodox of some stripe, it would be interesting to know what, if any, those denominations are doing here in the US to support their Orthodox brethern.</p>
<p>I do know the Roman Catholic church has spoken out&#8211;but it doesn&#8217;t seem to be much of an issue on the parish level.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, one thing would change, the USA would benefit tremendously from such action. 
Perish the thought, more money to fix things at home and good PR in the eyes of the whole world except Israel. And too, a better geo-strategic position in the region of
the number one commodity in the world, oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, one thing would change, the USA would benefit tremendously from such action.<br />
Perish the thought, more money to fix things at home and good PR in the eyes of the whole world except Israel. And too, a better geo-strategic position in the region of<br />
the number one commodity in the world, oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US dog without teeth whipped by its own AIPAC-ADL tail tip, or How &quot;ZOG&quot; is not
quite a wild figment of neo-Nazi imagination: http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/talk-is-cheap-on-israels-east-jerusalem-disposessions.html  

AKA Obama&#039;s hope is no hope at all. Even if he went out on the bully pulpit against ALL settlements on occupied land in the last 42 years, AND cut off all aid to Israel, nothing would change. Of course he&#039;s actually done and said much less...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US dog without teeth whipped by its own AIPAC-ADL tail tip, or How &#8220;ZOG&#8221; is not<br />
quite a wild figment of neo-Nazi imagination: <a href="http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/talk-is-cheap-on-israels-east-jerusalem-disposessions.html">link to kabobfest.com</a>  </p>
<p>AKA Obama&#8217;s hope is no hope at all. Even if he went out on the bully pulpit against ALL settlements on occupied land in the last 42 years, AND cut off all aid to Israel, nothing would change. Of course he&#8217;s actually done and said much less&#8230;</p>
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