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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 21:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Witty says he&#039;s OK with  supporting an independent, sovereign Palestinians state, and he&#039;s OK with supporting an immediate freeze of settlements in the OT, including East Jerusalem. Well, you have to admit that&#039;s more than Israel is supporting, and it is at least
what the US under Obama is supporting officially (not de facto). The next obvious question for Richard Witty is, do you support Israel&#039;s existence, but limited to the pre-1967 borders? After Richard tells us what his stance is there, we can get on to the issue
of, do Palestinians have at least an equal right of return as Jews do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witty says he&#8217;s OK with  supporting an independent, sovereign Palestinians state, and he&#8217;s OK with supporting an immediate freeze of settlements in the OT, including East Jerusalem. Well, you have to admit that&#8217;s more than Israel is supporting, and it is at least<br />
what the US under Obama is supporting officially (not de facto). The next obvious question for Richard Witty is, do you support Israel&#8217;s existence, but limited to the pre-1967 borders? After Richard tells us what his stance is there, we can get on to the issue<br />
of, do Palestinians have at least an equal right of return as Jews do?</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, you honestly wonder about Saleema&#039;s reaction? That is really amazing. 

One of the core phenomena in these matters  is the characterization of one&#039;s perceived opponent in a very extreme fashion, based on very few basic conceptions.  Why does this feel real to you?

&lt;i&gt;I personally resent implications from Phil and his audience, that the liberal politicians and columnists that they savage (including Ethan Bronner), are manipulated puppets.&lt;/i&gt;

I appreciate your &quot;I personally resent&quot; the problem is the extreme coinage &quot;manipulated puppets&quot;.  Ultimately you describe &quot;Phil &amp; his audience&quot; as conspiracy theorists.  Do you have any evidence to support your point? When did  Phil call Ethan Bronner a &quot;manipulated puppet&quot;, when did his readers?

 You carefully mix a truthful statement about yourself with the old humiliation of &quot;Phil and his crowd&quot;.  So your basic perception hasn&#039;t changed one jota over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, you honestly wonder about Saleema&#8217;s reaction? That is really amazing. </p>
<p>One of the core phenomena in these matters  is the characterization of one&#8217;s perceived opponent in a very extreme fashion, based on very few basic conceptions.  Why does this feel real to you?</p>
<p><i>I personally resent implications from Phil and his audience, that the liberal politicians and columnists that they savage (including Ethan Bronner), are manipulated puppets.</i></p>
<p>I appreciate your &#8220;I personally resent&#8221; the problem is the extreme coinage &#8220;manipulated puppets&#8221;.  Ultimately you describe &#8220;Phil &amp; his audience&#8221; as conspiracy theorists.  Do you have any evidence to support your point? When did  Phil call Ethan Bronner a &#8220;manipulated puppet&#8221;, when did his readers?</p>
<p> You carefully mix a truthful statement about yourself with the old humiliation of &#8220;Phil and his crowd&#8221;.  So your basic perception hasn&#8217;t changed one jota over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You tend to equate people who disagree with dishonesty as people working for war.

I don&#039;t agree.  You have no problem condemning Hamas for their record of suicide bombing, so apparently that form of honesty is okay with you, but when people are as honest about Israel&#039;s crimes you start talking about the need for mediation.

One of the big problems on the Israeli side of the fence is precisely this--the double standard on which crimes can be forthrightly condemned.    It is what leads to people on the pro-Israeli side thinking (and maybe some of them are sincerely deluded) that Israel at least has made some real attempts at a peaceful solution, only to be met with Palestinian or Arab intransigence.   There are likely to be continuing atrocities committed by people on both sides of the conflict, and so long as the pro-Israeli side continues to think like this, they will always find an excuse for blaming the Arabs and dodging responsibility for their own crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You tend to equate people who disagree with dishonesty as people working for war.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree.  You have no problem condemning Hamas for their record of suicide bombing, so apparently that form of honesty is okay with you, but when people are as honest about Israel&#8217;s crimes you start talking about the need for mediation.</p>
<p>One of the big problems on the Israeli side of the fence is precisely this&#8211;the double standard on which crimes can be forthrightly condemned.    It is what leads to people on the pro-Israeli side thinking (and maybe some of them are sincerely deluded) that Israel at least has made some real attempts at a peaceful solution, only to be met with Palestinian or Arab intransigence.   There are likely to be continuing atrocities committed by people on both sides of the conflict, and so long as the pro-Israeli side continues to think like this, they will always find an excuse for blaming the Arabs and dodging responsibility for their own crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer the problem-solving and assertive mediation approach of Obama, with the result that those that agitate for either resistance or expansion, are marginalized, in favor of those that creatively advocate for reconciliation and normalization.

Solidarity with resistance continues war. Solidarity with expansion continues war. Commitment to mutual recognition, creates peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer the problem-solving and assertive mediation approach of Obama, with the result that those that agitate for either resistance or expansion, are marginalized, in favor of those that creatively advocate for reconciliation and normalization.</p>
<p>Solidarity with resistance continues war. Solidarity with expansion continues war. Commitment to mutual recognition, creates peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Nth Republic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nth Republic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in complete agreement with Donald, v... and others. Everything I&#039;ve read of Tom Friedman&#039;s in the past years has led me to acknowledge that he is incapable of doing anything beyond toeing the liberal Zionist party line. This most recent revelation of his is significant only in confirmation that he wants to maintain his readership and relative popularity (a phenomenon I&#039;ve yet to figure out, given the banality of his writing -- see &lt;i&gt;Hot, Flat, and Crowded&lt;/i&gt;, for example).  As Donald suggested, liberal Zionist journalist commentators like Friedman are harmful to the overall peace process when they make &quot;concessions&quot; like this about the lobby&#039;s influence while simultaneously regurgitating common knowledge hasbara about the &quot;withdrawals&quot; from Southern Lebanon and Gaza. 

In fact, Israel never withdrew from Southern Lebanon -- it still hasn&#039;t. The IDF maintains outposts all over the Kfar Shouba hills, conducts illegal violations of Lebanese airspace on a near-daily basis in what can only be construed as a combination of reconaissance flights and intimidation, and illegally occupied the northern half of the village of al Ghajar at the end of the 2006 July War, the northern half of the village having been allocated to Lebanon in 2000. Israel maintains troops in the entirety of al Ghajar today, and mans outposts outside the town&#039;s limits on the Lebanese side. In addition to all of this, Lebanon still claims the Sheba&#039;a Farms region as its own, and Israel has been occupying the area since 1967, ignoring calls from the UN and the Arab world to disengage and let the Syrians and Lebanese resolve the border demarcation issue on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in complete agreement with Donald, v&#8230; and others. Everything I&#8217;ve read of Tom Friedman&#8217;s in the past years has led me to acknowledge that he is incapable of doing anything beyond toeing the liberal Zionist party line. This most recent revelation of his is significant only in confirmation that he wants to maintain his readership and relative popularity (a phenomenon I&#8217;ve yet to figure out, given the banality of his writing &#8212; see <i>Hot, Flat, and Crowded</i>, for example).  As Donald suggested, liberal Zionist journalist commentators like Friedman are harmful to the overall peace process when they make &#8220;concessions&#8221; like this about the lobby&#8217;s influence while simultaneously regurgitating common knowledge hasbara about the &#8220;withdrawals&#8221; from Southern Lebanon and Gaza. </p>
<p>In fact, Israel never withdrew from Southern Lebanon &#8212; it still hasn&#8217;t. The IDF maintains outposts all over the Kfar Shouba hills, conducts illegal violations of Lebanese airspace on a near-daily basis in what can only be construed as a combination of reconaissance flights and intimidation, and illegally occupied the northern half of the village of al Ghajar at the end of the 2006 July War, the northern half of the village having been allocated to Lebanon in 2000. Israel maintains troops in the entirety of al Ghajar today, and mans outposts outside the town&#8217;s limits on the Lebanese side. In addition to all of this, Lebanon still claims the Sheba&#8217;a Farms region as its own, and Israel has been occupying the area since 1967, ignoring calls from the UN and the Arab world to disengage and let the Syrians and Lebanese resolve the border demarcation issue on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: VR</title>
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		<dc:creator>VR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry folks, this fellow is a soundboard for anyone in office - just depends on who is in power,  at least to the points of the supposed party lines.  He, in my view, has made some of the most ridiculous statements recorded in regard to ME subject matter.  Even if it does mean he says some things that ring true on this subject.  That is all I have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry folks, this fellow is a soundboard for anyone in office &#8211; just depends on who is in power,  at least to the points of the supposed party lines.  He, in my view, has made some of the most ridiculous statements recorded in regard to ME subject matter.  Even if it does mean he says some things that ring true on this subject.  That is all I have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do you support an independent, sovereign Palestinian state?

Do you support an immediate freeze of settlements in the OT, including East Jerusalem? &quot;

Yes to both, which you would be aware of if you bothered to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you support an independent, sovereign Palestinian state?</p>
<p>Do you support an immediate freeze of settlements in the OT, including East Jerusalem? &#8221;</p>
<p>Yes to both, which you would be aware of if you bothered to read.</p>
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		<title>By: pineywoodslim</title>
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		<dc:creator>pineywoodslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me rephrase my question--

Do you support an independent, sovereign Palestinian state?

Do you support an immediate freeze of settlements in the OT, including East Jerusalem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me rephrase my question&#8211;</p>
<p>Do you support an independent, sovereign Palestinian state?</p>
<p>Do you support an immediate freeze of settlements in the OT, including East Jerusalem?</p>
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		<title>By: pineywoodslim</title>
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		<dc:creator>pineywoodslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Witty:

&quot;Its an insult to him, and in situations where I have any credibility, I state that I don’t think that is the case, that he has multiple concerns and experiences, that add up to more than merely a puppet or one-dimensional approach.&quot;

I think that Phil has expressed one overriding concern and that is simple justice for the Palestinians.  And he expresses that in a direct, straightforward way without engaging in psychobabble and elevating form over substance or process over outcome.

Can you tell me what your concerns are in 50 words or less?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witty:</p>
<p>&#8220;Its an insult to him, and in situations where I have any credibility, I state that I don’t think that is the case, that he has multiple concerns and experiences, that add up to more than merely a puppet or one-dimensional approach.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that Phil has expressed one overriding concern and that is simple justice for the Palestinians.  And he expresses that in a direct, straightforward way without engaging in psychobabble and elevating form over substance or process over outcome.</p>
<p>Can you tell me what your concerns are in 50 words or less?</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;[Friedman]’s just shifting with the political tides ...&lt;/i&gt;

It is significant that there finally &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a political tide that reaches into the Beltway and media establishments. I have no doubt that it will ebb in the not unlikely event that Israelis and the Lobby manage to politically break or severely wound Pres. Obama by cutting his foreign policy objectives off at the knees, but that will only stir the tempest for the next round. Every battle the Lobby is forced to fight in public is one they lose strategically even if they win it tactically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[Friedman]’s just shifting with the political tides &#8230;</i></p>
<p>It is significant that there finally <i>is</i> a political tide that reaches into the Beltway and media establishments. I have no doubt that it will ebb in the not unlikely event that Israelis and the Lobby manage to politically break or severely wound Pres. Obama by cutting his foreign policy objectives off at the knees, but that will only stir the tempest for the next round. Every battle the Lobby is forced to fight in public is one they lose strategically even if they win it tactically.</p>
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