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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;We are walking into the abyss&#8217;&#8211; Netanyahu&#8217;s sister-in-law</title>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Witty: &quot;In legal law, the application of consistency, coherency, implies that there is a natural “law”, a reason that even constitutions are subject to. That conflicts with the American conservative constitutional approach which assumes that only passed legislation is law, that there are no rights until they are articulated and legislated. That is similar to religious injunction.&quot;

USA Legal jurisprudence has been debating the two approaches for scores of years.
If you take Jurisprudence in law school you better not argue against the professor&#039;s political bias when you participate in assigned cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witty: &#8220;In legal law, the application of consistency, coherency, implies that there is a natural “law”, a reason that even constitutions are subject to. That conflicts with the American conservative constitutional approach which assumes that only passed legislation is law, that there are no rights until they are articulated and legislated. That is similar to religious injunction.&#8221;</p>
<p>USA Legal jurisprudence has been debating the two approaches for scores of years.<br />
If you take Jurisprudence in law school you better not argue against the professor&#8217;s political bias when you participate in assigned cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Tali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben-Artzi is Netanyahu&#039;s sister in law?! that&#039;s fantastic. I didn&#039;t know that. I wonder if this explains the leniency in which us traitors are treated with (considering the usual rhetoric is that we should kiss their boots because in an Arab country we&#039;d been executed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben-Artzi is Netanyahu&#8217;s sister in law?! that&#8217;s fantastic. I didn&#8217;t know that. I wonder if this explains the leniency in which us traitors are treated with (considering the usual rhetoric is that we should kiss their boots because in an Arab country we&#8217;d been executed).</p>
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		<title>By: Tali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben-Artzi is a tiny minority within Israel. There will be no fixing from inside. This minority has been working every which way, to sway the public and we are branded disloyal traitors, met with unlawful detention and violence from the state and our fellow countrymen. At this point we believe that only pressure from without could help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben-Artzi is a tiny minority within Israel. There will be no fixing from inside. This minority has been working every which way, to sway the public and we are branded disloyal traitors, met with unlawful detention and violence from the state and our fellow countrymen. At this point we believe that only pressure from without could help.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Einstein is definitely a character.

Einstein&#039;s faith was in reason, that the universe is coherent and consistent (that it was our understanding that was incoherent, disconnected, inconsistent).

That applies in legal law as well, not only science or its underlying principles. I think he would take exception to the new age physics approach which interprets the Heisenberg uncertainty principle as suggesting that nature is equally coherent and spontaneous, rather than primarily coherent.

In legal law, the application of consistency, coherency, implies that there is a natural &quot;law&quot;, a reason that even constitutions are subject to. That conflicts with the American conservative constitutional approach which assumes that only passed legislation is law, that there are no rights until they are articulated and legislated. That is similar to religious injunction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Einstein is definitely a character.</p>
<p>Einstein&#8217;s faith was in reason, that the universe is coherent and consistent (that it was our understanding that was incoherent, disconnected, inconsistent).</p>
<p>That applies in legal law as well, not only science or its underlying principles. I think he would take exception to the new age physics approach which interprets the Heisenberg uncertainty principle as suggesting that nature is equally coherent and spontaneous, rather than primarily coherent.</p>
<p>In legal law, the application of consistency, coherency, implies that there is a natural &#8220;law&#8221;, a reason that even constitutions are subject to. That conflicts with the American conservative constitutional approach which assumes that only passed legislation is law, that there are no rights until they are articulated and legislated. That is similar to religious injunction.</p>
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		<title>By: seafoid</title>
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		<dc:creator>seafoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There aren&#039;t enough good committed thinking organised people in Israel to stop the coming disaster. 
There are too many people who think everything will work out.  Too many people who think that the current status quo in the region is eternal. That maybe 400,000 settlers closed the deal.  Too many people who think that the world owes Israel something or that the world needs a Jewish state that can do things like force 80% of the people of Gaza onto international food aid. People who think that evil and Israel are mutually exclusive ideas. People who believe the IDF is a force for good and that 3 years of service running the checkpoints and humiliating the Palestinians is normal and has no long term effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There aren&#8217;t enough good committed thinking organised people in Israel to stop the coming disaster.<br />
There are too many people who think everything will work out.  Too many people who think that the current status quo in the region is eternal. That maybe 400,000 settlers closed the deal.  Too many people who think that the world owes Israel something or that the world needs a Jewish state that can do things like force 80% of the people of Gaza onto international food aid. People who think that evil and Israel are mutually exclusive ideas. People who believe the IDF is a force for good and that 3 years of service running the checkpoints and humiliating the Palestinians is normal and has no long term effects.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Einstein’s view was that law was a fabric, coherent.&lt;/i&gt;

Richard, I start to like you. I&#039;ll create a character called &quot;Richard Witty&quot; and he will be very, very insistent. Basically a good guy, that feels he has to single-handedly prevent an imminent catastrophe. He thinks there are times for decisions and times to act, and act consistently.

&lt;i&gt;Not legislations, but reason, of which legislation was a customization. &lt;/i&gt;

A German criminologist once asked for the files in corruption cases for her thesis. Some of the law courts didn&#039;t want her to have them and declared them closed. If remember matters correctly--I&#039;ve been told this by a guy that works in the field and now teaches the topic--many of the files she couldn&#039;t use were such dismissed actions.

Yes there is power but not necessarily the power of God. 

What did Einstein talk about?

God&#039;s laws?
or 
Nature&#039;s laws?
He talked about the laws of the creator of nature.

&quot;The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer.&quot; Albert Einstein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Einstein’s view was that law was a fabric, coherent.</i></p>
<p>Richard, I start to like you. I&#8217;ll create a character called &#8220;Richard Witty&#8221; and he will be very, very insistent. Basically a good guy, that feels he has to single-handedly prevent an imminent catastrophe. He thinks there are times for decisions and times to act, and act consistently.</p>
<p><i>Not legislations, but reason, of which legislation was a customization. </i></p>
<p>A German criminologist once asked for the files in corruption cases for her thesis. Some of the law courts didn&#8217;t want her to have them and declared them closed. If remember matters correctly&#8211;I&#8217;ve been told this by a guy that works in the field and now teaches the topic&#8211;many of the files she couldn&#8217;t use were such dismissed actions.</p>
<p>Yes there is power but not necessarily the power of God. </p>
<p>What did Einstein talk about?</p>
<p>God&#8217;s laws?<br />
or<br />
Nature&#8217;s laws?<br />
He talked about the laws of the creator of nature.</p>
<p>&#8220;The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer.&#8221; Albert Einstein</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Einstein&#039;s view was that law was a fabric, coherent.

Not legislations, but reason, of which legislation was a customization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Einstein&#8217;s view was that law was a fabric, coherent.</p>
<p>Not legislations, but reason, of which legislation was a customization.</p>
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		<title>By: LeaNder</title>
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		<dc:creator>LeaNder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;God does not throw dice&quot; 

Yes, but that quote marks the point of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Einstein&#039;s &lt;/a&gt; end of understanding too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God does not throw dice&#8221; </p>
<p>Yes, but that quote marks the point of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle" rel="nofollow">Einstein&#8217;s </a> end of understanding too.</p>
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		<title>By: potsherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>potsherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They also say, &quot;If the Palestinians would just give up terror/shooting rockets, they would get everything they want.&quot;

Well, Palestinian terror attacks have essentially disappeared, and rocket attacks  from Gaza have just about ceased, but the Israelis don&#039;t seem to have noticed and nothing really changes, particularly the rhetoric.

It was never about terror, it was always about grabbing the land and expelling the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They also say, &#8220;If the Palestinians would just give up terror/shooting rockets, they would get everything they want.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, Palestinian terror attacks have essentially disappeared, and rocket attacks  from Gaza have just about ceased, but the Israelis don&#8217;t seem to have noticed and nothing really changes, particularly the rhetoric.</p>
<p>It was never about terror, it was always about grabbing the land and expelling the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is relative to the rule of law.

There are rule of &quot;laws&quot;, which is different qualitatively than the rule of &quot;law&quot;.

The big difference is in the application of precedent and legal consistency. Rules of laws can be arbitrary, prejudicial, discrimminatory. 

Rule of law in contrast is by definition coherent, integrated, predictable, accountable, color-blind.

The Zionist right vacilates between rule of law and rule of &quot;laws&quot;. The Palestinian nationalist and religious parties vacilate between advocacy for rule of law and rule of &quot;laws&quot;. The militant left vacilates between rule of law and rule of &quot;laws&quot;.

For radical moderates, the rule of law is THE content, and to reject that is to reject the foundation of the whole moderate &quot;ideology&quot;.

Some philosophers have argued that the world itself is not consistent, not coherent, that the seeking consistency and coherency is itself a faith.

I and Einstein aren&#039;t there yet. That is what Einstein meant when he said &quot;God does not throw dice&quot;, that nature/reality is coherent or whole, and knowable by reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is relative to the rule of law.</p>
<p>There are rule of &#8220;laws&#8221;, which is different qualitatively than the rule of &#8220;law&#8221;.</p>
<p>The big difference is in the application of precedent and legal consistency. Rules of laws can be arbitrary, prejudicial, discrimminatory. </p>
<p>Rule of law in contrast is by definition coherent, integrated, predictable, accountable, color-blind.</p>
<p>The Zionist right vacilates between rule of law and rule of &#8220;laws&#8221;. The Palestinian nationalist and religious parties vacilate between advocacy for rule of law and rule of &#8220;laws&#8221;. The militant left vacilates between rule of law and rule of &#8220;laws&#8221;.</p>
<p>For radical moderates, the rule of law is THE content, and to reject that is to reject the foundation of the whole moderate &#8220;ideology&#8221;.</p>
<p>Some philosophers have argued that the world itself is not consistent, not coherent, that the seeking consistency and coherency is itself a faith.</p>
<p>I and Einstein aren&#8217;t there yet. That is what Einstein meant when he said &#8220;God does not throw dice&#8221;, that nature/reality is coherent or whole, and knowable by reason.</p>
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