Comments on: Israel lobby bares its teeth

By: David Seaton

David Seaton — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:41:18 +0000

I have always thought that it was a mistake to try to go forward simultaneously on the ME and health care.

It seems to me that there was some chance of getting health care, but it would have been almost impossible to get anything done with the Netanyahu (or any other Israeli) government and certainly to try to do so would only gain the hostility of AIPAC, which would probably otherwise have been indifferent or even sympathetic to health care.

Obviously AIPAC objective is to weaken Obama, therefore by obstructing health care they can achieve that or maybe even trade their future support for health care for an attack on Iran.

I think all of this shows an enormous lack of strategic sense on Obama’s part. It appears that running for president is not a preparation for the presidency.

It would have been nice to have had health care, I have little hope of ever seeing peace in the Middle East.

By: Todd

Todd — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:37:29 +0000

If healthcare is an easy issue to exploit, then immigration would be the mother of all exploitable issues. I don’t believe that the Israel lobby is responsible for the anger people displayed at the rallies against Obamacare, but I can see the usual suspects exploiting the issue of immigration and the unasked for and pre-decided demographic change that Americans are expected to swallow without questions.

If Obama doesn’t get on board with an attack on Iran, and there has to be an issue to exploit in order to divert attention, control the masses or cut deals with other politicians, then immigration is the issue, poor economy or not–but especially in this economy!

By: slowereastside

slowereastside — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:28:43 +0000

Good observation, Phil. I’ve yet to see anyone else ‘connect the dots’ between the health-care circus and the Israeli lobby.

The obvious guess is that we’ve just witnessed the trading of Obama’s healthcare plan for US action against Iran. Note the timelines and the sudden turn in Congressional/MSM support for the public option as Iran takes center stage.

By: potsherd

potsherd — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:23:18 +0000

This is another way in which Israel is bad for the Jews, not just the Israelis. The perceived necessity to support Israeli crimes leads the inexorably into supporting other sorts of crimes, in complicity.

By: Chu

Chu — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:20:26 +0000

Phil on antiwar radio the other day said that 45%+/- of Democratic party money comes from Jewish circles. At 2 percent of the US population that’s cause for serious concern.
Uncle Sam, as you say, will wear that harness indefinitely if something doesn’t change. No wonder the Democrats are such cowards when speaking of Israel. There’s probably ransom on the head of Kucinich.

By: Chu

Chu — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:10:43 +0000

I think these Zionists get a high from treading on this ground. Funny how he makes this veiled threat in broad daylight. “….he had best prepare for storms that will make the squawks of protest against his health-care plans look like the merest showers on a sunny day.” -those are words of betrayal. He is telling the president do something about this foreign country or we’re coming after you. Who’s that, you and your media buddies?

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:05:55 +0000

Isn’t that ironic? A nation of founded by violent hostile takeover by immigrants — Israel — is attempting to inflame anti-immigration rhetoric in the US — itself a nation of immigrants, for the triple axle irony.

The real irony is going to come when, by doing what they thought was unifying the United States and making it a stronger patsy — uh, I mean, “ally” — what they’re really going to do is condemn the US to a painful death as our economy continues to stagnate, crumble and dissolve into oblivion because we can’t fix anything that’s actually broken.

By: Todd

Todd — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:55:21 +0000

“And, implicitly, a suggestion that some of the health-care rebellion against Obama was fed by Israel lobbyists. I went to a lot of these demos this summer, and there are Israel lobbyists all around.”

If Zionist/Lobby types don’t get what they want from Obama, will they try to manipulate the anger that most Americans feel over immigration and demographic change to their favor? A cohesive and strong America allied with Israel would be far better for Israel’s interests, since that’s what they really care about.

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:53:59 +0000

Not to mention China’s presence in Tibet and other places, and Russia’s overtures toward Georgia. Not examples of Western colonialism, per se, but one must strive to be even handed in one’s criticisms.

By: Chaos4700

Chaos4700 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:48:09 +0000

Doubtless there are others on this blog who can speak with better authority on this topic, but one notes that a lot of the Arab governments were installed by and continue to be influenced by Western concerns, particularly business concerns. Like Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, for example, though I think the latter example might be getting their heads on straight about the matter. Compare and contrast those with Middle Eastern governments who have thrown off that yoke — Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and kind of sort of Iraq (late in the game Saddam was playing, at any rate) — and how we (as in the Western quasi-post-colonial world, of which Israel is an extension) treat those countries.

I would have to say colonialism is not dead, not quite yet. Israel’s presence in Gaza, the West Bank, Shebaa Farms and the Golan Heights, and our presence in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan prove quite handily that it isn’t.