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	<title>Comments on: Bromwich: Where did Cheneys get the idea that &#8216;dominance&#8217; is the goal of foreign policy?</title>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the writer of the link I gave is Tony Horwitz. I hadn&#039;t realized that the NYT devoted an Op-Ed to him in July of this year in which Horwitz said: &lt;blockquote&gt;“Anyone in this country who questions Israel is going to get spanked. (I’ll get an e-mail slap from my uncle just for saying that.) I admire Cohen for not only asking tough questions but gleefully puncturing every Zionist piety. He’s sure to hear from his own Uncle Mort, as well as Aipac and other en forcers of Jewish correctness on Israel.” More...http://tr.im/BL7c&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the writer of the link I gave is Tony Horwitz. I hadn&#8217;t realized that the NYT devoted an Op-Ed to him in July of this year in which Horwitz said:<br />
<blockquote>“Anyone in this country who questions Israel is going to get spanked. (I’ll get an e-mail slap from my uncle just for saying that.) I admire Cohen for not only asking tough questions but gleefully puncturing every Zionist piety. He’s sure to hear from his own Uncle Mort, as well as Aipac and other en forcers of Jewish correctness on Israel.” More&#8230;<a href="http://tr.im/BL7c/blockquote">link to tr.im</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The second link is great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The second link is great!</p>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/bromwich-where-did-cheneys-get-the-idea-that-dominance-is-the-goal-of-foreign-policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-115224</link>
		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>v... always has great links. But the info in this piece is only half there. The writer carries on the great manque-thinking of so many Americans who haven&#039;t done their historical homework. (see this for a lengthier explication: http://tr.im/BKUY) The King of Spain wanted to help the young American colonies and bitch-slap the British, the world&#039;s hegemony power at that time. The King is the one who gave back the land won from the French – The Louisiana Purchase – to Napoleon so that it could be sold to Jefferson. Why? So Napoleon would have the money to fight the Brits. This history is around, embedded in real historical documents, but since the majority of us got our history from the poet Longfellow and the novelist Hawthorne, we dont have a clue. Spain owned the majority of the land now known as the USA until 1803; there was nothing &quot;feeble&quot; – as it says in that article – about its presence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>v&#8230; always has great links. But the info in this piece is only half there. The writer carries on the great manque-thinking of so many Americans who haven&#8217;t done their historical homework. (see this for a lengthier explication: <a href="http://tr.im/BKUY)">link to tr.im</a><br /> The King of Spain wanted to help the young American colonies and bitch-slap the British, the world&#8217;s hegemony power at that time. The King is the one who gave back the land won from the French – The Louisiana Purchase – to Napoleon so that it could be sold to Jefferson. Why? So Napoleon would have the money to fight the Brits. This history is around, embedded in real historical documents, but since the majority of us got our history from the poet Longfellow and the novelist Hawthorne, we dont have a clue. Spain owned the majority of the land now known as the USA until 1803; there was nothing &#8220;feeble&#8221; – as it says in that article – about its presence.</p>
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		<title>By: MRW</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/bromwich-where-did-cheneys-get-the-idea-that-dominance-is-the-goal-of-foreign-policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-115221</link>
		<dc:creator>MRW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The great triumph of the Israel-firsters were to recognize that the dual loyalty charge was an achilles heel to their ambitions to co-opt the U.S. foreign policy program. So AIPAC and other Israel-first organization embarked on an ambitious program to spread the hasbaraic falsehood that the interests of Israel and the U.S. in the region were “identical.” The so-called “war on terror.” This is what Walt &amp; Mearshimer were zeroing in on in “TIL.” And why they were so viciously attacked.&lt;/i&gt;

Brilliantly said. And clearly correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The great triumph of the Israel-firsters were to recognize that the dual loyalty charge was an achilles heel to their ambitions to co-opt the U.S. foreign policy program. So AIPAC and other Israel-first organization embarked on an ambitious program to spread the hasbaraic falsehood that the interests of Israel and the U.S. in the region were “identical.” The so-called “war on terror.” This is what Walt &amp; Mearshimer were zeroing in on in “TIL.” And why they were so viciously attacked.</i></p>
<p>Brilliantly said. And clearly correct.</p>
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		<title>By: America First</title>
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		<dc:creator>America First</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danaa, before getting to foreign policy, I begin with neoliberalism in its global economic meaning, which is the promarket &quot;Commanding Heights&quot; view: privatization, deregulation, relatively free trade, etc.  Political neoliberalism in the US is closely related to that and is largely the creation of Clinton&#039;s DLC mentor Al From.  Under it the Democrats abandoned their working class contituency, adopted Republican globalist economic policies, replaced union funding with corporate funding, and marginalized their Gephardt wing the way the neocons marginalized the GOP&#039;s Buchanan wing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danaa, before getting to foreign policy, I begin with neoliberalism in its global economic meaning, which is the promarket &#8220;Commanding Heights&#8221; view: privatization, deregulation, relatively free trade, etc.  Political neoliberalism in the US is closely related to that and is largely the creation of Clinton&#8217;s DLC mentor Al From.  Under it the Democrats abandoned their working class contituency, adopted Republican globalist economic policies, replaced union funding with corporate funding, and marginalized their Gephardt wing the way the neocons marginalized the GOP&#8217;s Buchanan wing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuyzentfloot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuyzentfloot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to draw a few distinctions. First, american hegemony has been the aim since at least WWII, but the style has varied a lot.  New World Order was the post soviet strategy of unipolar american controlled stability.  Cheney is american hard right, more prone to use wars as the first option, more impatient to fully consolidate american power.  Neocons are the radicals who want to redraw the middle east to Israeli designs, to the way Sharon saw it for example.  There are differences and conflicts between these groups.  I don&#039;t see NWO and neocons getting along well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to draw a few distinctions. First, american hegemony has been the aim since at least WWII, but the style has varied a lot.  New World Order was the post soviet strategy of unipolar american controlled stability.  Cheney is american hard right, more prone to use wars as the first option, more impatient to fully consolidate american power.  Neocons are the radicals who want to redraw the middle east to Israeli designs, to the way Sharon saw it for example.  There are differences and conflicts between these groups.  I don&#8217;t see NWO and neocons getting along well.</p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/bromwich-where-did-cheneys-get-the-idea-that-dominance-is-the-goal-of-foreign-policy.html/comment-page-1#comment-115161</link>
		<dc:creator>Call Me Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The argument I make is the same that it always was, that a moneyed and ruling elite wish for world domination.&quot;

I think we are probably in agreement about that, v, if you mean the elite have always wanted to dominate that part of the world that is of use to them.

Where we may differ, though, is in this: You seem to think that nothing is new; that America has always been driven by a desire to dominate the world; that so also has every other empire in history.

I see it differently. Of course, all empires eventually burn themselves out through over-extension; the center cannot hold. But not because they sought to dominate their entire known world - only the part that was of potential use to them or that might threaten their borders. As for America, it has never sought to dominate its entire known world until recently. (Some people like to point to Woodrow Wilson as an example of how the US in the past sought to dominate the world, forgetting that the country&#039;s endemic isolationism blocked any thoughts he may have had along those lines.) 

One can argue that &quot;America&quot; wants to dominate the entire world today in order to ensure its security and guarantee a steady flow of needed resources like oil. I think that is incorrect; that most of the American political power structure does not want or seek such world domination. But there is a very significant part of the power structure that does, the part that was responsible for the Project for a New American Century. Those are not idle words; they were carefully chosen, and they reflect the plans neocons and their fellow travelers have for America.

If Zionists like the neocons were a fringe element in the American power structure, we would have little to fear from them. But they are in fact the dominant element (still) in the formulation of US foreign policy - and that, mainly, is why America (with ally Israel) is still threatening to dominate the world with its military power.

That is what is new in the world balance of power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The argument I make is the same that it always was, that a moneyed and ruling elite wish for world domination.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think we are probably in agreement about that, v, if you mean the elite have always wanted to dominate that part of the world that is of use to them.</p>
<p>Where we may differ, though, is in this: You seem to think that nothing is new; that America has always been driven by a desire to dominate the world; that so also has every other empire in history.</p>
<p>I see it differently. Of course, all empires eventually burn themselves out through over-extension; the center cannot hold. But not because they sought to dominate their entire known world &#8211; only the part that was of potential use to them or that might threaten their borders. As for America, it has never sought to dominate its entire known world until recently. (Some people like to point to Woodrow Wilson as an example of how the US in the past sought to dominate the world, forgetting that the country&#8217;s endemic isolationism blocked any thoughts he may have had along those lines.) </p>
<p>One can argue that &#8220;America&#8221; wants to dominate the entire world today in order to ensure its security and guarantee a steady flow of needed resources like oil. I think that is incorrect; that most of the American political power structure does not want or seek such world domination. But there is a very significant part of the power structure that does, the part that was responsible for the Project for a New American Century. Those are not idle words; they were carefully chosen, and they reflect the plans neocons and their fellow travelers have for America.</p>
<p>If Zionists like the neocons were a fringe element in the American power structure, we would have little to fear from them. But they are in fact the dominant element (still) in the formulation of US foreign policy &#8211; and that, mainly, is why America (with ally Israel) is still threatening to dominate the world with its military power.</p>
<p>That is what is new in the world balance of power.</p>
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		<title>By: Danaa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nolan, chaos - weren&#039;t the neocons neoliberals before they became neocons? aren&#039;t the two aspects of the same disease, each masking the same underlying disease? and isn&#039;t the will-to-dominate the name of the disease?

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see Podesta&#039;s think tank (what was the name again? so similar to project for america...) shed the progressive pretense and come out as full blown neoliberal.

Only problem I see is this: we all agree what a neocon is. Unfortunatetly no two seem to agree on what a neoliberal is. I am still looking for a definitive definition and wikededia is no help at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nolan, chaos &#8211; weren&#8217;t the neocons neoliberals before they became neocons? aren&#8217;t the two aspects of the same disease, each masking the same underlying disease? and isn&#8217;t the will-to-dominate the name of the disease?</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see Podesta&#8217;s think tank (what was the name again? so similar to project for america&#8230;) shed the progressive pretense and come out as full blown neoliberal.</p>
<p>Only problem I see is this: we all agree what a neocon is. Unfortunatetly no two seem to agree on what a neoliberal is. I am still looking for a definitive definition and wikededia is no help at all.</p>
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		<title>By: VR</title>
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		<dc:creator>VR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 05:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be a fair reply Call Me Ishmael if that were my argument,  but I never accused the general population of wanting to dominate the world.   The argument I make is the same that it always was,  that a moneyed and ruling elite wish for world domination.  Each of the nations you mentioned were in a dead heat to try to expand their rule over the world,  but as usual they fell apart internally in the process - because the will to empire always eats alive the host nation.  The fact of the matter is that each nation that has tried to rule the world has followed the same course,  and expanded over their domestic regions,  overseas and into other land masses.  It is the natural progression because each nation has chosen to make their government (whatever the time and form) a franchise of an elite.  The USA is no different,  it carried the diseases (so to speak) of Europe with it,  attempting world domination.  I am afraid that these are the facts of life,  and until a people arises to put down this plague once and for all it will continue until it destroys the host nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be a fair reply Call Me Ishmael if that were my argument,  but I never accused the general population of wanting to dominate the world.   The argument I make is the same that it always was,  that a moneyed and ruling elite wish for world domination.  Each of the nations you mentioned were in a dead heat to try to expand their rule over the world,  but as usual they fell apart internally in the process &#8211; because the will to empire always eats alive the host nation.  The fact of the matter is that each nation that has tried to rule the world has followed the same course,  and expanded over their domestic regions,  overseas and into other land masses.  It is the natural progression because each nation has chosen to make their government (whatever the time and form) a franchise of an elite.  The USA is no different,  it carried the diseases (so to speak) of Europe with it,  attempting world domination.  I am afraid that these are the facts of life,  and until a people arises to put down this plague once and for all it will continue until it destroys the host nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Call Me Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What  I was referring to was an American doctrine of world domination. It is something entirely new in history. What the US did in the Philippines, in Central America, etc., was not worse than what other colonial powers such as Britain, France, Spain did in their spheres of influence. Even the British Empire did not seek total world domination, nor Spain, nor the USSR, nor the Mongols, nor Rome. And neither did America until the last few decades.

Most people in America, even today, don&#039;t subscribe to the idea of world domination. But there are powerful elements in the US political and foreign policy establishments that do. Liberal interventionists generally do not. Some neoliberals do. But the people who are most consistently and justifiably associated with the notion of world domination by the US are the neocons. And these radical extremists are backed by powerful Zionist forces within the Israel Lobby.

Yes, there are other important elements within the US foreign policy and military establishments who want to see America dominating the rest of the world. But in America today the power behind that mindset is wielded mainly by neocons and the Israel Lobby. 

It is flat wrong to fool yourself into thinking that this is the predominant American attitude toward the rest of the world. And if the US Establishment isn&#039;t aware of that yet, they soon will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What  I was referring to was an American doctrine of world domination. It is something entirely new in history. What the US did in the Philippines, in Central America, etc., was not worse than what other colonial powers such as Britain, France, Spain did in their spheres of influence. Even the British Empire did not seek total world domination, nor Spain, nor the USSR, nor the Mongols, nor Rome. And neither did America until the last few decades.</p>
<p>Most people in America, even today, don&#8217;t subscribe to the idea of world domination. But there are powerful elements in the US political and foreign policy establishments that do. Liberal interventionists generally do not. Some neoliberals do. But the people who are most consistently and justifiably associated with the notion of world domination by the US are the neocons. And these radical extremists are backed by powerful Zionist forces within the Israel Lobby.</p>
<p>Yes, there are other important elements within the US foreign policy and military establishments who want to see America dominating the rest of the world. But in America today the power behind that mindset is wielded mainly by neocons and the Israel Lobby. </p>
<p>It is flat wrong to fool yourself into thinking that this is the predominant American attitude toward the rest of the world. And if the US Establishment isn&#8217;t aware of that yet, they soon will be.</p>
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