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		<title>By: Antony Loewenstein: Dispatch from J Street &#124; Legal-Sleaze.com</title>
		<link>http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/impressions-from-1st-full-day-at-j-street-conference.html/comment-page-1#comment-119725</link>
		<dc:creator>Antony Loewenstein: Dispatch from J Street &#124; Legal-Sleaze.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] over 1500 delegates to the first J Street national conference in Washington DC &#8212; a broad collection of Zionists, peace activists, students, anti-Zionists, pensioners and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: HOROWITZ: Squaring the circle and erasing the margins</title>
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		<dc:creator>HOROWITZ: Squaring the circle and erasing the margins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And it’s clear that breaking this isolation is what drew many people to the conference. As Phil pointed out earlier there was excessive handwringing across the three days of the conference as Jews struggled with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Angers are passing, if you let them pass, and if you bother to establish new relationships.&quot;

This is your real agenda and hope isn&#039;t it Richard?  That anger and disgust at Israel will dissipate and that things will return to the pre Gaza massacre status quo and Israel can go on flouting world opinion, UN Resolutions, stealing land and buthcering Palestinians.

This explains your insistence that treating Israel with kid gloves is the only solution, because soon emough, the I/P situation and the Goldstone Report will be displaced from the front pages and the world&#039;s attention will have moved on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Angers are passing, if you let them pass, and if you bother to establish new relationships.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is your real agenda and hope isn&#8217;t it Richard?  That anger and disgust at Israel will dissipate and that things will return to the pre Gaza massacre status quo and Israel can go on flouting world opinion, UN Resolutions, stealing land and buthcering Palestinians.</p>
<p>This explains your insistence that treating Israel with kid gloves is the only solution, because soon emough, the I/P situation and the Goldstone Report will be displaced from the front pages and the world&#8217;s attention will have moved on.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaos4700</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaos4700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Witty? You have just ceded the right to &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; complain about the way you are treated here. Because you show that you&#039;re perfectly capable of targeting other commenters and slinging mud when it suits you.

Keep showing us that ugly face behind the mask you wear. I kind of liked Phantom of the Opera for the plot, if not so much for the music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witty? You have just ceded the right to <i>ever</i> complain about the way you are treated here. Because you show that you&#8217;re perfectly capable of targeting other commenters and slinging mud when it suits you.</p>
<p>Keep showing us that ugly face behind the mask you wear. I kind of liked Phantom of the Opera for the plot, if not so much for the music.</p>
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		<title>By: former coMMenter</title>
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		<dc:creator>former coMMenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Arabs also lived in a &quot;real fantasy world&quot; that the Crusaders would disappear. And by 1291 AD, they mostly had.

Of course many of the &quot;Europeans&quot; are choosing to leave Israel without anyone forcing them, because it is such a militarized and conflicted society, and life anywhere else--the U.S., Latin America, Goa--seems like paradise compared to it.

And it is not inaccurate to portray the Zionists as the &quot;invaders.&quot; The word &quot;invade&quot; means to enter for conquest, to encroach upon, infringe, or spread over as if invading. Regardless of the better intentions of some early Zionists, the historical reality of Zionism is an invasion and attempted ethnic cleansing of Palestine. And that view is &quot;applauded&quot; whether stated by Ilan Pappé or Benny Morris.

Without all the lawyers, guns, and money Israel commands from the U.S., the integration of the immigrant European population into the local fabric would probably occur quickly and peacefully.

But by &quot;defending itself militarily,&quot; by which Richard means aggressively and brutally dominating the indigenous population, it engenders hatred, violent resistance, and rejection, all of which cycles into more &quot;defending itself militarily.&quot; It&#039;s a script that the Crusaders of the 11th and 12th centuries already wrote. And the ending is known.

But please, don&#039;t anybody spoil it for Richard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Arabs also lived in a &#8220;real fantasy world&#8221; that the Crusaders would disappear. And by 1291 AD, they mostly had.</p>
<p>Of course many of the &#8220;Europeans&#8221; are choosing to leave Israel without anyone forcing them, because it is such a militarized and conflicted society, and life anywhere else&#8211;the U.S., Latin America, Goa&#8211;seems like paradise compared to it.</p>
<p>And it is not inaccurate to portray the Zionists as the &#8220;invaders.&#8221; The word &#8220;invade&#8221; means to enter for conquest, to encroach upon, infringe, or spread over as if invading. Regardless of the better intentions of some early Zionists, the historical reality of Zionism is an invasion and attempted ethnic cleansing of Palestine. And that view is &#8220;applauded&#8221; whether stated by Ilan Pappé or Benny Morris.</p>
<p>Without all the lawyers, guns, and money Israel commands from the U.S., the integration of the immigrant European population into the local fabric would probably occur quickly and peacefully.</p>
<p>But by &#8220;defending itself militarily,&#8221; by which Richard means aggressively and brutally dominating the indigenous population, it engenders hatred, violent resistance, and rejection, all of which cycles into more &#8220;defending itself militarily.&#8221; It&#8217;s a script that the Crusaders of the 11th and 12th centuries already wrote. And the ending is known.</p>
<p>But please, don&#8217;t anybody spoil it for Richard!</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did the WORLD see the earlier dialog between taxi and the local posse here in the context of the lack of information given to the USA public by the USA MSM posse, a much larger posse and one with all the guns?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the WORLD see the earlier dialog between taxi and the local posse here in the context of the lack of information given to the USA public by the USA MSM posse, a much larger posse and one with all the guns?</p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Call Me Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An antisemitic gene? That&#039;s as atrocious as the crazy theories about eugenics in the 1930&#039;s. Surely the processes of natural selection would then give rise to an inherent defense mechanism - the anti-antisemitic gene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An antisemitic gene? That&#8217;s as atrocious as the crazy theories about eugenics in the 1930&#8242;s. Surely the processes of natural selection would then give rise to an inherent defense mechanism &#8211; the anti-antisemitic gene.</p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Call Me Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read much about the political intrigue that infects Lebanese society, for understandable reasons. Along those lines, I&#039;ll relate a story that Robert Fisk, an English journalist living in Lebanon and reporting for The Independent of London, likes to tell concerning an interview he had with former PM Rafic Hariri shortly before his assassination.

Hariri said, &quot;In Lebanon, one believes nothing that one hears, and only half of what one sees.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read much about the political intrigue that infects Lebanese society, for understandable reasons. Along those lines, I&#8217;ll relate a story that Robert Fisk, an English journalist living in Lebanon and reporting for The Independent of London, likes to tell concerning an interview he had with former PM Rafic Hariri shortly before his assassination.</p>
<p>Hariri said, &#8220;In Lebanon, one believes nothing that one hears, and only half of what one sees.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Call Me Ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Call Me Ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odd, isn&#039;t it? I agree with both Nolan&#039;s and David Samel&#039;s takes on the interview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd, isn&#8217;t it? I agree with both Nolan&#8217;s and David Samel&#8217;s takes on the interview.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Witty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Witty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The WORLD saw the earlier dialog between taxi and the local posse here.

Taxi is predicting/proposing war to forcefully remove all of the Europeans from the land.

If there is ANY sentiment that could be reported anywhere to support the likud &quot;which side are you on&quot; thesis, that is it.

You live in a real fantasy world to think that Israel will disappear, or will not defend itself militarily and every other way, for a century.

Emotions don&#039;t last that long. To base a century-long war on either anger or &quot;exhaustion&quot; (from those with children, the word is &quot;responsibility&quot;, not &quot;exhaustion&quot;), is a sickness.

Angers are passing, if you let them pass, and if you bother to establish new relationships.

If you want to separate the Israelis/Jews from the Lebanese have restrictive and isolated borders. You know &quot;good fences make good neighbors&quot;, sometimes, hopefully rarely. Good conversations make good neighbors in fact. (Somehow in taxi&#039;s summary, the &quot;Europeans&quot; must leave).

It is also the neo-conservative formula. &quot;The Europeans are the invaders. It is civilizational conflict.&quot; Applauded when &quot;resistance&quot; states it.

Fanatic view, from Lebanon. And, &quot;it makes sense&quot; (to other fanatics only, not to the mature or responsible).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WORLD saw the earlier dialog between taxi and the local posse here.</p>
<p>Taxi is predicting/proposing war to forcefully remove all of the Europeans from the land.</p>
<p>If there is ANY sentiment that could be reported anywhere to support the likud &#8220;which side are you on&#8221; thesis, that is it.</p>
<p>You live in a real fantasy world to think that Israel will disappear, or will not defend itself militarily and every other way, for a century.</p>
<p>Emotions don&#8217;t last that long. To base a century-long war on either anger or &#8220;exhaustion&#8221; (from those with children, the word is &#8220;responsibility&#8221;, not &#8220;exhaustion&#8221;), is a sickness.</p>
<p>Angers are passing, if you let them pass, and if you bother to establish new relationships.</p>
<p>If you want to separate the Israelis/Jews from the Lebanese have restrictive and isolated borders. You know &#8220;good fences make good neighbors&#8221;, sometimes, hopefully rarely. Good conversations make good neighbors in fact. (Somehow in taxi&#8217;s summary, the &#8220;Europeans&#8221; must leave).</p>
<p>It is also the neo-conservative formula. &#8220;The Europeans are the invaders. It is civilizational conflict.&#8221; Applauded when &#8220;resistance&#8221; states it.</p>
<p>Fanatic view, from Lebanon. And, &#8220;it makes sense&#8221; (to other fanatics only, not to the mature or responsible).</p>
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