Comments on: Is Goldstone the tipping point? http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/is-goldstone-the-tipping-point.html The War of Ideas in the Middle East Tue, 14 Feb 2012 01:07:19 +0000 hourly 1 By: Citizen http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/is-goldstone-the-tipping-point.html/comment-page-1#comment-115799 Citizen Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:42:28 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10020#comment-115799 Thanks, Shmuel, I was just about to go over there (and I am already really tired after a long day). Hope you and yours are ok over there in Italy. I'm about to make a quick check of my tomato and pepper plants and call it a day. Thanks, Shmuel, I was just about to go over there (and I am already really tired after a long day). Hope you and yours are ok over there in Italy. I’m about to make a quick check of my tomato and pepper plants and call it a day.

]]> By: GalenSword http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/is-goldstone-the-tipping-point.html/comment-page-1#comment-115750 GalenSword Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:24:58 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10020#comment-115750 While some Zionist thinkers tried to combine Marxism and ethnic fundamentalism, on the whole Zionist Ashkenazim and Marxist Ashkenazim have been hostile to one another even if there has been at times a great deal of transition from one group to the other. While some Zionist thinkers tried to combine Marxism and ethnic fundamentalism, on the whole Zionist Ashkenazim and Marxist Ashkenazim have been hostile to one another even if there has been at times a great deal of transition from one group to the other.

]]> By: GalenSword http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/is-goldstone-the-tipping-point.html/comment-page-1#comment-115749 GalenSword Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:22:27 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10020#comment-115749 Has Goldstone been interviewed recently? <a href="http://digg.com/political_opinion/Whither_After_Goldstone" rel="nofollow">Whither After Goldstone</a> discusses the problems with the Goldstone Report. Has Goldstone been interviewed recently?

Whither After Goldstone discusses the problems with the Goldstone Report.

]]> By: Shmuel http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/is-goldstone-the-tipping-point.html/comment-page-1#comment-115705 Shmuel Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:24:03 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10020#comment-115705 <blockquote>"Comments are no longer being accepted."</blockquote>

“Comments are no longer being accepted.”

]]> By: Dan Kelly http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/is-goldstone-the-tipping-point.html/comment-page-1#comment-115702 Dan Kelly Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:07:28 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10020#comment-115702 Mondoweiss regulars, please post your insightful comments on the I/P conflict and Israeli/Zionist history to the Roger Cohen op-ed comments section. The hasbara outweighs the truth at this point. http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/opinion/16iht-edcohen.html Mondoweiss regulars, please post your insightful comments on the I/P conflict and Israeli/Zionist history to the Roger Cohen op-ed comments section. The hasbara outweighs the truth at this point.

link to community.nytimes.com

]]> By: Shmuel http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/is-goldstone-the-tipping-point.html/comment-page-1#comment-115697 Shmuel Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:56:52 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10020#comment-115697 Goldstone, Israeli exceptionalism, Israeli nukes, Holocaust-manipulation, irrational and unjustifiable sabre-rattling on Iran - it's all in Roger Cohen's op-ed today: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/opinion/16iht-edcohen.html?_r=1 Someting is definitely a-tipping. Goldstone, Israeli exceptionalism, Israeli nukes, Holocaust-manipulation, irrational and unjustifiable sabre-rattling on Iran – it’s all in Roger Cohen’s op-ed today:

link to nytimes.com

Someting is definitely a-tipping.

]]> By: Citizen http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/is-goldstone-the-tipping-point.html/comment-page-1#comment-115689 Citizen Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:46:33 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10020#comment-115689 Taxi, I tend to agree with your assessment, although the Palestinian kids are still hoping to be doctors and scholars one day, even though the only paper they can get shreds to pieces at the slightest touch of an erasure in their little hands. Anyway, thanks to DICKERSON3870's link, here is the executive summary of the Goldstone fact-finding mission's report: http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/12session/A-HRC-12-48_ADVANCE1.pdf Taxi, I tend to agree with your assessment, although the Palestinian kids are still
hoping to be doctors and scholars one day, even though the only paper they can
get shreds to pieces at the slightest touch of an erasure in their little hands. Anyway,
thanks to DICKERSON3870′s link, here is the executive summary of the Goldstone
fact-finding mission’s report:
link to www2.ohchr.org

]]> By: Shmuel http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/is-goldstone-the-tipping-point.html/comment-page-1#comment-115688 Shmuel Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:39:02 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10020#comment-115688 Every abuse leads to a worse abuse. In this fashion we see Israel stooping lower and lower, no longer bothering even to explain and cover up things it used to at least be ashamed of. Gone are the days of assuring those who bother to ask, that "Israel takes such violations very seriously, and carefully investigates each and every case, punishing all individuals who break the law." It is the institutionalisation of evil, the application of the "laws of Sodom and Gomorrah". In the long run, this dropping of pretense may help defeat Zionism, from within as well as without. In the short run, it means more misery for Palestinians, many of whom (judging by past experience) will certainly defy this latest, draconian "law". Every abuse leads to a worse abuse. In this fashion we see Israel stooping lower and lower, no longer bothering even to explain and cover up things it used to at least be ashamed of. Gone are the days of assuring those who bother to ask, that “Israel takes such violations very seriously, and carefully investigates each and every case, punishing all individuals who break the law.” It is the institutionalisation of evil, the application of the “laws of Sodom and Gomorrah”. In the long run, this dropping of pretense may help defeat Zionism, from within as well as without. In the short run, it means more misery for Palestinians, many of whom (judging by past experience) will certainly defy this latest, draconian “law”.

]]> By: tree http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/is-goldstone-the-tipping-point.html/comment-page-1#comment-115682 tree Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:38:42 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10020#comment-115682 It's not just that there are "wildcat" colonies. Its that Jewish Israeli settlers are allowed to commit crimes against their Palestinian neighbors with absolutely no negative repercussions. So what has the IDF done to address the problem of settler lawlessness? Another Kafkaesque response. Read it and weep. <blockquote> News sources said on Thursday that the Israeli military have warned local farmers in northern West Bank that they will be charged with a 1,700 USD fine if they bring international activists to their lands. Farmers from village near Nablus told the Palestinian News Agency Maan that troops stooped(sic) them on Thursday morning while being escorted by international activists and informed them of the new law. Famers say that international activists presence allow s them to reach their lands near Israeli settlements. Since the start if the olive harvest season earlier this week military and settlers attacks on farmers are reported on daily bases. On Monday the military told farmers in the region that they are not allowed to host international activist in their homes. </blockquote> http://www.imemc2.org/index.php?story_id=56817&obj_id=53 It’s not just that there are “wildcat” colonies. Its that Jewish Israeli settlers are allowed to commit crimes against their Palestinian neighbors with absolutely no negative repercussions. So what has the IDF done to address the problem of settler lawlessness? Another Kafkaesque response. Read it and weep.

News sources said on Thursday that the Israeli military have warned local farmers in northern West Bank that they will be charged with a 1,700 USD fine if they bring international activists to their lands.

Farmers from village near Nablus told the Palestinian News Agency Maan that troops stooped(sic) them on Thursday morning while being escorted by international activists and informed them of the new law. Famers say that international activists presence allow s them to reach their lands near Israeli settlements.

Since the start if the olive harvest season earlier this week military and settlers attacks on farmers are reported on daily bases. On Monday the military told farmers in the region that they are not allowed to host international activist in their homes.

link to imemc2.org

]]> By: Taxi http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/is-goldstone-the-tipping-point.html/comment-page-1#comment-115676 Taxi Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:09:48 +0000 http://mondoweiss.net/?p=10020#comment-115676 The people of the region have stopped waiting on the PA, tel aviv, DC, UN, or Europe. All everyone ever talks about over there, both sides, is how only a big war can bring about peace. Even as I write this, more arms are being shipped in - for both sides. Truth is, there was never really any hope for a 'negotiated peace'. And truth is, we've been offering the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims 'peace deals' we would never accept ourselves. It's all and always been a sham. This promise of peace. People in the region don't feel that peace 'eludes' them - they don't believe 'real peace' was on offer in the first place. By now they are convinced that no less than NINE consecutive American Presidents have prejudiced them in the extreme. With so much astonishing 'benefit-of-the-doubt' laid out at Obama's feet by the mideasterns, they unfortunately and only nine months into his presidency, have already ceased to believe his well-intended words - they don't even see Obama's face anymore. They see Rahm Emanuel, the flanker and his cloak. The people of the region have stopped waiting on the PA, tel aviv, DC, UN, or Europe.

All everyone ever talks about over there, both sides, is how only a big war can bring about peace.

Even as I write this, more arms are being shipped in – for both sides.

Truth is, there was never really any hope for a ‘negotiated peace’. And truth is, we’ve been offering the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims ‘peace deals’ we would never accept ourselves. It’s all and always been a sham. This promise of peace.

People in the region don’t feel that peace ‘eludes’ them – they don’t believe ‘real peace’ was on offer in the first place. By now they are convinced that no less than NINE consecutive American Presidents have prejudiced them in the extreme.

With so much astonishing ‘benefit-of-the-doubt’ laid out at Obama’s feet by the mideasterns, they unfortunately and only nine months into his presidency, have already ceased to believe his well-intended words – they don’t even see Obama’s face anymore. They see Rahm Emanuel, the flanker and his cloak.

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